US/libya-benghazi-e-mails..the White house Knew

Godfather.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya- ... ?hpt=hp_t1
this linkfor Jeanwah

The emails provide some of the most detailed information yet about what officials knew in the initial hours after the attack. And it again raises questions about why U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, apparently based on intelligence assessments, would claim five days after the attack that it was a "spontaneous" reaction to protests over an anti-Islam film.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... z2ADbiVX8w


Godfather.

know1

We'll hear crickets from the blindly-follow-Obama-at-all-costs crowd on here.

Godfather.

know1 wrote:

We'll hear crickets from the blindly-follow-Obama-at-all-costs crowd on here.

Iam a union member (voting for Romney ) and I 've been talking to the other union guy's and asked if they voted according to union wishes or do they vote on their own political beliefs and when I asked if Romney was running on the domocratic ticket would you vote for him ?.... and they acted like I had shit on their union brotherhood and a few had the ball's to say yes I would if he ran on the dem ticket

:shock: this made me think...are all union members this ez to guide in the direction of union needs ?
I like our union and what it "REALLY" stands for which is fair pay and treatment but I wont be led around by my nose by some union guy who has the work ethic of a turd.

Godfather.

Zoso

not that I think it's a good thing but every administration knows a lot more about certain attacks like this then they let on to the public.

keeponrockin

I believe this was a massive fuck up.

know1

It's just a bump in the road.

acutejam

What if ... as is now being rumored ... there was something special about Benghazi that made it a special target? Say for instance, we were running an operation to find those Kadafi's caches of weapons and oh, putting them on a boat to insurgents in oh, let's say Syria?

I can't wrap my head around it yet, why would Al-Qaeda in Libya hit the CIA for arming Al-Qaeda in Syria? Well, beyond the fact that those local boys probably want those weapon caches for themselves.... or it's just in their nature to hand out black eyes as often as possible....

Would the incentive be greater to cover up the assasination of an American Ambassador if that ambassador was part of an operation to arm Al-Qaeda types? Ambassador Stevens was most definitely having meetings with Turkish, Qatari and Saudi folks in Benghazi -- the main players behind the Syrian insurgents.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
this linkfor Jeanwah

The emails provide some of the most detailed information yet about what officials knew in the initial hours after the attack. And it again raises questions about why U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, apparently based on intelligence assessments, would claim five days after the attack that it was a "spontaneous" reaction to protests over an anti-Islam film.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... z2ADbiVX8w
Godfather.

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Wait... so does all of this mean that all those Arabs WEREN'T freaking out about that Internet movie? Was that a dream I had... where a bunch of Arabs rioted because of some stupid movie? Are people saying that the Obama Administration knew in advance that this was going to happen?
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So... does this mean we can draw cartoons on Mohammed now... and not have a fucking Fatya declared on our asses?

whygohome

Was this situation handled as it should have been? No.

Am I surprised that a bunch of people in this thread all of a sudden have in-depth knowledge of all State Department issues, and all overseas activities, to the point where they would have announced the cause of this attack the next morning? Yes.

Do we all pounce on something that we have not researched in depth when it makes the person we are not voting for look bad in order to inflate our already Jupiter-sized egos? Yes.

Do we believe what cable news networks that reinforce our narrow-minded, uninformed opinions, misinformed ideologies, and internal prejudices, say to be the "Truth"? Yes.

Do we do this because it inflates our ego and tells us that "yup, you are right, you were right all along!" Yes.

Are we silly? Most of the time

acutejam

Is the assassination of a U.S. ambassador something we should gloss over?

Or should we only gloss over the feeble attempt at misleading the American people about it?

Is this any more imporant than a dog in a carrier lashed to the roof of a car, or a binder full of women?

whygohome

acutejam wrote:

Is the assassination of a U.S. ambassador something we should gloss over?

Did we do that? Did the administration gloss over someone's death? Or did the media interpret it that way?

acutejam wrote:

Or should we only gloss over the feeble attempt at misleading the American people about it?

Is this what happened? The administration wanted to "mislead" the American public, or the administration had very poor internal communication?

acutejam wrote:

Is this any more imporant than a dog in a carrier lashed to the roof of a car, or a binder full of women?

Silly.

We receive secondhand information pumped out by biased propaganda outlets. We believe what we want to believe, we believe what falls in line with our already made up minds.

acutejam

whygohome wrote:

acutejam wrote:

Is the assassination of a U.S. ambassador something we should gloss over?

Did we do that? Did the administration gloss over someone's death? Or did the media interpret it that way?

acutejam wrote:

Or should we only gloss over the feeble attempt at misleading the American people about it?

Is this what happened? The administration wanted to "mislead" the American public, or the administration had very poor internal communication?

acutejam wrote:

Is this any more imporant than a dog in a carrier lashed to the roof of a car, or a binder full of women?

Silly.

We receive secondhand information pumped out by biased propaganda outlets. We believe what we want to believe, we believe what falls in line with our already made up minds.

I get where you're coming from, I do. There is definitely a "fog of war" surrounding preconceptions here. The death of our ambassador has not been glossed over, nor should it. But there is certainly an element of "move on", and I'll conceed, that's the media. In the words of our Vice Prez, "This is a big f'n deal..."

As for the Administration's intentionally misleading the American public, I believe evidence is building to support that conclusion. "Poor internal communications..." A handy excuse at best, but no, I can't buy that from the most measured and savvy communicators in the world. "Did not articulate well..." sure. "Misspoke." Ok that happens. This was something entirely different -- a "well" coordinated campaign.

whygohome

acutejam wrote:

I get where you're coming from, I do. There is definitely a "fog of war" surrounding preconceptions here. The death of our ambassador has not been glossed over, nor should it. But there is certainly an element of "move on", and I'll conceed, that's the media. In the words of our Vice Prez, "This is a big f'n deal..."

As for the Administration's intentionally misleading the American public, I believe evidence is building to support that conclusion. "Poor internal communications..." A handy excuse at best, but no, I can't buy that from the most measured and savvy communicators in the world. "Did not articulate well..." sure. "Misspoke." Ok that happens. This was something entirely different -- a "well" coordinated campaign.

Okay.

Bronx Bombers

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the US Consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by US officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the US Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the annex.

The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by US Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive.

Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/internationa ... h1xjhzte7L

SolarWorld

You think what is put on CNN is the real story? Or any other MSM channel?



P.S. leon panetta says STFU and come back when you know what you are talking about... :roll:

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
this linkfor Jeanwah

The emails provide some of the most detailed information yet about what officials knew in the initial hours after the attack. And it again raises questions about why U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, apparently based on intelligence assessments, would claim five days after the attack that it was a "spontaneous" reaction to protests over an anti-Islam film.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... z2ADbiVX8w
Godfather.

...
Wait... so does all of this mean that all those Arabs WEREN'T freaking out about that Internet movie? Was that a dream I had... where a bunch of Arabs rioted because of some stupid movie? Are people saying that the Obama Administration knew in advance that this was going to happen?
...
So... does this mean we can draw cartoons on Mohammed now... and not have a fucking Fatya declared on our asses?

don't know man ? but it does point to someone trying desperatly to cover their ass's over this mess.

Godfather.

SolarWorld

Godfather. wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
this linkfor Jeanwah

The emails provide some of the most detailed information yet about what officials knew in the initial hours after the attack. And it again raises questions about why U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, apparently based on intelligence assessments, would claim five days after the attack that it was a "spontaneous" reaction to protests over an anti-Islam film.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... z2ADbiVX8w
Godfather.

...
Wait... so does all of this mean that all those Arabs WEREN'T freaking out about that Internet movie? Was that a dream I had... where a bunch of Arabs rioted because of some stupid movie? Are people saying that the Obama Administration knew in advance that this was going to happen?
...
So... does this mean we can draw cartoons on Mohammed now... and not have a fucking Fatya declared on our asses?

don't know man ? but it does point to someone trying desperatly to cover their ass's over this mess.

Godfather.

Really? Show me the evidence and not conjecture.... Who is coming up what? You have no idea what happened there.

SolarWorld

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/26 ... -nonsense/

SolarWorld

And.... this....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/22 ... -it-right/

Any Republican trying to make this a political issue should be ashamed of themselves....

badbrains

What's with sept 11 and history? Seems a lot of shit happens on that day.... :corn:

fear4freedom

keeponrockin wrote:

I believe this was a massive fuck up.

WOW are you criticizing Obama here? Did you actually call him out? Thats great when people have conviction and backbone!