The Definition of a TROLL
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The definition of a TROLL!!!!!
I am not copying and pasting here....this is just how I see it. I have done no research on this either....so if you have...you surely should add a nice thought or two here for everyone to read.
Trolling is done for various purposes and reasons. In the blogo-sphere arena we have many platforms in which discussions, conversations, arguments, debates, posting are done. We all know too well that there are tactics involved in how to change the topics, meanings and contexts of those messages.
People who have an agenda to change the topic, the meaning, the context of the posting are considered trolls. Trolling is in response, usually to a post, in which "the troller" disagrees. They will do anything to de-construct the original meaning and content of the post. They will post many responses in order to "bully" their way to change the context or original meaning. In the process, they limit the full potential from other people to join in. This process keeps others from joining in and enjoying it. The result leads to people walking away from it altogether. It also stifles any learning that may come from it.
Sometimes "the troller" wont even know they are "trolling" as they are blind to their own actions and words. This form of bullying is many times not fully understood from those who practice it. Many times they will use forceful words, foul language and certain tactics to change the conversation's meaning and full potential of what it could have led to. If they change the course of the conversation to their favor, they believe that they win. If they dont know they are doing it, they are ignorant, inept and selfish.
Usually this tactic comes with personality and attitude. One who cannot read anothers opinion without responding or getting angry, is lacking empathy! They should be able to understand others opinions!
Trolling is when someone surfs blogs, posts, sites and seeks out opportunites to implement thier ideology, opinions and tactics whenever they can. They will use multiple names, accts, etc. to remain anonymous in some situations.
A Troll will find an event for opportunities, such as atteding a political event that contains %80 or more from one side. A troll usually finds an arena in which they are outnumbered by a very large margin. They consider this "ideal territory" to have a big influence. A good example of this might be when a liberal person attends a Tea Party and tries to make a video that depicts someone doing something bad or mean. The influence of that video can be a powerful thing. Another example could be when a conservative person finds a liberal blog on the internet and RESPONDS to all the posts on there in a way that is aggressive, antagonistic and dishonest. The purpose is to anger the members on the site, just as the purpose of the liberals video is to mislead and anger the opposition.
Question is.....is AMT a "liberal blog site", or is it a place for both sides to be equally heard? If its supposed to be equal, then the only trolling done here would be that of one who "sabatoges" posts with multiple responses. If AMT is non-partisan, then no one side owns this page! If AMT is non-partisan, then we all should be able to post according to the rules without being persecuted by management or sabatoged by other members. We should also be able to post anything, within the guidelines, from any site out there! Its up to us as individuals to do our homework and find the truth. Who's to say that their sites and resources are the truthful ones? Who makes that determination? You do! So from here on out, there should be no favorites played by anyone from all sides.
So the only one Trolling around here should be KAT to investigate you....in a fair way for both sides!
You can read a post you disagree with and not respond.....you can take some time to think about it and have empathy for others. You can also take some time and thank the other side, as it has taken both sides together, to build this great nation!
I am not copying and pasting here....this is just how I see it. I have done no research on this either....so if you have...you surely should add a nice thought or two here for everyone to read.
Trolling is done for various purposes and reasons. In the blogo-sphere arena we have many platforms in which discussions, conversations, arguments, debates, posting are done. We all know too well that there are tactics involved in how to change the topics, meanings and contexts of those messages.
People who have an agenda to change the topic, the meaning, the context of the posting are considered trolls. Trolling is in response, usually to a post, in which "the troller" disagrees. They will do anything to de-construct the original meaning and content of the post. They will post many responses in order to "bully" their way to change the context or original meaning. In the process, they limit the full potential from other people to join in. This process keeps others from joining in and enjoying it. The result leads to people walking away from it altogether. It also stifles any learning that may come from it.
Sometimes "the troller" wont even know they are "trolling" as they are blind to their own actions and words. This form of bullying is many times not fully understood from those who practice it. Many times they will use forceful words, foul language and certain tactics to change the conversation's meaning and full potential of what it could have led to. If they change the course of the conversation to their favor, they believe that they win. If they dont know they are doing it, they are ignorant, inept and selfish.
Usually this tactic comes with personality and attitude. One who cannot read anothers opinion without responding or getting angry, is lacking empathy! They should be able to understand others opinions!
Trolling is when someone surfs blogs, posts, sites and seeks out opportunites to implement thier ideology, opinions and tactics whenever they can. They will use multiple names, accts, etc. to remain anonymous in some situations.
A Troll will find an event for opportunities, such as atteding a political event that contains %80 or more from one side. A troll usually finds an arena in which they are outnumbered by a very large margin. They consider this "ideal territory" to have a big influence. A good example of this might be when a liberal person attends a Tea Party and tries to make a video that depicts someone doing something bad or mean. The influence of that video can be a powerful thing. Another example could be when a conservative person finds a liberal blog on the internet and RESPONDS to all the posts on there in a way that is aggressive, antagonistic and dishonest. The purpose is to anger the members on the site, just as the purpose of the liberals video is to mislead and anger the opposition.
Question is.....is AMT a "liberal blog site", or is it a place for both sides to be equally heard? If its supposed to be equal, then the only trolling done here would be that of one who "sabatoges" posts with multiple responses. If AMT is non-partisan, then no one side owns this page! If AMT is non-partisan, then we all should be able to post according to the rules without being persecuted by management or sabatoged by other members. We should also be able to post anything, within the guidelines, from any site out there! Its up to us as individuals to do our homework and find the truth. Who's to say that their sites and resources are the truthful ones? Who makes that determination? You do! So from here on out, there should be no favorites played by anyone from all sides.
So the only one Trolling around here should be KAT to investigate you....in a fair way for both sides!
You can read a post you disagree with and not respond.....you can take some time to think about it and have empathy for others. You can also take some time and thank the other side, as it has taken both sides together, to build this great nation!
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A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
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I don't really see many "trolls" on here. While there are quite a few threads that end in chaos and veer totally off topic, I think that's more due to communication issues and styles than "trolling." I say that because I haven't seen anyone consistently seek out and thwart threads that differ from their own views; maybe I just haven't been on here long enough. I do see people post fairly consistent views from thread to thread; this is a good thing.
In terms of threads veering off topic and devolving into nonsense, I think this happens for a few reasons. One reason is topic overload. When you have numerous threads on the same page that are basically focused on the same issue with slightly different headlines, well....people are going to have trouble maintaining that focus. As human beings we have limited attention spans and we need uniqueness to maintain focus. So if your topic isn't unique, there's an increased chance this will happen.
The more important issue I think is the tone of the original post. I think of this as kind of the introductory paragraph to an essay, or thread in this case. If the post is well thought out and lends some direction to the discussion, and if the OP shows some investment to the topic by staying involved in the discussion, I think the thread is more likely to stay focused. Sometimes threads have a fairly provocative opening post, with little guidance for discussion, and then the OP all but disappears, or doesn't engage in dialogue with other posters, but may post an occasional monologue throughout. This feels like "thread bombing" to me. I think these are the threads that devolve. If it's a serious topic to the OP, then a serious tone to the original post will help maintain that tone throughout the thread.
I also think if we label people as "blue", "red," or say people have their "pom poms out", etc. etc people are going to naturally become more defensive and be a lot less likely to hear what you have to say or to take it seriously.
The way we communicate is going to impact the way people communicate with us.
Ultimately this is a political forum on a band's message board. That's not to say that we shouldn't discuss serious topics with a serious tone, but sometimes it helps to remember what originally brought us all here.
And hey - I am prone to getting easily distracted as well. Life is serious, the pit is my escape...chaos will sometimes ensue. I welcome a PM with a gentle nudge alerting me that I need to get back on track or if you believe I have been disrespectful to you. We're all big boys and girls on here...we can work through communication issues like adults and without name calling.
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Meh. I've been out since 1988.
Is there a troll pride parade? What do I wear to something like that?
a pandora's box.
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I think you are right on with this response. It seems pointless to respond to some threads because some ideas seem destined to chaos from the very first post. I would love to see more serious posts where we can actually engage with others about some real issues.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Trolling aside - or even as part of the mix? - there's no need to engage or stoop to those levels, yet some do with the same snarkiness, sense of anger, righteousness. But in the process, they lose the right to shout "troll!" at another.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Same for meanspiritedness, whether by a "troll" or one who responds in kind...?
Well, there's no arguing those points. Well said. (I resist the urge to use humor and irony.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
like in billy goat gruff
but people use it based on whether they like the person, know the person or agree with
with the person meaning those aren't the trolls
It is childish and very "clique"-y to the point of nauseum
OP your last paragraph....
spot on! :thumbup:
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Ah, and if it's just a game then that is more like trolling and, like you say, unlikely to be heard.
Also, we'd all- me included- do well to remember the posting guidelines here.
And f4f, I don't mean to be offensive in my criticism, but seriously, what is your point here?
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no kidding.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Hey we see many cartoons they are great trolling tools,
often just appear with little said, meant to aggravate and insult another group of people,
sometimes with humor.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
We know why you follow me around ... why is that again?
BinFrog shows up to just dis my posts adds nothing to a thread.
Hmmm can we say troll?
Really it comes down to whether you like a person or not.
Taking sides against they are a troll
taking sides for they are amusing
it's a popularity contest and like the OP said this is a very left leaning group here ...
but we're working on it
I didnt see where this thread was heading...
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Exactly! I haven't been around as long as some of you but I have already figured out the trolls even though they are usually the ones denying it over and over again. Since we all seem to recognize, and agree in many instances, then we should take their power away and stop responding, AT ALL, to any thread they start or participate in. Then maybe they would go troll elsewhere and we could engage in a real debate and discussion rather than continuing to respond and report each other for offensive nonsense.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
We love you too.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Again, IF it is OK I agree...
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