Romney is out of touch...
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no health insurance means a ok for romney.. out of touch much!
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who has pledged to repeal Obamacare, says that people without health insurance don't have to worry about dying as a result.
"We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance," Romney said in an interview with the Columbus Dispatch's editorial board on Wednesday.
While it's difficult to tell how many people die each year from lack of health insurance, one study, from a health care advocacy group, puts the number at 26,000 deaths per year.
"We don't have a setting across this country where if you don’t have insurance, we just say to you, 'Tough luck, you're going to die when you have your heart attack,'" he added in the interview. "No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital."
Romney took a similar stance in an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" in late September, when he said: "We do provide care for people who don't have insurance. If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care."
Roughly 4 in 25 Americans, or nearly 49 million Americans, had no health insurance last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Repealing Obamacare would deny access to health insurance to about 30 million uninsured Americans who would have received it under health care reform.
Letting so many people go uninsured ultimately can cost both individuals and society. When people lack health insurance, their health worsens, and their health treatments become more expensive, research has found. People without health insurance also are in danger of facing massive medical bills, debt, and bankruptcy if they get sick or injured.
On top of that, society at large sometimes must pay for the uninsured through higher taxes and health care costs. The government often helps pay for unpaid emergency room bills. States and cities that run hospitals lose money when hospital bills go unpaid. And economists have found that hospitals sometimes charge higher prices for health care, and health insurance companies sometimes charge higher premiums, because the uninsured often are unable to pay for
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who has pledged to repeal Obamacare, says that people without health insurance don't have to worry about dying as a result.
"We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance," Romney said in an interview with the Columbus Dispatch's editorial board on Wednesday.
While it's difficult to tell how many people die each year from lack of health insurance, one study, from a health care advocacy group, puts the number at 26,000 deaths per year.
"We don't have a setting across this country where if you don’t have insurance, we just say to you, 'Tough luck, you're going to die when you have your heart attack,'" he added in the interview. "No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital."
Romney took a similar stance in an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" in late September, when he said: "We do provide care for people who don't have insurance. If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care."
Roughly 4 in 25 Americans, or nearly 49 million Americans, had no health insurance last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Repealing Obamacare would deny access to health insurance to about 30 million uninsured Americans who would have received it under health care reform.
Letting so many people go uninsured ultimately can cost both individuals and society. When people lack health insurance, their health worsens, and their health treatments become more expensive, research has found. People without health insurance also are in danger of facing massive medical bills, debt, and bankruptcy if they get sick or injured.
On top of that, society at large sometimes must pay for the uninsured through higher taxes and health care costs. The government often helps pay for unpaid emergency room bills. States and cities that run hospitals lose money when hospital bills go unpaid. And economists have found that hospitals sometimes charge higher prices for health care, and health insurance companies sometimes charge higher premiums, because the uninsured often are unable to pay for
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Godfather.
How is he not going to be out of touch? He's never swiped a credit card and wondered if it would be rejected.
my brother ryan died because his health insurance and prescription drug insurance cancelled him whilst he was dealing with transplanted organ failure. 9 days without anti organ rejection medicine killed my brother ryan.
where was mitt the hero multi-millionaire with all the solutions?
my brother ryan was taking some meds that were up to something like $900 a month for just one type of medication. good people those folks at big business pharmaceutical companies in bed with d.c. assholes and the like. fucking scam artists
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
sorry to hear about your bro.
Godfather.
go get em, mitt romney! you frickin tool of a guy... woot!
he is so out of touch with the real world he makes a total fucking ass out of himself on a constant
he is extremely wealthy, how the fuck could he possibly know anything about not being capable of paying one's medical bills?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
wow man so sorry to hear that.. kinda personalizes the whole ideology GOP vs. democrat
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Sorry to hear about your brother Chadwick. I understand your angst towards politicians such as Mitt Romney. My episode with my health insurance company gave me permission to cover my knee surgery but after the surgery denied me coverage. They came up with the idea that I must have had a pre-existing condition of torn cartilage in order to be having my cartilage removed. However, they gave the ok to go ahead with the surgery and this is after paying the $300-$330 a month for health insurance for myself.
I fought them over this $5500. surgery and after a year they dropped it down to $1200. So the health insurers ARE SCAM artists...they find ways NOT to cover you....it's sort of part of their job if they can and many they DO get away with this CRIME!
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I would call that price gouging.
So I'll just say that one of the things that bothered me so much about the "they don't die in their apartment" line wasn't that he showed just how little he knows (or cares) about health insurance and the entire medical industry, but the "apartment" jab.
He didn't say "their home" because that would be what a human lives in. And "an apartment" is more like a nest or a den. Something one of the help lives in. To him.. a poor person lives in "an apartment." And it conjures up an image of a dingy one-room bedsit in movies that he's seen. It's where those people who "feel they're entitled to food" live.
I know that many Republicans are good people and don't support that kind of attitude... that the poor people are all lazy moochers and if they get sick, that "emergency room" will look after them.
Mitt Romney has watched episodes of ER and nobody ever hauls out a credit card or writes a check on that show. And if they can't be saved, it wasn't because they were too poor to get treatment, it was because the doctors had to learn a lesson about how sometimes people die even if you're the best doctor ever. And that's where that "let them eat cake" attitude comes from. It's the same attitude that caused his wife to refer to the media and the people of the country as "you people" and not understand why it was such a rude thing to say.
The idea that there's always help for the poor people... the money just magically appears and everything is just fine. It doesn't work like that.
Obamacare isn't perfect but it's the best step in the right direction that we've had so far. And the very notion that there are people grumbling about it just baffles me.
I know that I was in a motorcycle accident a few years ago and although I was paying for the top-of-the-line-Mac-Daddy health insurance PPO, I still ended up paying thousands of dollars for pointless procedures that the doctors said I needed. My surgeon sent me to his friend an orthopedist, who sent me to his friends at a physical therapy clinic where I paid $50 per session, three sessions per week for 8 weeks so they could give me some minor electro-stim and then fill out the rest of the hour by making me play with rubber bands. And that was my co-pay.
It's all a big scam and Obamacare is the first.. tiny... thin edge of the wedge.
A tragic story, Chadwick. Very sorry to hear this. This sort of thing should never happen. Never.
Overbilling is such a huge problem, but I don't think I've ever heard a politician speak to it.
There is a grain of truth to what he's saying, but the defeatists just throw up their hands and can't imagine a life without government babysitting.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
terrible story here recently for a man experiencing that notorious coding/billing
error fiascos.
He did everything he should from start to finish and still receives a $35,000 bill
because the Doctors office coded it wrong.
Then over a year later it is too late to file a claim with the insurance company
and the bill falls upon him. :wtf:
I agree. Insurance truly is a big "racket".
The thing about our government that makes me the maddest is that its current solution to the health care "crisis" is to push us toward an even greater reliance on insurance. Either they are somehow too stupid to see that insurance is what got us in this situation or they are so corrupt that they're funneling money to the insurance companies and bureaucracy. Sadly, I think it's the latter, but neither option is very good.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
"I'll set your business on fire, break your legs unless
you give me money for protection."
I learned that in Godfather II
organized crime and now our insurance companies are just that
criminal and powerful and yes backed by the government.
I do not see Obamacare as the answer. It is too forced and too much like
just a new tax. It is people who will suffer, just different people.
I would rather see money going directly to hospitals. And also
see hospitals not being greedy ... got to pay for that new machine.
They negotiate massively with insurance companies then
bill a private patient sky high :wtf:
There is much unnecessary going on. There are those who truly need care
then there are those who just think they do and many are willing
to make money off of that.
The human body was meant to suffer...
sometimes that is the answer. To suffer does not mean life will be any shorter
nor of less quality. It just means one is humbled and one learns to appreciate
life for what it is ... precious.
This is unbelievable really. There have been cuts on health care because of the financial crisis here, but a situation like that is just unimaginable, and incredibly saddening.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Well I hope when your child born with cancer a bowel disease screams in pain at night, you make sure to tell him that he's lucky to be "humbled" by the lesson that life is precious.
There are no other words.
None.
I totally agree, he IS out of touch.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Oh wait I know why...
this is the sentence you needed to read before you wrote your 'thought'
Well then Obamacare is perfect.
See.. as it is now... if someone refuses to get insurance but feels sick or wants to see a doctor... they just go to the emergency room, fall down and groan. The Hospital HAS to care for them. Who pays for that?
Well.. you and I do. With higher healthcare costs, higher taxes AND with our time if that happens when WE are in the hospital for legitimate reasons and don't put on a big show. I think you'd agree that we shouldn't have to resort to theater sports to see a doctor.
Had these people been made to pay their own way... our hospital costs would be lower since we wouldn't have to shell out for their care, our taxes would be lower, since we wouldn't have to shell out for their care, and they wouldn't be wasting people's time by making an appointment to go see a doctor, go to a walk-in clinic.
What about the people who can't afford even a bottom-rung healthcare plan? Well... we help them out. Like we already do anyway. So there's no extra cost involved.
You see? Obamacare just caved Christmas!
As we've seen in his four years of being president... he doesn't ram things through. The best changes happen slowly and this was a big step - but still a step - in the right direction.
I don't think even Obama himself thinks it's perfect
That would be a great idea.
As a sub-topic, we could also discuss how asinine it is for the government to propose to fix the problem by mandating an even greater reliance on health insurance.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.