Iraqi authorities execute 11 more inmates

Godfather.

(CNN) -- Iraqi authorities executed 11 prisoners on Sunday after they were convicted of terrorism, Iraq's Ministry of Justice said in a statement.

"They had carried out killings and explosions against Iraqi people," the ministry said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/07/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t3

some countries don't mess around...I don't think they spent too much money on legal fee's.

Godfather.

badbrains

Oh man, you must be super excited with this news!!! More muslims getting killed!! :fp:

lukin2006

badbrains wrote:

Oh man, you must be super excited with this news!!! More muslims getting killed!! :fp:

How do you know they are Muslim? The article does not indicate they are Muslim.

badbrains

lukin2006 wrote:

badbrains wrote:

Oh man, you must be super excited with this news!!! More muslims getting killed!! :fp:

How do you know they are Muslim? The article does not indicate they are Muslim.

Really??? Come on bro, you must be kidding right?

lukin2006

badbrains wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

badbrains wrote:

Oh man, you must be super excited with this news!!! More muslims getting killed!! :fp:

How do you know they are Muslim? The article does not indicate they are Muslim.

Really??? Come on bro, you must be kidding right?

No actually I'm not. How do you know?

badbrains

Because if they were Americans or Christians it would be ALL OVER THE FUCKEN NEWS!!!! We'd be bombarded with it on EVERY CHANNEL. Don't you remember what happened to the blackwater "contractors" in Fallujah??? Come on bro, please tell me your fucking with me and playing dumb. Like you don't understand media, or the propaganda machine. They'd LOVE for it to be Americans or Christians, BELIEVE me.

Godfather.

badbrains wrote:

Oh man, you must be super excited with this news!!! More muslims getting killed!! :fp:

maaaan you have a habbit of over reacting to my posts, it has nothing to do with muslims and if it was it sounds like it would have been muslims killing muslims all the way around...but everybody in the middle east is not muslim..right ? I believe there are Christians, Catholics,Buddist but your comment makes a good point for me..soon as they start talking about people plowing up and killing one another in the middle east you automaticly assume they are muslim,why do you think thast is ?

Godfather.

Cosmo

Question: How come Iraqi Justice of killing those whom undermine the authority of the Iraqi government is okay today... but, under Saddam Hussein, we were up in arms to go over there and kill them?
I mean, there were Shi'ite and Kurdish insurgents working to overthrow the Hussein regime by violence who were dealt with swiftly... why weren't we cheering back then?

fear4freedom

Cosmo wrote:

Question: How come Iraqi Justice of killing those whom undermine the authority of the Iraqi government is okay today... but, under Saddam Hussein, we were up in arms to go over there and kill them?
I mean, there were Shi'ite and Kurdish insurgents working to overthrow the Hussein regime by violence who were dealt with swiftly... why weren't we cheering back then?

because under Saddam it was the govt that were the terrorists and killing innocents, now the govt. petitioned to do the justice TO the terrorists! GOT IT?

Byrnzie

fear4freedom wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Question: How come Iraqi Justice of killing those whom undermine the authority of the Iraqi government is okay today... but, under Saddam Hussein, we were up in arms to go over there and kill them?
I mean, there were Shi'ite and Kurdish insurgents working to overthrow the Hussein regime by violence who were dealt with swiftly... why weren't we cheering back then?

because under Saddam it was the govt that were the terrorists and killing innocents, now the govt. petitioned to do the justice TO the terrorists! GOT IT?

So when Saddam was in power these people weren't terrorists, they were freedom fighters, but now that Saddam is gone they are terrorists?

Interesting logic you have there my friend.

Cosmo

fear4freedom wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Question: How come Iraqi Justice of killing those whom undermine the authority of the Iraqi government is okay today... but, under Saddam Hussein, we were up in arms to go over there and kill them?
I mean, there were Shi'ite and Kurdish insurgents working to overthrow the Hussein regime by violence who were dealt with swiftly... why weren't we cheering back then?

because under Saddam it was the govt that were the terrorists and killing innocents, now the govt. petitioned to do the justice TO the terrorists! GOT IT?

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Tell you what... get back to me after the Iranian influence in Iraq has kicked in and the Shi'ites of Muqtada Al Sadr run the show.

MotoDC

Cosmo wrote:

Question: How come Iraqi Justice of killing those whom undermine the authority of the Iraqi government is okay today... but, under Saddam Hussein, we were up in arms to go over there and kill them?
I mean, there were Shi'ite and Kurdish insurgents working to overthrow the Hussein regime by violence who were dealt with swiftly... why weren't we cheering back then?

It's an interesting moral question that plays on the gray area that exists in the real-life difference between the "bad guys" and the "good guys" and how we all define that differently. For example, is the state (any state, the US included) justified in using deadly force internally to "keep the peace" or maintain stability? Perhaps, for example, you feel that a given state power is an unjust mechanism and decide to overthrow that unjust mechanism (hi, American Revolution, how ya doin'). Was Samuel Adams a terrorist? Ol' King George probably thought so, but to most Americans he's a hero. I'm sure that these Iraqi insurgents see themselves in a similar light (though of course not specifically in reference to Samuel Adams). Perspective is a helluva thing.

It's made more complicated in this particular instance because, to even begin the discussion, we have to assume that the trials were fair and that the executed prisoners did in fact kill their countrymen via IEDs and etc.

That said, I don't think it's fair to characterize "carrying out killings and explosions against the Iraqi people" as simply "undermin[ing] the authority of the Iraqi government". Nor were Saddam's atrocities against his own people the only reason some folks were pushing for a war in Iraq. And finally, by most measures, the manner in which Saddam dealt with Kurdish unrest was a far sight worse (if memory serves, gassing 1000's?) than how the current Iraqi gov't is dealing with these "terrorists", even if it is still not satisfactory to some.

Jason P

We are talking about a country that has issued a death warrant .... for their Vice President.

:fp:

Peachy

Cosmo

MotoDC wrote:

It's an interesting moral question that plays on the gray area that exists in the real-life difference between the "bad guys" and the "good guys" and how we all define that differently. For example, is the state (any state, the US included) justified in using deadly force internally to "keep the peace" or maintain stability? Perhaps, for example, you feel that a given state power is an unjust mechanism and decide to overthrow that unjust mechanism (hi, American Revolution, how ya doin'). Was Samuel Adams a terrorist? Ol' King George probably thought so, but to most Americans he's a hero. I'm sure that these Iraqi insurgents see themselves in a similar light (though of course not specifically in reference to Samuel Adams). Perspective is a helluva thing.

It's made more complicated in this particular instance because, to even begin the discussion, we have to assume that the trials were fair and that the executed prisoners did in fact kill their countrymen via IEDs and etc.

That said, I don't think it's fair to characterize "carrying out killings and explosions against the Iraqi people" as simply "undermin[ing] the authority of the Iraqi government". Nor were Saddam's atrocities against his own people the only reason some folks were pushing for a war in Iraq. And finally, by most measures, the manner in which Saddam dealt with Kurdish unrest was a far sight worse (if memory serves, gassing 1000's?) than how the current Iraqi gov't is dealing with these "terrorists", even if it is still not satisfactory to some.

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Thanx. That was the main point of my comments... perspective. George Washington lead a rebellion against the established form of government... and would have been executed, had the war gone the other way. Now, before my FOX News watching friends jump on that statement... I am NOT comparing Washington to Saddam Hussein. Just pointing out that the perspective of each leader is different, depending on where your sit.
In Iraq, the Shi'ite majority is now in power. What makes them, crushing a rebellion by Sunnis, different from Saddam's Sunni minority crushing the Shi'ite and Kurdish rebels in the past?

MotoDC

Cosmo wrote:

In Iraq, the Shi'ite majority is now in power. What makes them, crushing a rebellion by Sunnis, different from Saddam's Sunni minority crushing the Shi'ite and Kurdish rebels in the past?

Based on this article, the difference are the trials and the fact that it's not a military oppression of the Sunnis. That said, I'm sure it actually is military oppression in some cases -- this article just doesn't address it. So who knows. At least the Shi'ites aren't using chemical WMDs. That's a start.

Cosmo

MotoDC wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

In Iraq, the Shi'ite majority is now in power. What makes them, crushing a rebellion by Sunnis, different from Saddam's Sunni minority crushing the Shi'ite and Kurdish rebels in the past?

Based on this article, the difference are the trials and the fact that it's not a military oppression of the Sunnis. That said, I'm sure it actually is military oppression in some cases -- this article just doesn't address it. So who knows. At least the Shi'ites aren't using chemical WMDs. That's a start.

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Agreed. I'm glad they don't HAVE chemical weapons, too... because, in my personal opinion, they would eventually find some reason to use them.
Point being... whoever is in charge over there... someone's gonna get a major ass kicking. I just cannot envision a merciful Shi'ite power who had been brutalized by the minority Sunni taskmasters for almost 5 decades. Somehow... they just don't strike me as a 'Let bygones be bygones' kind of folk.
But, that's probably just me.