Obamacare Summed up in One Sentence

EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
edited October 2012 in A Moving Train
"Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence"
From a video posted on YouTube that shows Dr. Barbara Bellar speaking at a Women for Romney/Ryan rally last month:

"So let me get this straight. This is a long sentence.

We are going to be gifted with a health care plan that we are forced to purchase, and fined if we don't, which reportedly covers 10 million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman doesn't understand it, passed by Congress, that didn't read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that is broke.

So what the blank could possibly go wrong?"


:lol::lol::lol: Dr. Bellar - Nun, Army Reservist Major, Doctor, Professor, Lawyer
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    she'd totally have way more credibility if she wasn't stumping for romney ...
  • polaris_x wrote:
    she'd totally have way more credibility if she wasn't stumping for romney ...

    She's not stumping. She's campaigning for office in Illinois.

    And she's right. And you know it. But you can't say what's right. Because politics trumps truth.

    Our nation's problem in a nutshell.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    1. It actually does have provisions to help increase the number of primary care providers.
    2. Its benefits are already taking effect.
    3. The personal fitness of individual people is completely irrelevent to whether or not a system is good for a population.

    (4. Too bad it doesn't also require people to learn how to write proper sentences.)
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    _ wrote:
    1. It actually does have provisions to help increase the number of primary care providers.
    2. Its benefits are already taking effect.
    3. The personal fitness of individual people is completely irrelevent to whether or not a system is good for a population.

    (4. Too bad it doesn't also require people to learn how to write proper sentences.)


    3+4. The personal sentence structuring skills of individual people is completely irrelevant to whether or not they have a good point.

    Just having some fun. ;)
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    That's complete drivel. It's a bunch of jabs with no substance, lacking any purpose whatsoever.

    The only people who will find that "sentence" interesting/intellectual are those who base their political stances on catch phrases.
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    The plan itself doesn't add new doctors, because remember, it isn't socialized medicine. The hospitals themselves will be the ones to add new doctors based upon need... Guess what? The market will take care of the additional health care jobs needed. http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/06/28 ... re-ruling/


    This picture tells you everything you need to know about Dr. Barbara Bellar:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/1137191087 ... 8431221938
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    kenny olav wrote:
    This picture tells you everything you need to know about Dr. Barbara Bellar:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/1137191087 ... 8431221938

    She likes hot ladies????

    Ah, what I wouldn't give to be able to wake up one morning, roll over, and see Russia.
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I've never really thought Sarah Palin is hot. My political crush is Kirsten Gillibrand.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Obamacare Summed Up in One Intelligent Article written by J.D. Kleinke, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative leaning, yes conservative, think tank.

    The Conservative Case for Obamacare

    www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sund ... d=all&_r=0
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    kenny olav wrote:
    The plan itself doesn't add new doctors, because remember

    Do you need to add more doctors though? I mean for example it takes a lot less effort on a doctors part to give someone an exam and prescribe them medication to lower their blood pressure than it does to do an emergency bypass operation (along with all the post-op care) on someone who is having a heart attack. I am not sure how the new US health system works (because if doesn't affect me) but it is pretty simple to see how the more people who have access to preventative medicine, the less money and time you spend dealing with big problems. It is the same way as if you spend $40 and half an hour every 6 months or whatever your manual says getting an oil change, you significantly cut down the odds that your car will need major repairs.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    whygohome wrote:
    Obamacare Summed Up in One Intelligent Article written by J.D. Kleinke, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative leaning, yes conservative, think tank.

    The Conservative Case for Obamacare

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opini ... d=all&_r=0

    I've never understood why the republicans are so against the mandate portion. I woulda thought that would have come from the left.

    Good article, thanks.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • BinFrog wrote:
    That's complete drivel. It's a bunch of jabs with no substance, lacking any purpose whatsoever.

    The only people who will find that "sentence" interesting/intellectual are those who base their political stances on catch phrases.




    Yes We Can.

    :lol:

    Forward!

    :lol:
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    The sad truth about this thread... it sums up the politics of America today. We get our information and form political opinions from little tiny biased sound bites, instead of arming ourselves with the truth and facts by looking into the issue.
    Journalism has become all but extinct in America and has allowed critical thought to give way to 20 second blurbs on television on a single paragraph on a computer screen.
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  • whygohome wrote:
    Obamacare Summed Up in One Intelligent Article written by J.D. Kleinke, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative leaning, yes conservative, think tank.

    The Conservative Case for Obamacare

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opini ... d=all&_r=0

    I've never understood why the republicans are so against the mandate portion. I woulda thought that would have come from the left.

    Good article, thanks.


    Because the Fed Govt does not have the powers under the Constitution to require a private citizen to buy a product under penalty of law.

    And they still don't- b/c John Roberts permitted it as a tax.

    Even though Obama said its not a tax.



    And John Roberts is a boob.
  • Cosmo wrote:
    The sad truth about this thread... it sums up the politics of America today. We get our information and form political opinions from little tiny biased sound bites, instead of arming ourselves with the truth and facts by looking into the issue.
    Journalism has become all but extinct in America and has allowed critical thought to give way to 20 second blurbs on television on a single paragraph on a computer screen.


    Not everyone. But most in here...
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    i get my information from youtube clips and fox news. Good shit!

    You can laugh but it is so serious it scary.

    Majority of Americans must be asleep!

    Or have become so apathetic they just don’t care anymore.

    You couldn’t rewrite/predict history repeating itself any better than what is happening right now.



    I DO STILL CARE AND OBAMA IS BAD FOR THIS NATION.

    I don’t know why he isn’t charged with treason?



    There is rarely a perfect choice in politics but clearly Obama is not the choice to make in 2012!

    VOTE!!!! & SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE


    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feat ... Czo5Vf8KZs


    WOOT.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    kenny olav wrote:
    The plan itself doesn't add new doctors, because remember

    Do you need to add more doctors though? I mean for example it takes a lot less effort on a doctors part to give someone an exam and prescribe them medication to lower their blood pressure than it does to do an emergency bypass operation (along with all the post-op care) on someone who is having a heart attack. I am not sure how the new US health system works (because if doesn't affect me) but it is pretty simple to see how the more people who have access to preventative medicine, the less money and time you spend dealing with big problems. It is the same way as if you spend $40 and half an hour every 6 months or whatever your manual says getting an oil change, you significantly cut down the odds that your car will need major repairs.

    That's a fair point. I do think we will be able to decrease the need for emergency care, which is fantastic. My main point is that the government is not taking over the job of hiring doctors.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492

    Because the Fed Govt does not have the powers under the Constitution to require a private citizen to buy a product under penalty of law.


    But I don;t want a health care law that costs me more money and allows people to not pay into it if they choose...then it;s just another entitlement program.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    i get my information from youtube clips and fox news. Good shit!

    You can laugh but it is so serious it scary.

    Majority of Americans must be asleep!

    Or have become so apathetic they just don’t care anymore.

    You couldn’t rewrite/predict history repeating itself any better than what is happening right now.



    I DO STILL CARE AND OBAMA IS BAD FOR THIS NATION.

    I don’t know why he isn’t charged with treason?



    There is rarely a perfect choice in politics but clearly Obama is not the choice to make in 2012!

    VOTE!!!! & SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE


    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feat ... Czo5Vf8KZs


    WOOT.

    :fp:
    Now everyone on this board can see you for who you are.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Because the Fed Govt does not have the powers under the Constitution to require a private citizen to buy a product under penalty of law.

    And they still don't- b/c John Roberts permitted it as a tax.
    Even though Obama said its not a tax.

    And John Roberts is a boob.

    Hurry up and find yourself a copy of the Constitution--because you have never read it before--and browse through it and educate us on how the individual mandate is unconstitutional
  • whygohome wrote:
    Because the Fed Govt does not have the powers under the Constitution to require a private citizen to buy a product under penalty of law.

    And they still don't- b/c John Roberts permitted it as a tax.
    Even though Obama said its not a tax.

    And John Roberts is a boob.

    Hurry up and find yourself a copy of the Constitution--because you have never read it before--and browse through it and educate us on how the individual mandate is unconstitutional


    Whateva, Professah.

    :lol:

    I dont feed trolls.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    whygohome wrote:
    Because the Fed Govt does not have the powers under the Constitution to require a private citizen to buy a product under penalty of law.

    And they still don't- b/c John Roberts permitted it as a tax.
    Even though Obama said its not a tax.

    And John Roberts is a boob.

    Hurry up and find yourself a copy of the Constitution--because you have never read it before--and browse through it and educate us on how the individual mandate is unconstitutional


    Whateva, Professah.

    :lol:

    I dont feed trolls.

    How am I a troll?

    It is a serious question: using the U.S. Constitution, how is the individual mandate unconstitutional?

    I think that statements such as that should be supported by evidence. In fact, I think the large majority of statements on various topics--economics, history, politics, etc.--should be supported by some factual or textual evidence.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    _ wrote:
    1. It actually does have provisions to help increase the number of primary care providers.
    2. Its benefits are already taking effect.
    3. The personal fitness of individual people is completely irrelevent to whether or not a system is good for a population.

    (4. Too bad it doesn't also require people to learn how to write proper sentences.)


    3+4. The personal sentence structuring skills of individual people is completely irrelevant to whether or not they have a good point.

    Just having some fun. ;)

    :lol:
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    whygohome wrote:
    How am I a troll?

    It is a serious question: using the U.S. Constitution, how is the individual mandate unconstitutional?

    I think that statements such as that should be supported by evidence. In fact, I think the large majority of statements on various topics--economics, history, politics, etc.--should be supported by some factual or textual evidence.

    not to get in the middle of all this, but I just can't help a good constitutional argument.

    I distinctly remember President Obama telling me it wasn't a tax and actually getting a little smug with George S about the matter.

    Either President Obama is a liar, and it is a tax or it is unconstitutional. The supreme court said it was a tax, thus making it constitutional under the oddly applied tax powers. Could have easily gone the other way when they rejected the commerce clause argument. And that is the reason why Justice Jackson said this, "we are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final."
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    How am I a troll?

    It is a serious question: using the U.S. Constitution, how is the individual mandate unconstitutional?

    I think that statements such as that should be supported by evidence. In fact, I think the large majority of statements on various topics--economics, history, politics, etc.--should be supported by some factual or textual evidence.

    not to get in the middle of all this, but I just can't help a good constitutional argument.

    I distinctly remember President Obama telling me it wasn't a tax and actually getting a little smug with George S about the matter.

    Either President Obama is a liar, and it is a tax or it is unconstitutional. The supreme court said it was a tax, thus making it constitutional under the oddly applied tax powers. Could have easily gone the other way when they rejected the commerce clause argument. And that is the reason why Justice Jackson said this, "we are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final."

    My take on the Commerce Clause is this: due to the implementation of private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, etc, health insurance, and those who are covered by it, crosses state borders. Therefore, the Federal Government has jurisdiction to regulate that commerce when:
    1. An individual is out of state and undergoes a procedure, needs care, etc., that his/her company denies. They will still receive care, but who will pay for it? Many would say that it is their responsibility. But, we all know how high medical costs could be. (And, it is easy to say that when it is not you). So, the taxpayer would usually foot the bill. The Individual Mandate, and other provisions that prohibit insurance companies the ability to deny care, prevents this situation.
    2. If an individual without insurance goes through a similar situation--out of state, needs care--mandating insurance coverage prevents the taxpayer from footing the bill

    Health, and the need for healthcare, sees no borders between states.

    This, in short, is my interpretation.
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    whygohome wrote:
    :fp:
    Now everyone on this board can see you for who you are.

    Nice approach to discourse/debate you got there... But that does build upon the entirity of what's all wrong with us. Express your views and be mocked/shamed...

    And Now We See YOU for who you are...
    [sic] happens
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    edited October 2012
    acutejam wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    :fp:
    Now everyone on this board can see you for who you are.

    Nice approach to discourse/debate you got there... But that does build upon the entirity of what's all wrong with us. Express your views and be mocked/shamed...

    And Now We See YOU for who you are...

    Hmmm....I was referring to his statement, "i get my information from youtube clips and fox news. Good shit!"

    Now, those of us on the board that have had to suffer through his posts always knew he was a troll; it was obvious, but also conjecture (paradoxically speaking).

    Now, since he has admitted to getting his news and information from the sources he named, we can see him for who he is: an individual who is only on this board to troll and bait.
    Post edited by whygohome on
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    lol -- OH MY, yeah, mama trolled the Seattle 1 EV show fanview last year, now I remember that name.... hehehe. "So my buddy left this msg on my answering machine...."

    well, honestly, didn't really think of that background or that he/she was trolling.

    As a recovering republican in california, struck a nerve, I've seen the whole shaming of folks for their views thing up close and personal -- accept the label, reject the person. End of discussion. It's sad.
    [sic] happens
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    acutejam wrote:
    lol -- OH MY, yeah, mama trolled the Seattle 1 EV show fanview last year, now I remember that name.... hehehe. "So my buddy left this msg on my answering machine...."

    well, honestly, didn't really think of that background or that he/she was trolling.

    As a recovering republican in california, struck a nerve, I've seen the whole shaming of folks for their views thing up close and personal -- accept the label, reject the person. End of discussion. It's sad.

    No sweat. Things get heated on the AMT at times, so I can see how that comment may look.
    We all love each other here though, that's what matters most.
  • Watching Republicans try to distort, warp and just plain lie about a law a popular as Obamacare is beyond pathetic.

    It's like you'd rather just have a publicly-funded cart being dragged through the streets with a guy yelling "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!!!"
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