Voter (Registration) Fraud in Florida

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edited October 2012 in A Moving Train
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... f=politics

Florida Voter Registration Issues Involving GOP Vendor Spread Statewide

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — What first appeared to be an isolated problem in one Florida county has now spread statewide, with election officials in nine counties informing prosecutors or state election officials about questionable voter registration forms filled out on behalf of the Republican Party of Florida.

State Republican officials already have fired the vendor it had hired to register voters, and took the additional step of filing an election fraud complaint against the company, Strategic Allied Consulting, with state officials. That complaint was handed over Friday to state law-enforcement authorities.

A spokesman for Florida's GOP said the matter was being treated seriously.

"We are doing what we can to find out how broad the scope is," said Brian Burgess, the spokesman.

Florida is the battleground state where past election problems led to the chaotic recount that followed the 2000 presidential election.

The Florida Democratic Party called on the state to "revoke" the ability of state Republicans to continue to register voters while the investigation continues. Oct. 9 is the deadline to register to vote in the Nov. 6 presidential election.

"It is clear that the Republican Party of Florida does not have the institutional controls in place to be trusted as a third-party, voter registration organization," said Scott Arceneaux, executive director of the Florida Democratic Party.

The Republican Party of Florida has paid Strategic Allied Consulting more than $1.3 million, and the Republican National Committee used the group for work in Nevada, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia.

The company said earlier this week that it was cooperating with elections officials in Florida. It initially said the suspect forms were turned in by one person, who has been fired.

"Strategic has a zero-tolerance policy for breaking the law," Fred Petti, a company attorney, said Thursday.

But late Friday the company put out a lengthy statement on its website and said that it was aware of questionable forms in other counties and that it confirmed in each of those counties that the problem was with "one individual." Strategic said it had more than 2,000 people working in the state of Florida.

Strategic insisted that it has "rigorous quality control measures" and it blamed the Republican Party of Florida for the decision by Republican National Committee to dump the company on Thursday.

"When the Republican Party of Florida chose to make likely libelous comments about our effort and stated that the Republican National Committee suggested us as the vendor, the RNC was put in the unenviable position of ending a long-term relationship for the sake of staying focused on the election," the company stated.

In Florida, it is a third-degree felony to "willfully submit" any false voter registration information, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison.

In recent years, Florida's Republican-controlled Legislature – citing suspicious voter registration forms turned in by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN – has cracked down on groups holding voter registration drives.

The League of Women Voters filed a federal lawsuit against some of the restrictions and Florida agreed earlier this month to drop a new requirement to turn in registration applications within 48 hours after they are signed. The state has reinstated a 10-day deadline.

The questionable forms tied to the Republican Party have showed up in South Florida, including Miami-Dade, as well as counties in southwest and northeast Florida as well as the Florida Panhandle.

Election officials in Escambia and Santa Rosa counties on Thursday handed over more than 100 suspect forms to local prosecutors. They did so days after officials in Palm Beach County also alerted prosecutors.

Ann Bodenstein, the elections supervisor for Santa Rosa County, said her staff started raising questions after an employee saw a form that changed the home address of a neighbor.

Paul Lux, election supervisor for Okaloosa County, said questionable forms in the Florida Panhandle appear to have all come from Strategic's effort based at the local Republican Party headquarters. He said his office has turned up dozens of suspect forms.

Lux said there have been forms that listed dead people and were either incomplete or illegible. He met with local prosecutors on Friday, but added that his staff was still going through hundreds of forms dropped off by Strategic employees.

Lux, who is a Republican, said he warned local party officials earlier this month when he first learned the company was paying people to register voters.

"I told them `This is not going to end well,'" Lux said.

But Lux added that he did not blame the Republican Party of Florida.

"I can't place the blame on RPOF if they hired a firm and that firm wasn't following the rules they were given to follow," Lux said.

The state party filed the complaint against Strategic Allied Consulting with state election officials, who late Friday handed the case over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

An FDLE spokeswoman said the agency would not automatically open a criminal investigation, but would review to see if there were "possible criminal acts."
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    there is a history of major voter fraud in florida ... in favour of the GOP ... but apparently fraud in elections only happens in third world countries that need american bombs to give it real democracy ...
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    as much as im not a fan of compulsory voting, it would certainly cut down on this kind of bullshit. here in australia you turn 18 you are on the voting register til death. and its not even like you have to vote.. alls you got to do is get your name marked off the register list at the polling station. what you do with your ballot is u to you.
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  • NICE TRY BUD! FRAUDULENT voting favors DEMS and it always has! Especially with illegal immigrants! Think about it! Those without ID can now vote......or dead people are being used....for votes......done by liberals, who control certain counties books! NICE TRY!

    Its the GOP who wishes to implement voter id fraud rules and regs!

    Its the Liberals who wish to keep everything open and undocumented so they can get illegals to vote, for them!

    Its common sense as to who benefits here
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    NICE TRY BUD! FRAUDULENT voting favors DEMS and it always has! Especially with illegal immigrants! Think about it! Those without ID can now vote......or dead people are being used....for votes......done by liberals, who control certain counties books! NICE TRY!

    Its the GOP who wishes to implement voter id fraud rules and regs!

    Its the Liberals who wish to keep everything open and undocumented so they can get illegals to vote, for them!

    Its common sense as to who benefits here

    The specific case that the OP is referring to is to do with registrations in Florida by an group outsourced for the Republican party. I'm not sure what you mean by nice try.

    If voter fraud is being done, by either party, it needs to be stomped out. This instance sheds light on the Republicans, if you have specifics on the Democratic side then post it, and I'll same the same, otherwise I don't really get the point of your post, other than the usual partisan tripe; you're wrong I'm right, my team is better than yours bullshit.

    For the record - voter fraud is bullshit, no matter what side. Anyone found to be doing it should be named shamed and tried for it.

    As for the bolded above; time to move off this platform, it really moves nothing along, only serves to entrench opinions.
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    polaris_x wrote:
    there is a history of major voter fraud in florida ... in favour of the GOP ... but apparently fraud in elections only happens in third world countries that need american bombs to give it real democracy ...

    Fantastic post, really hit the nail on the head.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    NICE TRY BUD! FRAUDULENT voting favors DEMS and it always has! Especially with illegal immigrants! Think about it! Those without ID can now vote......or dead people are being used....for votes......done by liberals, who control certain counties books! NICE TRY!

    Its the GOP who wishes to implement voter id fraud rules and regs!

    Its the Liberals who wish to keep everything open and undocumented so they can get illegals to vote, for them!

    Its common sense as to who benefits here

    You are really smart. Mensa smart.
    Your reading comprehension skills as exhibited in this post are stellar.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    oh the irony...

    we have to make voter id the law of the land because in-person voter fraud is such a huge problem...

    turns out the ones yelling the loudest about needing voter id are the ones doing the shenanigans..

    :fp:
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    oh the irony...

    we have to make voter id the law of the land because in-person voter fraud is such a huge problem...

    turns out the ones yelling the loudest about needing voter id are the ones doing the shenanigans..

    :fp:


    maybe they did it on purpose to show that the ID law is the only way to go. :think:
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    oh the irony...

    we have to make voter id the law of the land because in-person voter fraud is such a huge problem...

    turns out the ones yelling the loudest about needing voter id are the ones doing the shenanigans..

    :fp:


    maybe they did it on purpose to show that the ID law is the only way to go. :think:


    my question would be why is there so much supposed voter fraud??? and why if its such a big problem does the government not impliment a system where EVERYONE eligible to vote secures a voter ID... and i mean EVERYONE.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    oh the irony...

    we have to make voter id the law of the land because in-person voter fraud is such a huge problem...

    turns out the ones yelling the loudest about needing voter id are the ones doing the shenanigans..

    :fp:


    maybe they did it on purpose to show that the ID law is the only way to go. :think:


    my question would be why is there so much supposed voter fraud??? and why if its such a big problem does the government not impliment a system where EVERYONE eligible to vote secures a voter ID... and i mean EVERYONE.


    everything I have read this summer would suggest that asking for a voter id is inherently racist...

    I don't know why they don't give us a voter ID. It is hard to tell if voter fraud is a problem. It wouldn't shock me if it was. I don't know if the fraud being perpetrated is even at the voter level though, the machines are just as susceptible to manipulation, probably more so. A voter ID would go a long way into creating the illusion of fraud-less voting, all the while Diebold machines are used...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    oh the irony...

    we have to make voter id the law of the land because in-person voter fraud is such a huge problem...

    turns out the ones yelling the loudest about needing voter id are the ones doing the shenanigans..

    :fp:


    maybe they did it on purpose to show that the ID law is the only way to go. :think:
    i don't think that they would be that clever to be honest. but it certainly calls into question the way florida has voted going back to 2000.

    i am not going to revisit the necessity for id debate though. i have posted on it enough. more people get killed in lightning strikes per year than there are documented cases of in person voter fraud the last 2 election cycles.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    mikepegg44 wrote:

    everything I have read this summer would suggest that asking for a voter id is inherently racist...

    I don't know why they don't give us a voter ID. It is hard to tell if voter fraud is a problem. It wouldn't shock me if it was. I don't know if the fraud being perpetrated is even at the voter level though, the machines are just as susceptible to manipulation, probably more so. A voter ID would go a long way into creating the illusion of fraud-less voting, all the while Diebold machines are used...

    is only racist if only a certain demographic is asked for it based on their race. if it becomes rote to show your ID to get your name marked off then its simpy standard operating procedure.

    have to say last month when voted in local elections they asked my name and i gave it them then without sighting my drivers licence which would have confirmed my ID he asked if my address was..... i said yes and that was it. he took my word that i was who i said i was.at the time i thought well thats not very secure is it?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    it is also anti democracratic if said dempgraphic happens to vote for the opposite party of the one calling for voter id...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    it is also anti democracratic if said dempgraphic happens to vote for the opposite party of the one calling for voter id...

    only if theyre not afforded the same rights as the rest of the community.


    and tbh im a bit tired of people crying undemocratic.. and anti democracy. when the very ideal our democracy was supposedly founded on wasnt inclusive of the whole population anyway.
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  • Moonpig wrote:
    NICE TRY BUD! FRAUDULENT voting favors DEMS and it always has! Especially with illegal immigrants! Think about it! Those without ID can now vote......or dead people are being used....for votes......done by liberals, who control certain counties books! NICE TRY!

    Its the GOP who wishes to implement voter id fraud rules and regs!

    Its the Liberals who wish to keep everything open and undocumented so they can get illegals to vote, for them!

    Its common sense as to who benefits here

    The specific case that the OP is referring to is to do with registrations in Florida by an group outsourced for the Republican party. I'm not sure what you mean by nice try.


    are you kiddin me? AAAACCCOOORRRRNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK IT UP BUD! WOW

    If voter fraud is being done, by either party, it needs to be stomped out. This instance sheds light on the Republicans, if you have specifics on the Democratic side then post it, and I'll same the same, otherwise I don't really get the point of your post, other than the usual partisan tripe; you're wrong I'm right, my team is better than yours bullshit.

    For the record - voter fraud is bullshit, no matter what side. Anyone found to be doing it should be named shamed and tried for it.

    As for the bolded above; time to move off this platform, it really moves nothing along, only serves to entrench opinions.


    are you kiddin me? AAAACCCCOOOORRRRNNN!!!! WOW look it up bud!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    Moonpig wrote:
    NICE TRY BUD! FRAUDULENT voting favors DEMS and it always has! Especially with illegal immigrants! Think about it! Those without ID can now vote......or dead people are being used....for votes......done by liberals, who control certain counties books! NICE TRY!

    Its the GOP who wishes to implement voter id fraud rules and regs!

    Its the Liberals who wish to keep everything open and undocumented so they can get illegals to vote, for them!

    Its common sense as to who benefits here

    The specific case that the OP is referring to is to do with registrations in Florida by an group outsourced for the Republican party. I'm not sure what you mean by nice try.


    are you kiddin me? AAAACCCOOORRRRNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK IT UP BUD! WOW

    If voter fraud is being done, by either party, it needs to be stomped out. This instance sheds light on the Republicans, if you have specifics on the Democratic side then post it, and I'll same the same, otherwise I don't really get the point of your post, other than the usual partisan tripe; you're wrong I'm right, my team is better than yours bullshit.

    For the record - voter fraud is bullshit, no matter what side. Anyone found to be doing it should be named shamed and tried for it.

    As for the bolded above; time to move off this platform, it really moves nothing along, only serves to entrench opinions.


    are you kiddin me? AAAACCCCOOOORRRRNNN!!!! WOW look it up bud!

    I sure have, but tell you what, why don't you school me on your interpretation of it.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Don't feed the troll.jpg
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