Israel Lobbyist/False Flag attack to start war with Iran

dignindignin Posts: 9,338
edited September 2012 in A Moving Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 84l19H68mk

Last Friday, during question time at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy policy forum luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout,” the director of research at the pro-Israel think tank hinted that a Pearl Harbor-type attack might be necessary to get the United States to go to war against the Islamic Republic.
“I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough,” said Patrick Clawson, who also heads the Washington Institute’s Iran Security Initiative, in response to a question about what would happen if negotiations with Tehran fail. “And it’s very hard for me to see how the United States … uh … President can get us to war with Iran.”
As a consequence, Clawson said he was led to conclude that “the traditional way [that] America gets to war is what would be best for US interests.”
Intriguingly, he went on to recount a series of controversial incidents in American history — the attack on Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and the blowing up of the USS Maine — that US presidents “had to wait for” before taking America to war.
“And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the federal army until Fort Sumter was attacked,” Clawson continued, “which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.”
“So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise,” the Israel lobbyist concluded with a smirk on his face, “it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

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  • I don't advocate violence under any circumstance...but there are people in this world who really fucking deserve a taste of their own medicine...the guys chuckling about 'someone else starting the war' fit into that category.
    Julian Assange has to fight extradition after being framed for rape as a form of punishment for an act of 'treason' against country in which he doesn't live...and Bradley Manning gets tortured for it....while assholes like this advocate an attack on America as a good thing, to be followed with more loss of life in another bullshit war, with no repercussions. The world is a wonderful place, isn't it?
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    dignin wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M84l19H68mk

    Last Friday, during question time at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy policy forum luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout,” the director of research at the pro-Israel think tank hinted that a Pearl Harbor-type attack might be necessary to get the United States to go to war against the Islamic Republic.
    “I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough,” said Patrick Clawson, who also heads the Washington Institute’s Iran Security Initiative, in response to a question about what would happen if negotiations with Tehran fail. “And it’s very hard for me to see how the United States … uh … President can get us to war with Iran.”
    As a consequence, Clawson said he was led to conclude that “the traditional way [that] America gets to war is what would be best for US interests.”
    Intriguingly, he went on to recount a series of controversial incidents in American history — the attack on Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and the blowing up of the USS Maine — that US presidents “had to wait for” before taking America to war.
    “And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the federal army until Fort Sumter was attacked,” Clawson continued, “which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.”
    “So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise,” the Israel lobbyist concluded with a smirk on his face, “it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

    http://thepassionateattachment.com/2012 ... with-iran/


    wouldn't be their first time

    see USS Liberty
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it should be noted that only 1 other country has used drones to launch attacks on foreign soil ... and that is israel ...
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    It's an accurate analysis, but it's really fucked. Hope it doesn't come to war with Iran under any circumstances, least of all an attack on the US deliberately done to draw the US into a conflict.

    But wait if you read on in the linked article (rather than just what was pasted), the reference is to Iran attacking the US, which Israel in turn hopes would draw us into a war.

    Is that what this asshole lobbyist was hinting at or something more devious?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    MotoDC wrote:
    It's an accurate analysis, but it's really fucked. Hope it doesn't come to war with Iran under any circumstances, least of all an attack on the US deliberately done to draw the US into a conflict.

    But wait if you read on in the linked article (rather than just what was pasted), the reference is to Iran attacking the US, which Israel in turn hopes would draw us into a war.

    Is that what this asshole lobbyist was hinting at or something more devious?

    If he is bold enough to say this in public, imagine what is being said behind closed doors in private. It's sad to think that people are getting paid to come up with ways to start a war.....people that will never have to put their life on the line in these wars.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    dignin wrote:
    If he is bold enough to say this in public, imagine what is being said behind closed doors in private. It's sad to think that people are getting paid to come up with ways to start a war.....people that will never have to put their life on the line in these wars.
    exactly! it is a damn shame that thinktanks pay people to come up with ideas to wage war and kill people. it is so counter to human nature. socipaths kill for profit..... and you are right. nobody with any sort of power ever has to fight a war. that goes for their kids too...

    thing is, with netanyahu wanting the US to draw firm red lines and also hoping that we would do his dirty work and obama showing reluctance to do so, i do not see a false flag as being impossible. the israeli people are against war with iran. the americans are against war with iran. republican congressmen with fiscal restraint can not support a war with iran. but an attack on america or israel changes that. if iran does not attack, we attack ourselves under the guise of an attack by iran and then these people get what they really want.

    sad, sad, sad...
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  • polaris_x wrote:
    it should be noted that only 1 other country has used drones to launch attacks on foreign soil ... and that is israel ...


    Israel. Love those guys...
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    dignin wrote:
    If he is bold enough to say this in public, imagine what is being said behind closed doors in private. It's sad to think that people are getting paid to come up with ways to start a war.....people that will never have to put their life on the line in these wars.
    exactly! it is a damn shame that thinktanks pay people to come up with ideas to wage war and kill people. it is so counter to human nature. socipaths kill for profit..... and you are right. nobody with any sort of power ever has to fight a war. that goes for their kids too...

    thing is, with netanyahu wanting the US to draw firm red lines and also hoping that we would do his dirty work and obama showing reluctance to do so, i do not see a false flag as being impossible. the israeli people are against war with iran. the americans are against war with iran. republican congressmen with fiscal restraint can not support a war with iran. but an attack on america or israel changes that. if iran does not attack, we attack ourselves under the guise of an attack by iran and then these people get what they really want.

    sad, sad, sad...
    Man I can just imagine the conspiracy theories that will be all over AMT if Iran attacks us. Frustrating that the real, pure truth is almost unknowable in these situations.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    MotoDC wrote:
    Man I can just imagine the conspiracy theories that will be all over AMT if Iran attacks us. Frustrating that the real, pure truth is almost unknowable in these situations.
    i don't think that it would happen any time soon. methinks that after the rhetoric settles down and people forget about this and go back to their normal lives is when it would happen. the trick is to not let people forget.

    i am not big into a lot of conspiracy theories, but i always find it interesting to read about them.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited September 2012
    crisis initiation.. :roll:

    WTF!? is going on here? and when does that shuttle leave for mars?

    this is democracy at work people. they make decisions that will impact upon us all and then tell us freedom isnt free. well no of course it isnt when they use that freedom to launch strikes against other nations who then retaliate cause theyve been attacked and we end up paying the price.

    want to play a game?
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  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    If lobbyists and politicians (*cough* Mitt Romney *cough* Netanyahu) want to start and fight a war with Iran, then they fight it. Don't send our troops there. Our troops have fought enough for the last 11 years to do their dirty work in the middle east.
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  • From wiki....

    Washington Institute for Near East Policy:

    Board of Advisors

    As of November 4, 2009, the Washington Institute's Board of Advisors included:[23]

    Warren Christopher, former Secretary of State
    Lawrence S. Eagleburger, former Secretary of State
    Max Kampelman, former American diplomat
    Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State
    Samuel W. Lewis, former United States Ambassador to Israel
    Edward Luttwak, Senior Associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
    Michael Mandelbaum, Director of the American Foreign Policy program at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies
    Robert McFarlane, former National Security Advisor
    Martin Peretz, editor-in-chief of The New Republic
    Richard Perle, former Assistant Secretary of Defense
    James Roche, former Secretary of the Air Force
    George Shultz, former Secretary of State
    R. James Woolsey, former Director of Central Intelligence
    Mortimer Zuckerman, editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report



    Not exactly a bunch of nobodies with no influence....PNAC said the same shit before 9/11....these think-tanks set US foreign policy - they are the advisors and lobby puppet masters to the monkeys in office. This IS conspiracy defined. These are the people calling the shots, and they're laughing about an attack on america and the resulting war.
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