divorce & church/religions
chadwick
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so when my folks got divorced the catholic church told my mom she was unable to receive sacraments anymore. what are sacraments? good question, i don't know exactly what they all are, holy communion and whatnot i guess. so the catholic church had my mother removed from their gatherings. which is fine by her, she doesn't support or have much to do with them anyway.
mom & dad both went to private catholic schooling and graduated in 1967. what is a fucking riot to me is that coming up sometimre in october is the holy trinity event, 'god's portions day' where graduates from the catholic school & other supporters & whatnot gather at the schools & churches & eat & give money & stuff.
they are constantly hounding my mother to attend this event as well as high school reunions.
the other week ago at a friend's funeral (who committed suicide) one of the holy trinity god's portion day organizers was there in attendance and was asking me if my mother was attending this year's god's portion day & the reunion. i told the lady the catholic church removed mom from their church and she would not ever be attending any gatherings and besides my mother hates catholics. (i know the gal so we can joke around together) she was very pushy about getting mom once again into the arms of the catholic church & the lord.
i wish i could go back in time a bit. i'd tell her more comedy like mom's into picking her nose a lot & sticking things up her fanny.
so why at a buddy's funeral memorial gathering does a religious nutjob gotta hunt down prospects? i know the religious nutcase very well, we were neighbors for 30 odd years. still, what the frig? why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why & screw off. "mom hates catholics" you shoulda seen her face drop to the floor. priceless & worth gold
so what are all the sacraments?
edit... why remove women from the catholic church & never ever confront the cheating/lying dogs that are their bunk ass catholic men?
mom & dad both went to private catholic schooling and graduated in 1967. what is a fucking riot to me is that coming up sometimre in october is the holy trinity event, 'god's portions day' where graduates from the catholic school & other supporters & whatnot gather at the schools & churches & eat & give money & stuff.
they are constantly hounding my mother to attend this event as well as high school reunions.
the other week ago at a friend's funeral (who committed suicide) one of the holy trinity god's portion day organizers was there in attendance and was asking me if my mother was attending this year's god's portion day & the reunion. i told the lady the catholic church removed mom from their church and she would not ever be attending any gatherings and besides my mother hates catholics. (i know the gal so we can joke around together) she was very pushy about getting mom once again into the arms of the catholic church & the lord.
i wish i could go back in time a bit. i'd tell her more comedy like mom's into picking her nose a lot & sticking things up her fanny.
so why at a buddy's funeral memorial gathering does a religious nutjob gotta hunt down prospects? i know the religious nutcase very well, we were neighbors for 30 odd years. still, what the frig? why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why & screw off. "mom hates catholics" you shoulda seen her face drop to the floor. priceless & worth gold
so what are all the sacraments?
edit... why remove women from the catholic church & never ever confront the cheating/lying dogs that are their bunk ass catholic men?
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i would call them the beads (mardi gras) of the catholic church ...
What are you talking about in the last sentence? According to Catholics, your Mom is simply still married to your Dad until one dies. There's no preferential treatment for men over women. Your Dad and your Mom are in the same situation according to the Catholic Church. According to their beliefs, you can't divorce someone. You're married. You made the promise you can't renig it. The only way out of a marriage is an annulment - which basically refutes the marriages existence in the first place. I think they these rules are put in place so that dissolvement of the sacrament doesn't occur frequently (we all know how that really works - not well at all). The same is true for men and women, so I don't understand your logic there.
Anyway, sorry to hear that about your mom's situation, but whoever said that to her is wrong.
Here's the Catholic Sacraments:
Baptism, eucharist, reconciliation, confirmation, marriage, holy orders, annointing of the sick.
http://www.americancatholic.org/feature ... aspx?id=29
Just curious, why didn't you just google this? Seems pretty easy to figure out online.
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Danny's mom was still active at her church and related events after his parents divorced.
Anyway, yeah...funerals are probably not the best place for them to have broached this with you and your mom.
Also, I'm sorry about the loss of your friend, chadwick.
the catholic church confronted mom about their divorce on several occasions & not once did they ever talk with dad about the divorce. and i have heard this exact thing from others; women getting banned/disowned from the church & men getting hand shakes, hugs, & good treatment. i have not exaggerate in any of this. facts are facts. simple pimple
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Jeez, they wouldn't have approved of my Mum, she's been married 4 times. :?
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I doubt the "Catholic Church" confronted your Mom, personally. But, that's my opinion. I don't see how they could know she got divorced. If anyone confronted her, I bet it was solitary human being (one priest) or maybe two, or a particular small parish. In general, there's absolutely no way they "removed her from their gatherings". That's just not possible - and would make national news if it happened. They would not "remove" someone from mass, for example. The parish, if it's small enough, I suppose could refuse to give her communion, however. Typically that comes down to one priest - the guy giving the communion - and I think most Catholics would consider that priest wrong.
Once again though, it wasn't proper to try to get your Mom to attend a Catholic thing at a funeral - I don't disagree there.
I know easily 50 divorced Catholics - some family, some friends. Some have had annulments, others have not. Those who haven't still receive communion. Those who did do too - if they wanted. I have never heard that men are treated differently and know first hand from family - they are not in ALL of examples I've been close to. So, it's not facts - it's a generalization.
Once again, that doesn't say what these "individuals" did to your Mom was right. I don't think it was. But, to generalize is not right either. Just want to note that.
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how can you sit there and type what you typed? you do not know me nor my families situation in regards to the catholic small town narrow minded church bullshit. this has happened to many women around the world not just my mother in small town iowa.
to the catholic church my mother was a disgrace even after her parents paid good money for their kids' private schooling/education at the holy trinity foundation.
how dare you, sir!
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i can be your pal so to speak or not. i'd rather be friendly than not.
fact... the catholic church in small town iowa basically banned my mom & never turned their back(s) on my dad. fact.
which is funny/odd because neither of them attended church at all on a regular basis. yet the church thought they'd flex their almighty huge biceps/power and ban someone so to speak. fuck that & fuck them.
at this point we all find it fucking hilarious @ the sheep following outfit
we were all raised up catholic & in small farming communities. drunks & church. drunks & church. again, drunks & church. drunks & church.
the father that visits/works with the inmates @ the iowa state penitentiary smuggles in wine for his holy work. if he gives out sips of wine that is something i do not know; however, he is dead drunk himself smelling of fermented grapes. the dude has to be 80-90 years old and basically does as he pleases.
he's a good dude actually. drunk as fuck but a good guy helping/reaching out to convicts.
again... drunks & church, drunks & church, drunks & church.
wanna hear about one small catholic town that houses more taverns than is needed? gotta get to church then drunk. church & drunks, church & drunks. taverns wrap the town square, taverns wrap the square, taverns wrap town square. church & drunks.
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I'm still curious how this "ban" went down. Can you explain that part?
A parish, in a small town in Iowa - I suppose may have banned your Mom - I have no clue. But, I'm trying to say "the Catholic Church" did not ban your Mom. From what you're saying - they did - which is false - I suppose you could say "A" Catholic Church banned my Mom - that would make sense (because it's singular - not plural).
This Iowa parish probably is run by 1, 2 or 3 priests. What I think occurred is that they (those priests) refused her from taking communion - which is the only thing that makes sense. Even that though is messed up if they went out of their way to tell her. If they went further than that and banned her (once again, you never clarified how this happened) - write your local news. This would be a huge story and would be on the news if they "banned" her from the parish simply because she was divorced. In fact, like I already said - it probably would be on world news tonight. That's how big it is.
I have no clue what happened. What I am saying is "the Catholic Church" is a huge institution. It is not equal to a small parish in Iowa run by a couple of priests. The Catholic Church exists outside of Iowa. Your saying this enormous institution that exists outside of Iowa did this to your Mom. I'm saying, no it's your parish, or maybe even one priest - that's doing it to your Mom.
If what you say is occurring is true - your parish are 100% wrong. But, please refrain from generalizations. Because you're claiming the entire church did it - which is not factual at all.
It's the equivalent of being banned here at the pearljam.com and saying to everyone that the internet banned you. That's a generalization and it's not true. If you're banned here, you're banned at one website - not all of them. If your Mom was banned from her small parish in Iowa (which is really, really odd and would make national news) - it's not equivalent to her being banned by the Catholic Church.
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or were you lying/ joking/ sticking it to this neighbor in jest?
The Catholics I know would have been hurt at your generalization.
Could this paint your mother in a light she may not want to be painted in?
Hateful vengeful or worse?
There are so many welcoming churches of every faith one really can't generalize.
People are individuals, churches are made up of individuals, good and bad.
One thing we can count on it seems hate meets more hate,
but there are those who forgive of every religion or none.
telling this lady (who attended catholic school w/ my parents, both her & her bunk ass husband) that mom hates catholics is a flippin riot.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
But...if the Catholic church was my only option, I wouldn't go there. All the goofy rules and regulations are so far removed from my beliefs it's hard to fathom we have a faith in the same God.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Yeah, their rules are a bit much.
I read about the author Anne Rice going back to Catholicism about 12 years ago after a long bout as an atheist I think. She was a devout catholic and just flat out quit the church one day and has denounced the church with vigor since then (but remains a catholic)...She has a gay son and she got tired of all the rules, hypocrisy, and controversy.
Just curious - what are your beliefs? And how do you know the Catholic rules and regulations if you're not or weren't Catholic?
As someone who grew up Catholic, I know a lot about their beliefs and whatnot. One of the aspects of that religion I do like is that they don't take the Bible literally - unlike many other Christian sects. I also like that they believe in works, meaning doing good deeds are important - many other Christian sects think if you believe in Jesus - that gets you saved - Catholics don't. They think you actually have to do good stuff. They also believe you can go to heaven if you're not Catholic or don't follow the Bible - unlike most Christians (see former statement).
That said, the fact that priests can't marry, the abuse scandals, etc. - that stuff totally turns me off, personally.
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I guess I meant all the ceremonial and symbolic traditions, rituals and formality. They all seem silly to me and some border on idol worship. I also don't like all the responsive reading and chanting and the very structured worship services where they say and do the same things that their reading out of a book. Plus the worshiping and praying to saints and Mary. I grew up in a Lutheran church and even though that's not Catholic, there are a lot of similarities and they use some of the same worship services.
My church is a non-denominational Christian church. Our whole creed or church mission is to Love God and demonstrate that by loving people. A significant part of every worship service is devoted to discussing ways to help people - monetarily, spiritually or whatever. It's a big church, but every week we give $10K to a person, family, group, etc. that we determine needs help. That's in addition to all of the other ministries we have such as a free medical and dental clinic, help for disasters around the world, etc.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
As an agnostic, the only times I find myself in a church are for weddings and funerals. But, I like what I read here, "know1." I have friends and family members who are distancing themselves from the traditional forms of church and worship and who are moving toward Unitarian and non-denominational churches. It seems to be more about community than doctrine.
When I visited some family members, I passed by their church. It had a gay rights flag on the outside of it.
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I must say sometimes you laugh alone ...
I prefer real humor that doesn't put somebody down.
I've never been a fan of Don Rickles type humor. But I see where you are coming from here.
Could it be time to forgive though? After attending all our high school reunions,
coming up on the 40th, your Mama might be missing some good times and good people...
just saying.
Back to the topic, my high school sweetheart was Catholic.
Having not had any experience with any church or religion
I was rather impressed with the ceremony aspect. I thought midnight mass rocked!
The family going all together and including me I also thought was wonderful.
It was love and happy memories for a young relationship at a time
when we were learning so much.
what about poopy pants? sure i've had accidents. yourself?
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce