Huge 10c tix mix up right now in Grand Rapids!!

iwasthereiwasthere Posts: 511
edited May 2006 in Given To Fly (live)
Just got a call from Grand Rapids. I guess there is a big mix up. It seems people with 10c numbers under 140xxx are getting below average seats! works great for my friend with a 10c # in the mid 200xxx (in the 6th row), but she says there are alot of upset people. Just thought I would let you know.
tacos
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    shitty deal....oh well...
    Van '98, Sea I+II '00, Sea '01, Sea II '02, Van '03, Gorge, Van, Cal, Edm '05, Bos I+II, Phi I+II, DC, SF II+III, Port, Gorge I+II '06, DC, NY I+II '08, Sea I+II, Van, Ridge , LA III+IV' 09, Indy '10, Cal, Van '11, Lond, Van, Sea '13, Memphis '14, RRHOF '17, Sea I+II '18, Van I+II, Vegas I+II '24
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    shitty deal....oh well...

    it's cool.
  • bones0138bones0138 Posts: 52
    it's a random mix-up, nothing more.
  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    it better be just a mix up.....!!!
    Van '98, Sea I+II '00, Sea '01, Sea II '02, Van '03, Gorge, Van, Cal, Edm '05, Bos I+II, Phi I+II, DC, SF II+III, Port, Gorge I+II '06, DC, NY I+II '08, Sea I+II, Van, Ridge , LA III+IV' 09, Indy '10, Cal, Van '11, Lond, Van, Sea '13, Memphis '14, RRHOF '17, Sea I+II '18, Van I+II, Vegas I+II '24
  • depploverdepplover Posts: 189
    chaos on the board tommorrow....
    5/09/06, 5/10/06 - FUCKIN AMAZING!!!!
  • binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    Maybe Tim had enough of the same spoiled biatches up front every night just leaning against the rails and decided on a new policy.. ohhh this tour really might get outta hand now:)
  • Red LukinRed Lukin Posts: 2,994
    Please let this be true, and please let it happen tomorrow as well. Most fans up close are far too spoiled.
  • MANTISMANTIS Posts: 272
    random my ass...i dont think you can fuck up that many tickets...maybe 10c is making a point...

    Columbus 00 -- Toronto 00 -- Toronto 03 -- Hershey 03 -- Boston I 04 -- Boston II 04 -- Toledo 04 -- Kitchener 05 -- London 05 -- Hamilton 05 -- Ottawa 05 -- Toronto 05 -- Toronto I 06 -- Toronto II 06 -- Cleveland 06 -- Detroit 06 -- Gorge I 06 -- Gorge II 06 -- Chicago Lolla 07 -- Toronto 09 -- Buffalo 10 -- Hamilton 11 -- Toronto I 11 -- Toronto II 11 -- Buffalo 13 -- London 13 -- Toronto I 16 -- Toronto II 16 -- Ottawa 16 -- Chicago I  18 -- Chicago II 18 -- Hamilton 22 -- Toronto 22

    Ed Ved - Toronto I 08--Toronto II 08

  • MANTISMANTIS Posts: 272
    Red Lukin wrote:
    Please let this be true, and please let it happen tomorrow as well. Most fans up close are far too spoiled.
    fuck that red!!! im sitting witha very senior member tomorrow...i'm gonn ne super pissed if im sidestage, or worse, like i am for every show!

    Columbus 00 -- Toronto 00 -- Toronto 03 -- Hershey 03 -- Boston I 04 -- Boston II 04 -- Toledo 04 -- Kitchener 05 -- London 05 -- Hamilton 05 -- Ottawa 05 -- Toronto 05 -- Toronto I 06 -- Toronto II 06 -- Cleveland 06 -- Detroit 06 -- Gorge I 06 -- Gorge II 06 -- Chicago Lolla 07 -- Toronto 09 -- Buffalo 10 -- Hamilton 11 -- Toronto I 11 -- Toronto II 11 -- Buffalo 13 -- London 13 -- Toronto I 16 -- Toronto II 16 -- Ottawa 16 -- Chicago I  18 -- Chicago II 18 -- Hamilton 22 -- Toronto 22

    Ed Ved - Toronto I 08--Toronto II 08

  • Red LukinRed Lukin Posts: 2,994
    ' wrote:
    V[ANTIS']fuck that red!!! im sitting witha very senior member tomorrow...i'm gonn ne super pissed if im sidestage, or worse, like i am for every show!

    I'm side stage for every show myself. Don't worry, this is too good to be anyways. I'm sure everything will be back to normal tomorrow.
  • bones0138bones0138 Posts: 52
    again, someone please explain to me this whole, "same people up front every night" thing. there have only been 6 shows on this tour so far. think about it, seniority seating started with this tour, and they're gonna do away with it 6 shows in?
  • its funny when things change so much- its a state of mind!!!!

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  • luckytwnluckytwn Posts: 36
    bones0138 wrote:
    again, someone please explain to me this whole, "same people up front every night" thing. there have only been 6 shows on this tour so far. think about it, seniority seating started with this tour, and they're gonna do away with it 6 shows in?

    Mix-up. How can they do away with seniority seating if they announced in advance that is how the tickets would be assigned? There's a term for someone who sells something by saying it's one way and then switching it to another..."bait and switch." Generally that's frowned upon by various entities such as consumer protection agencies, etc. They would get sued immediately and rightfully so. Pearl Jam can use any system they like but you can't announce a system and then get people to spend their money and give them something different.
  • iwasthereiwasthere Posts: 511
    bones0138 wrote:
    again, someone please explain to me this whole, "same people up front every night" thing. there have only been 6 shows on this tour so far. think about it, seniority seating started with this tour, and they're gonna do away with it 6 shows in?


    seniority seating has been around in one form or another for several years now.
    tacos
  • MANTISMANTIS Posts: 272
    Red Lukin wrote:
    I'm side stage for every show myself. Don't worry, this is too good to be anyways. I'm sure everything will be back to normal tomorrow.
    i hope so...im going way out of my way to make it to this show tomorrow...missing my buddies wedding rehersal dinner...and then gonna be super tired for his wedding!!

    ahh, well, your right...it will still be a kick ass show..

    Thanks for the boots BTW...they sound great...show 2 took up 1.6 gigs on my ipod!!!

    Columbus 00 -- Toronto 00 -- Toronto 03 -- Hershey 03 -- Boston I 04 -- Boston II 04 -- Toledo 04 -- Kitchener 05 -- London 05 -- Hamilton 05 -- Ottawa 05 -- Toronto 05 -- Toronto I 06 -- Toronto II 06 -- Cleveland 06 -- Detroit 06 -- Gorge I 06 -- Gorge II 06 -- Chicago Lolla 07 -- Toronto 09 -- Buffalo 10 -- Hamilton 11 -- Toronto I 11 -- Toronto II 11 -- Buffalo 13 -- London 13 -- Toronto I 16 -- Toronto II 16 -- Ottawa 16 -- Chicago I  18 -- Chicago II 18 -- Hamilton 22 -- Toronto 22

    Ed Ved - Toronto I 08--Toronto II 08

  • bones0138bones0138 Posts: 52
    iwasthere wrote:
    seniority seating has been around in one form or another for several years now.
    sure, but not like it is now.
  • bobonicbobonic Posts: 7
    Mix It Up In Jersey
  • Garden DoggGarden Dogg Posts: 226
    luckytwn wrote:
    Mix-up. How can they do away with seniority seating if they announced in advance that is how the tickets would be assigned? There's a term for someone who sells something by saying it's one way and then switching it to another..."bait and switch." Generally that's frowned upon by various entities such as consumer protection agencies, etc. They would get sued immediately and rightfully so. Pearl Jam can use any system they like but you can't announce a system and then get people to spend their money and give them something different.

    "can you amp up the drama a bit?," AJ Soprano
    "let's hug it out, bitch."

    "and onward goes this thing of ours."
  • bones0138 wrote:
    again, someone please explain to me this whole, "same people up front every night" thing. there have only been 6 shows on this tour so far. think about it, seniority seating started with this tour, and they're gonna do away with it 6 shows in?

    look at the pics from the Canadian tour last year...THE SAME people up front EVERY show...I saw them there every night I went
    03: Toronto
    04: Toledo
    05: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Toronto, Quebec City, St. John's 1 & 2
    06: Toronto 1 & 2, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati
    07: London, Dusseldorf
    08: Tampa
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    look at the pics from the Canadian tour last year...THE SAME people up front EVERY show...I saw them there every night I went

    good for all the high number members.

    nothing wrong with a little new blood up front.
  • idratherbeidratherbe Posts: 367
    bones0138 wrote:
    again, someone please explain to me this whole, "same people up front every night" thing. there have only been 6 shows on this tour so far. think about it, seniority seating started with this tour, and they're gonna do away with it 6 shows in?

    Seniority seating began with the 2005 tour (US/Canada). Block seating ended with the '03 tour.

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  • luckytwnluckytwn Posts: 36
    look at the pics from the Canadian tour last year...THE SAME people up front EVERY show...I saw them there every night I went

    Uh, the Canadian tour was six months ago. If the band was upset about it being the same people upfront every night, then why didn't they just change the policy for this tour?

    So you think they announced the seniority system, waited to get into the tour, and then said now let's change it even though it violates the tems under which we sold our fans seats?

    I don't think they would treat their fans like that and it would also completely violate any sort of ethical way of doing business.
  • iwasthereiwasthere Posts: 511
    luckytwn wrote:
    Uh, the Canadian tour was six months ago. If the band was upset about it being the same people upfront every night, then why didn't they just change the policy for this tour?

    So you think they announced the seniority system, waited to get into the tour, and then said now let's change it even though it violates the tems under which we sold our fans seats?

    I don't think they would treat their fans like that and it would also completely violate any sort of ethical way of doing business.

    The block seating was still seniority based.

    65xxx and lower = best seats
    66xxx-100xxx = 2nd best
    101xxx-150xxx = 3rd best

    and so on......
    tacos
  • luckytwn wrote:
    Uh, the Canadian tour was six months ago. If the band was upset about it being the same people upfront every night, then why didn't they just change the policy for this tour?

    So you think they announced the seniority system, waited to get into the tour, and then said now let's change it even though it violates the tems under which we sold our fans seats?

    I don't think they would treat their fans like that and it would also completely violate any sort of ethical way of doing business.

    I agree with you there...I think they should have changed it before this tour...but, I'm not sure what people are saying about courts and breaking laws apply in this instance because they are a private membership club, and not an institution or business...I'm also pretty sure that technically, you are buying the tickets from the venue or ticketmaster, and ten club just handles the allocation; they are not actually selling you the tickets...I'm also sure that someone would have looked into the possiblity of court action against such a move if this was intentional
    03: Toronto
    04: Toledo
    05: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Toronto, Quebec City, St. John's 1 & 2
    06: Toronto 1 & 2, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati
    07: London, Dusseldorf
    08: Tampa
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,513
    idratherbe wrote:
    Seniority seating began with the 2005 tour (US/Canada). Block seating ended with the '03 tour.

    ~peace~

    the blocks were based on seniority. Hence, the same people may have gotten in line early for the lowest-numbered block ticket window and as a result, been in thefront row every night.
  • idratherbeidratherbe Posts: 367
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    the blocks were based on seniority. Hence, the same people may have gotten in line early for the lowest-numbered block ticket window and as a result, been in thefront row every night.

    True, but with my mediocre number (212xxx), showing up early for the line meant I'd get the better seats in my block. I got 9th row center in New Orleans and 6th row center in Little Rock. I guarantee you that wouldn't be the case now (well unless the Grand Rapids thing happens again); the Canadian shows proved that. The way the tix are now it's predetermined, your tix are in an envelope with your name on it, not handed off the top of a stack.

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    While allowing yourself to be their Option.

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  • luckytwnluckytwn Posts: 36
    but, I'm not sure what people are saying about courts and breaking laws apply in this instance because they are a private membership club, and not an institution or business...

    Say what? Not a business? Seriously, you should not talk about stuff you know nothing about. The Ten Club is an LLC and is very much a business that must comply with the laws of the states that it does business in.

    There are consumer protection laws to protect against items being sold on promised terms and then having those terms not complied with. If you look at the 10C ticketing page, it even says "TERMS AND CONDITIONS" and says by participating in the ticket sale you are agreeing to the terms. One of those terms is the seniority process, which is very explicitly spelled out.

    By having those terms and conditions, the business is telling you how they are conducting the sale. You agree to those terms by participating and they agree in return to provide the product as promised.

    And yes, I am a lawyer. I'm also an entertainment industry professional. This is almost certainly a mistake and nothing more.
  • bones0138bones0138 Posts: 52
    i'm gonna get very "JFK" right now and go with the theory that someone in the box office did some switching of tickets. if you notice, both of those mysterious upgrades are ALSO from Grand Rapids.
  • luckytwn wrote:
    Say what? Not a business? Seriously, you should not talk about stuff you know nothing about. The Ten Club is an LLC and is very much a business that must comply with the laws of the states that it does business in.

    There are consumer protection laws to protect against items being sold on promised terms and then having those terms not complied with. If you look at the 10C ticketing page, it even says "TERMS AND CONDITIONS" and says by participating in the ticket sale you are agreeing to the terms. One of those terms is the seniority process, which is very explicitly spelled out.

    By having those terms and conditions, the business is telling you how they are conducting the sale. You agree to those terms by participating and they agree as in return to provide the product as promised.

    And yes, I am a lawyer. I'm also an entertainment industry professional. This is almost certainly a mistake and nothing more.

    I will defer to you, but what separates them as a business from a private club??...we pay membership fees, as someone does at a golf club...a golf club is considered a private club...even though they sell items, I always considered them a club more so than a business, I know the distinction can be minute

    and by the way, don't talk down to me...I have over 8 years of university under my belt, and I'm still not done
    03: Toronto
    04: Toledo
    05: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Toronto, Quebec City, St. John's 1 & 2
    06: Toronto 1 & 2, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati
    07: London, Dusseldorf
    08: Tampa
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,513
    I will defer to you, but what separates them as a business from a private club??...we pay membership fees, as someone does at a golf club...a golf club is considered a private club...even though they sell items, I always considered them a club more so than a business, I know the distinction can be minute

    and by the way, don't talk down to me...I have over 8 years of university under my belt, and I'm still not done

    the 10 club is a business....they sell merch to anyone, and they are far from being a privtae club......any schmoe with $25 can join. We are paying for services.

    So, trying to differentiate between a business and a club is a moot point.

    Didn't Blotto from "Animal House" also have 8 years of university under his belt too!
    :)
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