Wow. Unlike the Catholic church, they asked them to resign instead of reassigning them. But, like the Catholic church, they did nothing to punish the offenders. F*ckers. Shut 'em down.
Catholic priests molest young boys, and what is done? Not much, the church hides it (because "he has done so much for the community and is a nice guy") and depending on the situation, the priest usually resigns and moves to another town to continue his preying.
Jerry Sandusky molested many young boys, and what did the school do? they hid it as much as they could...'because he has done so much for the school and is a nice guy"-he was an exception, there was so much media attention, and his foundation of people to cover up his crimes crumbled, so he fell.
Boy Scouts of America-such an honored and upstanding organization. Revered leaders are 'forgiven' because they "have done so much for the scouts and is a nice guy". Much like the priests, scout leaders simply move to a new town where they don't know him and he can brag about how much he did for the scouts, and the new scouts immediately trust him.
Seems all these organizations prey on gullible, naive, and trusting people. Reminds me of why I hated my last job, well I didn't hate the job, I hated the people who presented themselves as trustworthy people, but behind closed doors, they were pure evil.
I don't care that said person goes to church every Sunday, it doesn't make up for the fact that they do horrible things to others outside of the church. Why is it okay? Just because they go to church? Any fool can show up at church every Sunday sing a few songs and be forgiven for the 'sins' they commit? Bullshit.
When those that need to be punished are done rightfully so, justice is served, and we are all set free.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
always amazes me that the line to bash PSU is out the door and around the corner....but show anouther institution that is clearly harboring creeps, and people scatter like ball bearings on a hill.
always amazes me that the line to bash PSU is out the door and around the corner....but show anouther institution that is clearly harboring creeps, and people scatter like ball bearings on a hill.
I don't like the Boy Scouts for a lot of reasons. They seem to be about 50 years behind the times. I've had occasion to work with Girl Scouts a few times and I'm always impressed at how innovative they are at teaching girls practical skills while having fun.
What's particularly annoying about these current revelations is that it's a repeat of what we've been hearing about the BSA for years. Like similar institutions that have fostered this behavior, they seem oblivious to what they've done. I don't know how much protest is directed against them. They seem to deflect it well.
always amazes me that the line to bash PSU is out the door and around the corner....but show anouther institution that is clearly harboring creeps, and people scatter like ball bearings on a hill.
I don't like the Boy Scouts for a lot of reasons. They seem to be about 50 years behind the times. I've had occasion to work with Girl Scouts a few times and I'm always impressed at how innovative they are at teaching girls practical skills while having fun.
What's particularly annoying about these current revelations is that it's a repeat of what we've been hearing about the BSA for years. Like similar institutions that have fostered this behavior, they seem oblivious to what they've done. I don't know how much protest is directed against them. They seem to deflect it well.
I was a boy scout and an altar boy. I really should head to counselling.
always amazes me that the line to bash PSU is out the door and around the corner....but show anouther institution that is clearly harboring creeps, and people scatter like ball bearings on a hill.
The folks at Penn State invented the crime. Their alumni are a mess and good for nothing...shit wrong thread.
Kid brought Boy Scout info home from school, pitched and and showed him how to tie a knot.
I've met Rob
DEGENERATE FUK
This place is dead
"THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015
always amazes me that the line to bash PSU is out the door and around the corner....but show anouther institution that is clearly harboring creeps, and people scatter like ball bearings on a hill.
I don't like the Boy Scouts for a lot of reasons. They seem to be about 50 years behind the times. I've had occasion to work with Girl Scouts a few times and I'm always impressed at how innovative they are at teaching girls practical skills while having fun.
What's particularly annoying about these current revelations is that it's a repeat of what we've been hearing about the BSA for years. Like similar institutions that have fostered this behavior, they seem oblivious to what they've done. I don't know how much protest is directed against them. They seem to deflect it well.
I was a boy scout and an altar boy. I really should head to counselling.
always amazes me that the line to bash PSU is out the door and around the corner....but show anouther institution that is clearly harboring creeps, and people scatter like ball bearings on a hill.
I don't like the Boy Scouts for a lot of reasons. They seem to be about 50 years behind the times. I've had occasion to work with Girl Scouts a few times and I'm always impressed at how innovative they are at teaching girls practical skills while having fun.
What's particularly annoying about these current revelations is that it's a repeat of what we've been hearing about the BSA for years. Like similar institutions that have fostered this behavior, they seem oblivious to what they've done. I don't know how much protest is directed against them. They seem to deflect it well.
Not true, they made a scarecrow for my family at a community fair this past weekend. Although there was a lot of stuffing hay in the clothing, everything seemed on the up and up.
Alright, alright, alright!
Tom O. "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
"In about 400 of those cases — 80% — there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found."
Absolutely horrible...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Five decades ago, seven boys from the near-west suburbs wrote letters alleging in graphic detail how their Boy Scout leader fondled them or others in cars and on camping trips.
Previously secret Boy Scouts of America records show the organization in 1964 kicked out the 21-year-old leader, Robert A. Schindler, but there's no record police were ever notified. And in the 1980s the Scouts decided to give Schindler another chance, this time in McHenry County. Then, records show, he molested another boy.
Schindler's case was one of 39 in metro Chicago — and about 1,200 across the nation — released Thursday by order of an Oregon court as part of a landmark 2010 case against the Boy Scouts. They show how at times, in state after state, decade after decade, Scout leaders quietly shielded adult volunteers from prosecution, in an era when awareness of sexual abuse was rapidly evolving.
The 14,500 pages are a window on a much larger collection of documents the Boy Scouts of America began gathering soon after their founding in 1910. Known internally as the "perversion files," they were kept at Boy Scout headquarters in Texas.
Local Boy Scouts officials declined to directly address the files but noted that the group in recent years has beefed up its policies to protect children.
"We're sorry for anything that's ever happened to a kid that has been harmful," said H. Charles Dobbins, CEO of the Chicago Area Council. "But we are dead serious about doing everything we can to keep our kids safe. It is our No. 1 priority."
The files contain details about proven molesters, but also unsubstantiated allegations. A fraction of the cases merely alleged volunteers were homosexual and did not accuse them of attempting to abuse any Scouts as part of a still-controversial policy to prohibit homosexuals from participating.
A Tribune review shows some metro Chicago files were created merely to document the arrest and conviction of Scouts volunteers, such as former Wood Dale police Sgt. Robert C. Sample. The victim's parents went directly to police in a 1977 case that led to the late Sample's conviction for molesting a child, records show.
"It was a huge scandal at the time, and we took the allegations very seriously," recalled then-Chief Frank Williams.
But other just-released files show how, when Scouts were the first to be notified, they chose to let accused volunteers quietly leave.
Records show how one Cicero scoutmaster admitted to having "relations" with boys in 1965. One of the boys told a Catholic priest that he'd been molested for 11/2 years, and the priest brought the information to the Scouts.
Scout leaders forced out the scoutmaster but let him say he resigned. In a letter to a sponsoring parent-teacher organization, he said he chose to leave for "urgent personal reasons."
And the Boy Scouts of America told the priest it was up to him to contact police, if he wanted.
The Tribune could find no record that the scoutmaster was prosecuted. The newspaper's policy is not to name suspects not arrested or charged. The scoutmaster is in a nursing home, according to his brother, and always denied abusing any children.
It wasn't unusual in that era for Boy Scouts leaders to shun police. An extensive investigation by the Los Angeles Times this year found that the group failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.
But other Chicago cases show how, even if police were notified, little may have been done to investigate allegations. Such was the case of Gary W. Hall.
In 1975, Scouts leaders received two letters from parents whose boys alleged that Hall, then 29, made sexual advances toward the end of a camping trip in Michigan. The letters said Hall punched and sprayed Mace on one of the boys, and both fled to the woods.
A parent said the family filed a police report. It wasn't immediately clear Thursday what happened to that report, but Hall told the Tribune on Thursday that police never contacted him.
Hall, 66 of Roselle, maintained he did nothing wrong except discipline the boys for stealing. He claimed the boys alleged the abuse to retaliate.
He did end up on Illinois sex offenders list, however. That's because, court records show, the FBI caught him in 2004 with child pornography on his computer. Hall told the Tribune he thought it was all adult pornography, but records show he pleaded guilty to distribution-related charges and served four years in prison.
Hall said his blacklisting by the Scouts wasn't fair.
"The main thing is the fact that a good number of the incidents were never really investigated," Hall said. "They're just allegations."
But in other Chicago-area cases, even if cases were investigated, the files show that the Scouts repeatedly let suspected pedophiles volunteer again.
In 1975, just a year after Charles F. Fugate was convicted of a sex crime involving a child, the Scouts allowed him to volunteer. Within two years he had molested an 11-year-old Scout and was imprisoned, records show. He could not be located for comment.
In Schindler's case, the Boy Scouts made an active decision to let him back in after he was accused by the seven boys in 1964 of fondling them or others.
Back in 1964, a Catholic priest had the boys write separate letters of what happened.
But the priest suggested that the boys may have provoked Schindler's actions, so the priest urged that Schindler, then 21, be allowed to remain a volunteer.
A Scouts official wrote back that "it is possible considerable blame should be placed upon the boys themselves" — but said Schindler would be banned — for now.
Officials, citing an unexplained recommendation, let him back in 1981 in the Spring Grove area on a two-year probation. By the fall of 1984, Scouts officials were notified by McHenry County police of an investigation into accusations that Schindler had sexual contact with a boy.
Scouts officials quickly moved to suspend Schindler, who was convicted of aggregated criminal sexual abuse of a boy following his arrest in 1985. Schindler has since died.
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Not really... WTF is wrong with people.
I could rant a good rant but I think I'll save my breath.
Catholic priests molest young boys, and what is done? Not much, the church hides it (because "he has done so much for the community and is a nice guy") and depending on the situation, the priest usually resigns and moves to another town to continue his preying.
Jerry Sandusky molested many young boys, and what did the school do? they hid it as much as they could...'because he has done so much for the school and is a nice guy"-he was an exception, there was so much media attention, and his foundation of people to cover up his crimes crumbled, so he fell.
Boy Scouts of America-such an honored and upstanding organization. Revered leaders are 'forgiven' because they "have done so much for the scouts and is a nice guy". Much like the priests, scout leaders simply move to a new town where they don't know him and he can brag about how much he did for the scouts, and the new scouts immediately trust him.
Seems all these organizations prey on gullible, naive, and trusting people. Reminds me of why I hated my last job, well I didn't hate the job, I hated the people who presented themselves as trustworthy people, but behind closed doors, they were pure evil.
I don't care that said person goes to church every Sunday, it doesn't make up for the fact that they do horrible things to others outside of the church. Why is it okay? Just because they go to church? Any fool can show up at church every Sunday sing a few songs and be forgiven for the 'sins' they commit? Bullshit.
When those that need to be punished are done rightfully so, justice is served, and we are all set free.
- Christopher McCandless
What's particularly annoying about these current revelations is that it's a repeat of what we've been hearing about the BSA for years. Like similar institutions that have fostered this behavior, they seem oblivious to what they've done. I don't know how much protest is directed against them. They seem to deflect it well.
I was a boy scout and an altar boy. I really should head to counselling.
The folks at Penn State invented the crime. Their alumni are a mess and good for nothing...shit wrong thread.
Kid brought Boy Scout info home from school, pitched and and showed him how to tie a knot.
DEGENERATE FUK
This place is dead
"THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015
"Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015
Yes! Get in line!
That's what pisses me off the most.
Not true, they made a scarecrow for my family at a community fair this past weekend. Although there was a lot of stuffing hay in the clothing, everything seemed on the up and up.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Absolutely horrible...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln