Despite threats No Marines guarded our consulate in Libya
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On a target date like the eleventh anniversary of 9/11, it is quite the jaw-dropping revelation to learn that there were no Marines guarding the U. S. consulate where Chris Stevens, our ambassador to Libya, was brutally murdered yesterday:
Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Kendra Motz said that Marines were not posted to the consulate, unlike the embassy in the capital, Tripoli.
A defense official told POLITICO on Wednesday that the Pentagon is sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.
A senior administration official Wednesday called the Benghazi consulate “an interim facility,” which the State Department began using “before the fall of Qadhafi.” It was staffed Tuesday by Libyan and State Department security officers. The consulate came under fire from heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at about 10 p.m. local time on Tuesday. By the time the attack ended several hours later, four Americans were dead and three others had been injured.
The Benghazi consulate had “lock-and-key” security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies. The intelligence source contrasted it with the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt – “a permanent facility, which is a lot easier to defend.” The Cairo embassy also was attacked Tuesday.
This is startling and troubling news, especially in light of the fact that the day before yesterday's attacks, September 10, al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahri made direct threats against Americans in Libya to avenge the death of Abu Yahya al-Libi, a high-ranking al-Qaeda official taken out by an American drone attack last June.
Here you have al-Queda making explicit threats against Americans in Libya and little to no protection for our consulate -- and as a result, four Americans are dead.
Moreover, just hours before the attack ...
[Sean] Smith sent a message to Alex Gianturco, the director of "Goonswarm," Smith's online gaming team or "guild."
“Assuming we don’t die tonight,” the message, which was first reported by Wired, read. “We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”
Within hours of posting that message, Smith, a husband and father of two, was dead. Gianturco, who could not be reached for further comment, got the word out to fellow gamers, according to Wired.
The media will never demand answers for this horrifying news, but hopefully a Congressional investigation will.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012 ... e-In-Libya
More on the attack
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... tack-qaeda
Our guys were sitting ducks and they knew it, at least if there were Marines over there guarding our consulate on the anniversary of 9/11 they would've at least had a chance.
Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Kendra Motz said that Marines were not posted to the consulate, unlike the embassy in the capital, Tripoli.
A defense official told POLITICO on Wednesday that the Pentagon is sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.
A senior administration official Wednesday called the Benghazi consulate “an interim facility,” which the State Department began using “before the fall of Qadhafi.” It was staffed Tuesday by Libyan and State Department security officers. The consulate came under fire from heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at about 10 p.m. local time on Tuesday. By the time the attack ended several hours later, four Americans were dead and three others had been injured.
The Benghazi consulate had “lock-and-key” security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies. The intelligence source contrasted it with the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt – “a permanent facility, which is a lot easier to defend.” The Cairo embassy also was attacked Tuesday.
This is startling and troubling news, especially in light of the fact that the day before yesterday's attacks, September 10, al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahri made direct threats against Americans in Libya to avenge the death of Abu Yahya al-Libi, a high-ranking al-Qaeda official taken out by an American drone attack last June.
Here you have al-Queda making explicit threats against Americans in Libya and little to no protection for our consulate -- and as a result, four Americans are dead.
Moreover, just hours before the attack ...
[Sean] Smith sent a message to Alex Gianturco, the director of "Goonswarm," Smith's online gaming team or "guild."
“Assuming we don’t die tonight,” the message, which was first reported by Wired, read. “We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”
Within hours of posting that message, Smith, a husband and father of two, was dead. Gianturco, who could not be reached for further comment, got the word out to fellow gamers, according to Wired.
The media will never demand answers for this horrifying news, but hopefully a Congressional investigation will.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012 ... e-In-Libya
More on the attack
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... tack-qaeda
Our guys were sitting ducks and they knew it, at least if there were Marines over there guarding our consulate on the anniversary of 9/11 they would've at least had a chance.
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Now....I read this article yesterday. Not sure how credible this blogger is...but a lot of the most damning info is footnoted and seems pretty legit. Any opinions on it are welcome, cause I'm hoping against hope that a lot of this is bullshit. There is more interesting info in pictures and their captions on the blog page linked below.
US-Backed Terrorists Murder US Ambassador in Libya
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/0 ... s-own.html
Murdered US Ambassador exposes US "pro-democracy" foreign policy - same terrorists US backs in Syria are behind the murder of US Ambassador in Libya.
by Tony Cartalucci
Update: The picture below of John McCain in Benghazi, during the violent military subversion of Libya in 2011, includes the now deceased US Ambassador John Christopher Stevens on the right, wearing a blue tie. Stevens has now become a victim of the very terrorists he played a role in creating. The caption below has been edited to reflect this information.
Editor's Note: With Russia openly accusing the West of using Al Qaeda as their direct, militant proxies in Syria and beyond, this latest attempt to purposefully provoke and incite Muslims across the Arab World is an attempt by the West to reestablish the perception that the US and Israel are at war with sectarian extremists, not partnered with them. The film allegedly at the center of the violence, most likely came from the Neo-Con "Clarion Fund" or a project of similar origin.
September 12, 2012 - "I have met with these brave fighters, and they are not Al-Qaeda. To the contrary: They are Libyan patriots who want to liberate their nation. We should help them do it." - Senator John McCain in Benghazi, Libya April 22, 2011.
McCain's "Libyan patriots" have now murdered US Ambassador John Christopher Stevens in the very city McCain spoke these words. An assault on the American consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, the epicenter of not only last year's violent subversion and destruction of sovereign Libya, but a decade's old epicenter of global terrorism, left Ambassador Stevens dead along with reportedly three others.
The violence, Western media claims, stems from an anti-Islamic film produced in the US. In reality, the coordinated nature of the attacks on both the US Embassy in Libya, as well as its embassy in Cairo, Egypt, on the 11th anniversary of 9/11, are most likely using the Neo-Conservative Clarion Fund-esque propaganda film as a false pretense for violence long-planned. The Clarion Fund regularly produces anti-Muslim propaganda, like "Iranium," specifically to maintain a strategy of tension using fear and anger to drive a wedge between Western civilization and Islam to promote perpetual global wars of profit.
NATO Knowingly Handed Libya to Al Qaeda
Indeed, the US Army's West Point Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) noted that Benghazi and the neighboring city of Darnah served a disproportionately high role in supplying foreign fighters to wage terror against the people of Iraq and Afghanistan - foot soldiers brought in to fuel a destructive and divisive sectarian war that undermined a united Sunni-Shi'ia resistance to Western troops who had invaded.
The men McCain was defending were Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) militants, terrorists linked directly with Al Qaeda according to West Point reports (.pdf), and listed to this day by the US State Department, the UK Home Office (.pdf), and the UN as a "foreign terrorist organization." McCain was not only rhetorically supporting listed terrorists, but calling for material support including weapons, funds, training, and air support in direct violation of USC § 2339A & 2339B, "providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations."
These same terrorists are now not only the defacto rulers of much of Libya, but are leading death squads in Syria and arming militants in Mali, an exponential expansion made possible by a non-partisan effort including Republicans and Democrats, as well as Bush-era Neo-Conservatives who concurrently lead both anti-Islam propaganda while leading calls to arm the most radical sectarian extremist groups, including groups directly affiliated with Al Qaeda.
Syria is Next
Not only has US policy been exposed as not "promoting democracy" but purposefully spreading destabilization, violence, and terrorism, but the exact same militants behind the death of the US' own ambassador are literally leading US efforts to visit the same violence, destabilization, and chaos upon Syria.
Reuters, in their article, "Libyan fighters join Syrian revolt," reported, that Mahdi al-Harati, "a powerful militia chief from Libya's western mountains," who is actually a militant of the US, British, and UN listed terrorist organization Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), "now leads a unit in Syria, made up mainly of Syrians but also including some foreign fighters, including 20 senior members of his own Libyan rebel unit." Reuters would go on to explain, "the Libyans aiding the Syrian rebels include specialists in communications, logistics, humanitarian issues and heavy weapons," and that they "operate training bases, teaching fitness and battlefield tactics."
Reuters concedes that the ongoing battle has nothing to do with democracy, but instead is purely a sectarian campaign aimed at "pushing out" Syria's minorities, perceived to be "oppressing" "Sunni Muslims."
Reuters' propaganda piece is rounded off with a Libyan terrorist allegedly threatening that "the militancy would spread across the region as long as the West does not do more to hasten the downfall of Assad," a talking point plucked straight from the halls of America's corporate-financier funded think-tanks. In fact, just such a think-tank, the Foreign Policy Initiative, recently published a statement signed by Bush-era Neo-Conservatives stating:
"America’s national security interests are intertwined with the fate of the Syrian people and the wider region. Indeed, Syria’s escalating conflict now threatens to directly affect the country’s neighbors, including Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Israel, and could provide an opening for terrorist groups like al Qaeda to exploit."
Along with "War on Terror" proponent John McCain, Al Qaeda's LIFG and America's Neo-Con establishment are now operating in tandem, as well as in direct contradiction to a decade of "War on Terror" propaganda. It should be remembered that those who signed this statement, including Elliott Abrams, Max Boot, Ellen Bork, William Kristol, Paul Bremer, Paula Dobriansk, Douglas Feith, Robert Kagan, Clifford D. May, Stephen Rademaker, Michael Weiss, Radwan Ziadeh, were among the very engineers of the fraudulent "War on Terror" that McCain himself is such a fervent supporter of. Radwan Ziadeh, last on the list, is in fact a "Syrian National Council" member - one of several proxies the US State Department is hoping to slip into power in Syria.
Russia, China, Iran, and Others Oppose Terrorism in Syria for a Reason
With Libya's "democratic progress" exposed as only tenuously covering up NATO's creation of a nation-wide safe haven for Al Qaeda terrorists to subsequently be deployed against the West's political enemies across he Arab World and beyond, it will be even more difficult, if not impossible to continue promoting this same "change" in Syria. Libya, through direct action of NATO, has been overrun by terrorists. Syria's government is desperately trying to prevent its people from being likewise overrun.
And even as the US buries its own ambassador, killed by terror brigades it itself armed and thrust into power through covert and direct military intervention, in a nation now wrecked by sectarian and tribal infighting, it insists on replicating its "success" in Syria.
Russia, China, Iran, and a growing number of nations have been opposing this campaign of supranational terrorism - with the death of Ambassador Stevens laying bare the true nature of America's proxy "freedom fighters," the list of global opposition will only grow, leaving only the most shameless and deeply invested to defend America's invasive and bloody foreign policy.
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Come on man, how does this further the debate or conversation at all?? We can all do that - look
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But like I said, who cares, every side is guilty, how does it further anything?
Godfather.
I would have been on the phone every day asking where the hell my marines were.
so who would have given this order ? the commander and chief maybe ? or someone else ?
either way someone screwed the pooch on this one.
Godfather.
or ... things happened because that is what was intended ...
anything is possible but I do love a good conspericy theory and the train is always right on track for that.
Godfather.
and this is why america will forever be perpetually at war somewhere somehow ... when the blatantly obvious is ostracized for the simple reason that people refuse to believe what is clearly evident ...
What is "blatantly" obvious? Please tell.
The raiders met with such little resistance that, after seizing control of the one-story villa in a mere 15 minutes, they unleashed a second assault on a nearby safe house, officials in the U.S. and Libya said Thursday.
The developments unfolded as anti-American violence spread throughout the tense Middle East.
A top Libyan security official suggested that a spy working alongside local security guards told the invaders about the annex where two Americans were killed and two more wounded.
Two of the dead were identified Thursday as former Navy SEALs: Glen Doherty, 42, of Winchester, Mass.; and Tyrone Woods, 41, of Imperial Beach, Calif.
The consulate scene, with the building afire and bullets flying, was so chaotic that Ambassador Chris Stevens disappeared — and wasn’t seen again until his body was returned to U.S. personnel hours later.
American officials confessed they had no idea about his condition when he left the consulate, and believe he was taken to a nearby hospital. His body was later brought to the Benghazi airport.
The attackers made off with sensitive U.S. documents during the wild assault on the consulate, according to The Independent, a British newspaper.
The papers reportedly included a list of Libyans who were working with the U.S.
The revelations about the crazed Tuesday night scene came as Yemeni demonstrators stormed the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, chanting “Death to America!”
Anti-U.S. protests in the volatile region continued in Egypt, Iraq, Iran and the Gaza Strip in the days after the killings on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
In Libya, Deputy Interior Minister Wanis al-Sharef confirmed the killings were planned and perfectly timed.
The murderous militants apparently used civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as their cover to launch the two-part attack on the consulate in Benghazi, said Sharef.
The crowd outside the consulate arrived in three groups: a small number of gunmen, protesters angered by the movie, and heavily armed men in armored vehicles.
As the gunmen fired into the air, the overmatched Libyan security force pulled out, said Sharef.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/fbi ... -1.1158752
If we had marines guarding this consulate anyone think they would've hightailed it out of there and let our guys die?
that war is good business ... and that the threat of war and unrest continues to serve profiteering and economic goals that have been in place for decades ...
orchestrated attacks in both libya and egypt over a film nobody watched!? ... c'mon now ...
Honestly, I'm not sure what I believe happened yet.
I had that same thought when I saw that the Libyan guards left..... I wondered why you would leave it to them.
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We're too short on those, nowadays.
And I was surprised, disappointed, in some of McCain's remarks.
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HE BUILT THIS.
He looks scared. He acts afraid. ...and he is a TOTAL failure.
So glad I don't have to live the rest of my life feeling like a dope b/c I voted for this empty suit.
Wow. You really need to either:
1. stop posting
2. get used to being laughed at
By the way, the photo is real. The caption is a joke. If you are unaware that we supported the Mujahideen (Freedom Fighters) in the Soviet-Afghan conflict, then you need to brush up on some history.
And, usamamasan1 is a troll, and he hijacked this thread with his stupidity. Conservatism has nothing to do with it.
Damn, you are obtuse.
Just think of all the ladies/kids that posed for pictures with OJ.
The lack of security in Benghazi is disheartening, especially after the London envoy was attacked with a rocket.
It's rather difficult to pin down blame for this, but the fact that individuals, including Stevens, raised red flags that went relatively unnoticed is strange.
I guess when you have an endless number of diplomatic outposts around the globe, some communication gets lost. Also, being that times are the way they are, there is no reason that troops, in this case aboard a military ship in the Mediterranean, should be far from our outposts.
IN any case, we are dealing with religious fundamentalists, brainwashed fools whose incitement to riot is as difficult to gauge as a child's tantrum.
C'mon, isn't it time you grow up and stop bullying?
Be better than than those that taught you how to be this way. Rise above it...
I'm not bullying, I'm trying to help. You sound more like an ignorant individual with every post.
Good bye.
some of these muslims need to lighten the fuck up. do you think you've got the only religion that's been made fun of on youtube? fuck. :x
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No, a bully is EXACTLY what you are being. And just like in other threads, you troll, you post pics, you attack and name-call, and then you leave- and troll in another thread.
Calling people ignorant again.... and running away.
You are a BULLY-TROLL. foe.
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Topic derailed. No time to finish cleaning it up. This one is done.
OP, if you'd like to restart the original topic, go ahead. Hope it stays on topic though.