Every Picture Tells a Story, Don't it?

keeponrockin

markin ball wrote:

I got no beef with his immediate reaction. He was probably told by the secret service to stay put and be cool, anyway (sorry, I haven't seen the doc on this). I'd say critiquing his long term response to the situation would be a better use of our time.

This.

Godfather.

And do what? Seriously. Do what? The info anyone had was essentilly zilch at the time. No one knew what the hell was going on. Just take yourself back to that day and remember the confusion. Again I ask, what should he have done?

what..? no real answer's ? and what Bush did do you guys whine moan and complain...shit I remember on a thread way back some of you guy's actually deffended the group (pieces of shit) that did the attack and now your bitching about 9 min's ???wtf ? ..he wassn't sitting at home or in the oval office wearing a pair of burkenstocks and smoking a joint...fuck I can't believe this..9 fuckin min's that's it he was at a freakin grade school what the fuck do you think would be done from a grade school full of children...maybe he would jump and call to the military "find the bad guy's and kill em all"...yeah that's it get the kid's upset and scared :?
DS1119 I agree with you.

Godfather.

Godfather.

good read.

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/ ... with-iran/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. wrote:

And do what? Seriously. Do what? The info anyone had was essentilly zilch at the time. No one knew what the hell was going on. Just take yourself back to that day and remember the confusion. Again I ask, what should he have done?

what..? no real answer's ? and what Bush did do you guys whine moan and complain...shit I remember on a thread way back some of you guy's actually deffended the group (pieces of shit) that did the attack and now your bitching about 9 min's ???wtf ? ..he wassn't sitting at home or in the oval office wearing a pair of burkenstocks and smoking a joint...fuck I can't believe this..9 fuckin min's that's it he was at a freakin grade school what the fuck do you think would be done from a grade school full of children...maybe he would jump and call to the military "find the bad guy's and kill em all"...yeah that's it get the kid's upset and scared :?
DS1119 I agree with you.

Godfather.

Come on. Considering your country was just attacked... it was more than appropriate to excuse himself from the little sitdown and begin taking command of the situation. The fact that it took him 9 minutes to gather himself reflects how poor a leader he was (still elected for two terms given people's propensity to stick by their party regardless of the appropriateness for their choice).

rollings

DS1119 wrote:

rollings wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Given the enormity of that situation, I'd cut him (any president) a shitload of slack when being given such catastrophic news.

Nah. Even I think I could have mustered up an "excuse me, class"

Perhaps you should watch the documentaries about that day he spent at the school and such and what he was told and how he acted and why? They replay quite often on The History Channel especially around this time of year.

Nothing that guy could have whispered to me about "staying put" would have stopped me from not excusing myself to go get more information or start discussing what to do.

Now, that's just me....please note that I am not the "Commander in Chief"

FattyFatCat

rollings wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Given the enormity of that situation, I'd cut him (any president) a shitload of slack when being given such catastrophic news.

Nah. Even I think I could have mustered up an "excuse me, class"

The real question, is would you have used a teleprompter?

rollings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psYQl2wmgyU

...keeping things pearl jamish...

ComeToTX

If you think this was a huge shock out of nowhere you should probably read the 9/11 report. There was ample evidence that they knew about that STRONGLY suggested terrorists were intent on using planes for a terrorist attack.

tybird

Bushie is a dick, and I have very little respect for him as a leader, president or a person. However, he did the right thing. Finish the photo op with the kids. Their day was about to get dark enough. Discretion is the better part of valor especially when your travel plans and routine have just blown up. The Secret Service was probably not sure as to where they wanted to take him or how they were going to get there. That being said, he started fucking up after he left the room.

tybird

This picture makes me wonder.....who was FDR with when he first heard of the attack on Pearl Harbor....his mistress or his sea-hag of a wife?

BinauralJam

tybird wrote:

This picture makes me wonder.....who was FDR with when he first heard of the attack on Pearl Harbor....his mistress or his sea-hag of a wife?

Eleanor was having her fun on the side as well.

rollings

ComeToTX wrote:

If you think this was a huge shock out of nowhere you should probably read the 9/11 report. There was ample evidence that they knew about that STRONGLY suggested terrorists were intent on using planes for a terrorist attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opini ... nings.html

IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

“The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.

And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track.

Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in interviews. The suggestion was batted down, they said, because there would be no time to train anyone else.

That same day in Chechnya, according to intelligence I reviewed, Ibn Al-Khattab, an extremist who was known for his brutality and his links to Al Qaeda, told his followers that there would soon be very big news. Within 48 hours, an intelligence official told me, that information was conveyed to the White House, providing more data supporting the C.I.A.’s warnings. Still, the alarm bells didn’t sound.

On July 24, Mr. Bush was notified that the attack was still being readied, but that it had been postponed, perhaps by a few months. But the president did not feel the briefings on potential attacks were sufficient, one intelligence official told me, and instead asked for a broader analysis on Al Qaeda, its aspirations and its history. In response, the C.I.A. set to work on the Aug. 6 brief.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

Could the 9/11 attack have been stopped, had the Bush team reacted with urgency to the warnings contained in all of those daily briefs? We can’t ever know. And that may be the most agonizing reality of all.

rollings

So...if Bush & Co. was that paralyzed with all the warrnings of the attack, just what reaction could be expected when news of the actual attack arrived? same thing...not much of a reaction at all.

now take your shoes off in the airport. and no drinks either, please, thank you. That's great.

ComeToTX

rollings wrote:

So...if Bush & Co. was that paralyzed with all the warrnings of the attack, just what reaction could be expected when news of the actual attack arrived? same thing...not much of a reaction at all.

now take your shoes off in the airport. and no drinks either, please, thank you. That's great.

And don't stop shopping. We need you to keep shopping. What a group of clowns.

DS1119

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

I don't know. Maybe be commander in chief and excuse yourself and find out wtf is going on?

thumb in your ass isn't the raction I would expect of anybody in charge.

His staff was trying to figure out what was going on. He also gave a press conference from that school room very shortly after. Two buildings were just hit by two planes minutes before he was told. There were still unaccounted planes in the air. One plane was still yet to hit the Pentagon and yet another to go down in Penssylvania. What seriously did you expect him to do from an elementary school in FLorida? And he was in charge. He let his staff do what they do, let his security do what they do, and remain a powerful and calm leader in a very tragic and confusing time. On a side note, you do realize that Obama had over six hours to prepare for his huge press conference when the US government took out Osama. A press conference conveniently given to interupt DOnald Trump's Celebrity Apprentice (conveniently when Trump was toying with the idea of joining the Prez race and attacking obama and where he was born).

Exactly. He let his staff do what they did his entire term- run the show. Hardly a leader. A puppet for big business. We know where your party loyalties lie... but you sure lose credibility when you try to defend that pathetic bit of history.

I'm pretty sure every President has a staff...including the Big O. :?

ComeToTX

Documents show the U.S. was given more warnings about potential terrorist attacks in the weeks leading up to 9/11, writes Vanity Fair contributing editor Kurt Eichenwald in a New York Times op-ed.

The documents predate the presidential daily briefing on Aug. 6, 2001, which said, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”

“The administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed,” he wrote. “In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.”

The direct warnings to Bush, he writes, date back to the spring of 2001. On May 1, the CIA told the White House that there was “a group presently in the United States” that was planning an attack. On June 22, a daily briefing described the attack as "imminent." Administration officials, however, dismissed the warnings, saying that Osama bin Laden was merely feigning an attack to distract the U.S. from efforts against Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
“Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day,” Eichenwald wrote. “In response, the CIA prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.”

Briefings on June 29, July 1, and July 24 carried similar warnings. On July 9, Eichenwald writes, one official suggested staff members of the CIA Counterterrorism Center “put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place.”

“[The Bush administration] got this information and they weren't looking at it in the context of here's this huge threat that's developed,” Eichenwald said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “Look at what the Pentagon said, ‘What's the nation state that's backing them? Oh, we think it's Iraq.’ And so, it was a frame of mind that was not unreasonable for them to have because they hadn't been getting the intelligence until very recently about the evolution and change of al-Qaida.”

Eichenwald, however, was criticized by former New York Gov. George Pataki, a Republican, for writing the piece.

“I think this is incredibly unfortunate,” he said on Morning Joe, adding that, "I think is incredibly unfair and a disservice to history.”

Eichenwald wrote a book, “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars,” describing the intelligence briefings and actions taken by the Bush administration before and after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

DriftingByTheStorm

ComeToTX wrote:

He was told “A second plane hit the second Tower. America is under attack" and he sat there for 9 minutes.

If you actually WATCH that clip ...

there is

NO

WAY

that is what he was told.
Unless it was the Micro Machines guy speed saying it.

ComeToTX

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

He was told “A second plane hit the second Tower. America is under attack" and he sat there for 9 minutes.

If you actually WATCH that clip ...

there is

NO

WAY

that is what he was told.
Unless it was the Micro Machines guy speed saying it.

I just saw Andy Card on tv say that's exactly what he told him. He knew going in the first tower was hit so he tells him the second tower is hit and he sits there. No matter what was said it was clear he knew the impact and he sat there.

BinauralJam

Guilani sure didn't sit on his ass for 9 minutes

DriftingByTheStorm

ComeToTX wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

He was told “A second plane hit the second Tower. America is under attack" and he sat there for 9 minutes.

If you actually WATCH that clip ...

there is

NO

WAY

that is what he was told.
Unless it was the Micro Machines guy speed saying it.

I just saw Andy Card on tv say that's exactly what he told him. He knew going in the first tower was hit so he tells him the second tower is hit and he sits there. No matter what was said it was clear he knew the impact and he sat there.

Oh i know its what they SAY he was told ...'
you be the judge:
play this clip
leave time before speaking for the lean in, and also for the lean out.
Cram all those words in to that spot. It comes out just a "wee bit" fast.

Also.
I know we all like to cut Bush slack for "being an idiot", but I find this a bit beyond the pale:
"I Saw The First Plane Hit The Tower On A TV Outside The Classroom" ... i mean, if you chalk this up to typical Bush dumbness, fine ... but it is a pretty elaborately constructed, completely false, statement. He doesn't just, kind've imply something here, he explicitly states he "saw the plane hit" "ON A TV" "outside the classroom".
Jeez. With a memory like that Mr. President.
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