MITT ROMNEY. SUCCESS. By Marco Rubio

usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
edited September 2012 in A Moving Train
We are blessed that a man like this will soon be the President of the United States.

Obama isn't a bad person, he is just a bad President. Backwards.

Tired and old big govt ideas. The kind people come to America to get AWAY from.
Emoticon

Hope and Change has become divide and conquer.

My fellow Americans, we are a uniquely blessed people. The last few years have tested the faith of too many Americans.

You want to believe we are that special place. We are always about new beginnings. Life in America can be better than its ever been.

We are special because dreams impossible anywhere else, they come true here. That's OUR story.


Tomorrow is better than yesterday

Change direction of our country and our children will be the most prosperous EVER. The story of our time will be written by AMERICANS who have not even been born.

Woot
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    edited August 2012
    Changing direction... pointing the bombs straight towards Iran.
  • ryph raphryph raph Posts: 887
    Yes !!!!!! Let us vote back in the party that started all this trouble in the first place. Lets give the republicans a 2nd chance to finish destoying the America as we know it.Don't worry your god loves idiots too. :mrgreen:
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    You sound like Obama.
    Emoticon

    Blame. "we inherited this mess"

    Emoticon.

    Woot
  • PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    You sound like Obama.
    Emoticon

    Blame. "we inherited this mess"

    Emoticon.

    Woot
    Obama has been a bad President?
    Question sir:
    Are we still losing 750,000 jobs PER MONTH like we were with Bush? (Uh, NO)
    Did the stock market go from 8300+ to 13000+ under Obama? (YES)
    Is Bin Laden dead? (YES)
    Are unjustified ridiculous wars that Bush started ending? (YES)
    How's your 401k doing from the time Bush was in office to now under Obama's administration? (Better!)
    We are "blessed" to have a man come into office that believe in magic bloomers and that his God lives on a planet near a star called Kolob?
    Wow, keep drinking the Kool Aid - and Romney has no chance btw...
    wow
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    We are blessed that a man like this will soon be the President of the United States.

    Obama isn't a bad person, he is just a bad President. Backwards.

    Tired and old big govt ideas. The kind people come to America to get AWAY from.
    Emoticon

    Hope and Change has become divide and conquer.

    My fellow Americans, we are a uniquely blessed people. The last few years have tested the faith of too many Americans.

    You want to believe we are that special place. We are always about new beginnings. Life in America can be better than its ever been.

    We are special because dreams impossible anywhere else, they come true here. That's OUR story.


    Tomorrow is better than yesterday

    Change direction of our country and our children will be the most prosperous EVER. The story of our time will be written by AMERICANS who have not even been born.

    Woot

    I just find it funny that he says that Americans are uniquely blessed people. what does that even mean? in which ways are they UNIQUELY blessed? can you give me an example?
  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,870
    fife wrote:
    We are blessed that a man like this will soon be the President of the United States.

    Obama isn't a bad person, he is just a bad President. Backwards.

    Tired and old big govt ideas. The kind people come to America to get AWAY from.
    Emoticon

    Hope and Change has become divide and conquer.

    My fellow Americans, we are a uniquely blessed people. The last few years have tested the faith of too many Americans.

    You want to believe we are that special place. We are always about new beginnings. Life in America can be better than its ever been.

    We are special because dreams impossible anywhere else, they come true here. That's OUR story.


    Tomorrow is better than yesterday

    Change direction of our country and our children will be the most prosperous EVER. The story of our time will be written by AMERICANS who have not even been born.

    Woot

    I just find it funny that he says that Americans are uniquely blessed people. what does that even mean? in which ways are they UNIQUELY blessed? can you give me an example?

    As an American, this entitled attitude that many of my fellow citizens have, really bugs the shit out of me.
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    ComeToTX wrote:
    fife wrote:
    We are blessed that a man like this will soon be the President of the United States.

    Obama isn't a bad person, he is just a bad President. Backwards.

    Tired and old big govt ideas. The kind people come to America to get AWAY from.
    Emoticon

    Hope and Change has become divide and conquer.

    My fellow Americans, we are a uniquely blessed people. The last few years have tested the faith of too many Americans.

    You want to believe we are that special place. We are always about new beginnings. Life in America can be better than its ever been.

    We are special because dreams impossible anywhere else, they come true here. That's OUR story.


    Tomorrow is better than yesterday

    Change direction of our country and our children will be the most prosperous EVER. The story of our time will be written by AMERICANS who have not even been born.

    Woot

    I just find it funny that he says that Americans are uniquely blessed people. what does that even mean? in which ways are they UNIQUELY blessed? can you give me an example?

    As an American, this entitled attitude that many of my fellow citizens have, really bugs the shit out of me.

    I understand that this is a speech to rally the voters but why say uniquely? I would agree that Americans are blessed, but i would also say that about many countries in the world.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    PJFAN13 wrote:
    You sound like Obama.
    Emoticon

    Blame. "we inherited this mess"

    Emoticon.

    Woot
    Obama has been a bad President?
    Question sir:
    Are we still losing 750,000 jobs PER MONTH like we were with Bush? (Uh, NO)
    Did the stock market go from 8300+ to 13000+ under Obama? (YES)
    Is Bin Laden dead? (YES)
    Are unjustified ridiculous wars that Bush started ending? (YES)
    How's your 401k doing from the time Bush was in office to now under Obama's administration? (Better!)
    We are "blessed" to have a man come into office that believe in magic bloomers and that his God lives on a planet near a star called Kolob?
    Wow, keep drinking the Kool Aid - and Romney has no chance btw...
    wow

    ??????? seems you have drinken the cool aid,do you think obama just snapped his fingers and made all those things happen in a few short years ?...alll by himself ? sense you have been so forward and kind of rude let me tell you how it is, obama did shit..you could as easly say all these things happened because of my patriotic wonderfulness as a American citizen...with proof of citizenship btw.. :lol:
    just chill out,I don't see obama winning this time but who knows ? so there is no need to get all butt hurt yet.

    Godfather.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Godfather. wrote:
    PJFAN13 wrote:
    You sound like Obama.
    Emoticon

    Blame. "we inherited this mess"

    Emoticon.

    Woot
    Obama has been a bad President?
    Question sir:
    Are we still losing 750,000 jobs PER MONTH like we were with Bush? (Uh, NO)
    Did the stock market go from 8300+ to 13000+ under Obama? (YES)
    Is Bin Laden dead? (YES)
    Are unjustified ridiculous wars that Bush started ending? (YES)
    How's your 401k doing from the time Bush was in office to now under Obama's administration? (Better!)
    We are "blessed" to have a man come into office that believe in magic bloomers and that his God lives on a planet near a star called Kolob?
    Wow, keep drinking the Kool Aid - and Romney has no chance btw...
    wow

    ??????? seems you have drinken the cool aid,do you think obama just snapped his fingers and made all those things happen in a few short years ?...alll by himself ? sense you have been so forward and kind of rude let me tell you how it is, obama did shit..you could as easly say all these things happened because of my patriotic wonderfulness as a American citizen...with proof of citizenship btw.. :lol:
    just chill out,I don't see obama winning this time but who knows ? so there is no need to get all butt hurt yet.

    Godfather.

    to be fair, i don't think the person said that obama did that all by himself. but i will also say that Obama didn't make everything bad himself either.

    It does seem that both sides like to say that the other side did something wrong when something doesn't work out but when something does workout we still don't give the credit.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    fife, true enough.

    Godfather.
  • PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    WOW - chill out Godfather - no "rudeness" coming out of me at ALL.
    Clearly stating facts!
    Never said Obama did it by himself - show me where I said that -- c'mon man...it takes a nation...
    Jeez - that's the problem with this place, you can't state facts without people jumping all over it and throwing accusatory statements all over...
    I'm INDY - I'm waiting for a side to pry my vote
    Mitt failed so far...just like I'm allowed to believe his Mormon beliefs alone make me think it is going to be hard to capture a majority of the vote - you sir are allowed to believe Obama can lose to this guy - free country right?
    We'll see how the DNC plays out
    Butt hurt? Not me dude. INFORMED - something you should look into being.
    Respectfully,
    pjfan13.
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  • PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    Godfather. wrote:
    ,I don't see obama winning this time but who knows ?
    Godfather.
    http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/aug/31/sd ... ey-mormon/

    You are in SD right? I am too. Here's a professor in our backyard - who's a Mormon - who WILL NOT be voting for Mitt.
    Can't get the vote of a Mormon woman. You know who else he's not getting the vote from? Woman that heard this DIRECT QUOTE come out of his mouth: "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest only, when it directly affects the health and life of the mother." He does NOT have the right to tell women what to do with their body.
    How about the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act? When asked about it Mitt said “we’ll get back to you on that.” If equal pay for equal work isn’t a no-brainer, what is? Where does Obama stand on the issue? The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was the first piece of legislation he signed as president.

    How about the youth that are voting? How many do you know that are openly campaigning and endorsing Mitt?

    If you "don't see" Obama winning (my guess here is you don't WANT him to win) who do you see winning, sir?
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    PJFAN13 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    ,I don't see obama winning this time but who knows ?
    Godfather.
    http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/aug/31/sd ... ey-mormon/

    You are in SD right? I am too. Here's a professor in our backyard - who's a Mormon - who WILL NOT be voting for Mitt.
    Can't get the vote of a Mormon woman. You know who else he's not getting the vote from? Woman that heard this DIRECT QUOTE come out of his mouth: "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest only, when it directly affects the health and life of the mother." He does NOT have the right to tell women what to do with their body.
    How about the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act? When asked about it Mitt said “we’ll get back to you on that.” If equal pay for equal work isn’t a no-brainer, what is? Where does Obama stand on the issue? The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was the first piece of legislation he signed as president.

    How about the youth that are voting? How many do you know that are openly campaigning and endorsing Mitt?

    If you "don't see" Obama winning (my guess here is you don't WANT him to win) who do you see winning, sir?

    I agree a woman should have the right to do to HER body what she wants. But,
    It's not the woman's body that is getting ripped apart by being sucked out into a container, burnt with saline, or what ever method they use. It is not the woman's body that is being terminated. Is it? Fighting for abortion using that line makes no sense.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,420
    We are blessed that a man like this will soon be the President of the United States.

    Obama isn't a bad person, he is just a bad President. Backwards.

    Tired and old big govt ideas. The kind people come to America to get AWAY from.
    Emoticon

    Hope and Change has become divide and conquer.

    My fellow Americans, we are a uniquely blessed people. The last few years have tested the faith of too many Americans.

    You want to believe we are that special place. We are always about new beginnings. Life in America can be better than its ever been.

    We are special because dreams impossible anywhere else, they come true here. That's OUR story.


    Tomorrow is better than yesterday

    Change direction of our country and our children will be the most prosperous EVER. The story of our time will be written by AMERICANS who have not even been born.

    Woot

    This all might sound good (well, sort of) on the surface but it reads like we're on another planet- or at least not a part of the one we're on. Does that make sense?
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,769
    What was that? Mitt Romney SuxAss by Marco Rubio?
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  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    We are blessed that a man like this will soon be the President of the United States.

    Obama isn't a bad person, he is just a bad President. Backwards.

    Tired and old big govt ideas. The kind people come to America to get AWAY from.
    Emoticon

    Hope and Change has become divide and conquer.

    My fellow Americans, we are a uniquely blessed people. The last few years have tested the faith of too many Americans.

    You want to believe we are that special place. We are always about new beginnings. Life in America can be better than its ever been.

    We are special because dreams impossible anywhere else, they come true here. That's OUR story.


    Tomorrow is better than yesterday

    Change direction of our country and our children will be the most prosperous EVER. The story of our time will be written by AMERICANS who have not even been born.

    Woot

    I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make, when you say uniquly blessed - compared to whom?

    Dreams that are impossible anywhere else?? again could you pls elaborate?

    I'm not from America, yet I could say the same for my own country, and many others for that matter. Forgive me for saying; but it seems a very very small minded notion to have. Like it or not, America really isn't that different from a lot of other nations, on the surface at least.

    Do you think that other nationalities do not also think the same of their own countries? what makes you more right than them?

    Interested in your thoughts
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited September 2012
    I would like to know what country you are from? Why did you not mention that?

    Anyway, since this is related to America, I think I would like to answer your question with the recent words by Condoleeza Rice. Enjoy

    ... RICE:  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you very
    much. Thank you.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Thank you so much.  Good evening.
       Good evening, distinguished delegates.  Good evening,
    fellow Republicans.  Good evening, my fellow Americans.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We gather here at a time of significance and challenge.
    This young century has been a difficult one.  I can remember as
    if it were yesterday when my young assistants came into my
    office at the White House to say that a plane had hit the World
    Trade Center, and then, a second plane, and then a third plane,
    the Pentagon.  And later, we would learn that a plane had
    crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, driven into the ground by
    brave souls who died so that others might live.
       (APPLAUSE)
       From that day on -- from that day on, our sense of
    vulnerability and our concepts of security were never the same
    again.
       Then, in 2008, the global financial and economic crisis
    would stun us.  And it still reverberates as we deal with
    unemployment and economic uncertainty and bad policies that cast
    a pall over an American economy and a recovery that is
    desperately needed at home and abroad.
       And we have seen -- we have seen that the desire for
    liberty and freedom is, indeed, universal, as men and women in
    the Middle East rise up to seize it.  Yet, the promise of the
    Arab spring is engulfed in uncertainty, internal strife, and
    hostile neighbors our challenging the young, fragile democracy
    of Iraq.  Dictators in Iran and Syria butcher their people and
    threat to regional security.  Russia and China prevent a
    response, and everyone asks, where does America stand?
       (APPLAUSE)
       Indeed -- indeed, that is the question of the hour.  Where
    does America stand?  You see when the friends or foes alike
    don't know the answer to that question, unambiguously and
    clearly, the world is likely to be a more dangerous and chaotic
    place.
       Since world war ii, the United States has had an answer to
    that question.  We stand for free peoples and free markets.  We
    will defend and support them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We will sustain a balance of power that favors freedom.
       Now, to be sure, the burdens of leadership have been heavy.
    I know, as you do, the sacrifice of Americans, especially the
    sacrifice of many of our bravest in the ultimate sacrifice, but
    our armed forces are the surest shield and foundation of
    liberty, and we are so fortunate that we have men and women in
    uniform who volunteer, they volunteer to defend us at the front
    lines of freedom, and we owe them our eternal gratitude.
       (APPLAUSE)
       I know too it has not always been easy though it has been
    rewarding to speak for those who otherwise do not have a voice.
    The religious dissident in China, the democracy advocate in
    Venezuela, the political prisoner in Iran.
    It has been hard to muster the resources to support
    fledgling democracies and to intervene on behalf of the most
    desperate.  The AIDS orphans in Uganda, the refugee fleeing
    Zimbabwe, the young woman who has been trafficked into the sex
    trade in Southeast Asia.  It has been hard, yet this assistance
    together with the compassionate work of private charities,
    people of conscience and people of faith, has shown the soul of
    our country.  And I know too -- I know too there is a wariness.
    I know that it feels as if we have carried these burdens long
    enough.  But we can only know that there is no choice, because
    one of two things will happen if we don't lead. Either no one
    will lead and there will be chaos, or someone will fill the
    vacuum who does not share our values.
       My fellow Americans, we do not have a choice.  We cannot be
    reluctant to lead and you cannot lead from behind.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality.  Our
    well- being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably
    linked.  They know what to do.  They know that our friends and
    allies must again be able to trust us.  From Israel to Columbia,
    from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to
    know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined.
    And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because
    peace really does come through strength.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Our military capability and our technological advantage
    will be safe in Mitt Romney's hands.  We must work for an open,
    global economy, and pursue free and fair trade, to grow our
    exports and our influence abroad.  If you are worried about the
    rise of China, just consider this -- the United States has
    negotiated -- the United States has ratified only three trade
    agreements in the last few years, and those were negotiated in
    the Bush administration.
       China has signed 15 free trade agreements and is in the
    progress of negotiating as many as 18 more.  Sadly, we are
    abandoning the field of free and fair trade and it will come
    back to haunt us.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must not allow the chance to attain energy independence
    to slip from our grasp.  We are blessed with a gift of oil and
    gas resources here in North America, and we must develop them.
    We can develop them sensitively, we can develop them securing
    our environment, but we must develop them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we have the ingenuity to develop alternatives sources
    of energy.  Most importantly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will
    rebuild the foundation of our strength, the American economy --
    stimulating private sector growth and stimulating small business
    entrepreneurship.
       (APPLAUSE)
       When the world looks at us today, they see an American
    government that cannot live within its means.  They see an
    American government that continues to borrow money, that will
    mortgage the future of generations to come.  The world knows
    that when a nation loses control of its finances, it eventually
    loses control of its destiny.
    That is not the America that has inspired people to
    follow our lead.
       (APPLAUSE)
       After all, when the world looks to America, they look to us
    because we are the most successful economic and political
    experiment in human history.  That is the true basis of American
    exceptionalism. You see, the essence of America, what really
    unites us, is not nationality or ethnicity or religion.  It is
    an idea.  And what an idea it is.  That you can come from humble
    circumstances and you can do great things, that it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My fellow Americans, ours has never been a narrative of
    grievance and entitlement.  We have never believed that I am
    doing poorly because you are doing well.  We have never been
    jealous of one another and never envious of each others'
    successes.
       (APPLAUSE)
       No, no, ours has been a belief in opportunity.  And it has
    been a constant struggle, long and hard, up and down, to try to
    extend the benefits of the American dream to all.  But that
    American ideal is indeed in danger today.  There is no country,
    no, not even a rising China that can do more harm to us than we
    can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work before us here
    at home.
       (APPLAUSE)
       More than at any other time in history, greatness is built
    on mobilizing human potential and ambition.  We have always done
    that better than any country in the world.  People have come
    here from all over because they have believed our creed of
    opportunity and limitless horizons.
       They have come here from the world's most impoverished
    nations just to make a decent wage.  And they have come here
    from advanced societies as engineers and scientists that fuel
    the knowledge-based revolution in the Silicon Valley of
    California, in the Research Triangle of North Carolina, along
    Route 128 in Massachusetts, in Austin, Texas, and across this
    great land.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must continue to welcome the world's most ambitious
    people to be a part of us.  In that way, we stay young and
    optimistic and determined.  We need immigration laws that
    protect our borders, meet our economic needs, and yet show that
    we are a compassionate nation of immigrants.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We have been successful too because Americans have known
    that one's status of birth is not a permanent condition.
    Americans have believed that you might not be able to control
    your circumstances but you can control your response to your
    circumstances.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And your greatest ally in controlling your response to your
    circumstances has been a quality education.  But today, today,
    when I can look at your zip code and I can tell whether you're
    going to get a good education, can I honestly say it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going?  The
    crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric of who
    we are.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My mom was a teacher.  I respect the profession.  We need
    great teachers, not poor ones and not mediocre ones.  We have to
    have high standards for our kids, because self-esteem comes from
    achievement, not from lax standards and false praise.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we need to give parents greater choice, particularly,
    particularly poor parents whose kids, very often minorities, are
    trapped in failing neighborhood schools.  This is the civil
    rights issue of our day.
       (APPLAUSE)
       If we do anything less, we can damage generations to
    joblessness and hopelessness and life on the government dole
    (ph).  If we do anything less, we will endanger our global
    imperatives for competitiveness.  And if we do anything less, we
    will tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement the turn
    toward entitlement and grievance.
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild us at home.  And
    they will help us lead abroad.  They will provide an answer to
    the question, ``where does America stand?''  The challenge is real
    and the times are hard.  But America has met and overcome hard
    challenges before.
       Whenever you find yourself a doubting us, just think about
    all those times that America made impossible seemed inevitable
    in retrospect.  Our revolutionary founding act as the greatest
    military power of the time, a civil war, brother against
    brother, hundreds of thousands dead on both sides, but we
    emerged a more perfect union.  A second founding when inpatient
    patriots were determined to overcome the birth defect of slavery
    and the scourge of segregation.
       A long struggle against communism with the soviets even --
    the soviet union's collapse and in the aftermath of 9/11, the
    willingness to take hard, hard decisions that toward us and
    prevented the follow on attack that everybody thought
    preordained.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And on a personal note, a little girl grows up in Jim Crow
    Birmingham.  The segregated city of the south where her parents
    cannot take her to a movie theater or to restaurants, but they
    have convinced that even if she cannot have it hamburger at
    Woolworths, she can be the president of the United States if she
    wanted to be, and she becomes the secretary of state.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Yes, yes.  Yes.  Yes, America has a way of making the
    impossible seemed inevitable in retrospect, but we know it was
    never inevitable. It took leadership.  And it took courage.  And
    it's a belief that our values.  Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have
    the integrity and the experience and the vision to lead us.
    They know who we are.  They know who we want to be.  They know
    who we are in the world and what we offer.
       That is why -- that is why this is a moment and an election
    of consequence.  Because it just has to be that the freest most
    compassionate country on the face of the earth will continue to
    be the most powerful and the beacon for prosperity and the party
    across the world.
       God bless you and God bless this extraordinary country,
    this exceptional country:  The United States of America.




    America, we can back up our claims and shit

    WoOt
    Post edited by usamamasan1 on
  • I would like to know what country you are from? Why did you not mention that?

    Anyway, since this is related to America, I think I would like to answer your question with the recent words by Condoleeza Rice. Enjoy

    ... RICE:  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you very
    much. Thank you.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Thank you so much.  Good evening.
       Good evening, distinguished delegates.  Good evening,
    fellow Republicans.  Good evening, my fellow Americans.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We gather here at a time of significance and challenge.
    This young century has been a difficult one.  I can remember as
    if it were yesterday when my young assistants came into my
    office at the White House to say that a plane had hit the World
    Trade Center, and then, a second plane, and then a third plane,
    the Pentagon.  And later, we would learn that a plane had
    crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, driven into the ground by
    brave souls who died so that others might live.
       (APPLAUSE)
       From that day on -- from that day on, our sense of
    vulnerability and our concepts of security were never the same
    again.
       Then, in 2008, the global financial and economic crisis
    would stun us.  And it still reverberates as we deal with
    unemployment and economic uncertainty and bad policies that cast
    a pall over an American economy and a recovery that is
    desperately needed at home and abroad.
       And we have seen -- we have seen that the desire for
    liberty and freedom is, indeed, universal, as men and women in
    the Middle East rise up to seize it.  Yet, the promise of the
    Arab spring is engulfed in uncertainty, internal strife, and
    hostile neighbors our challenging the young, fragile democracy
    of Iraq.  Dictators in Iran and Syria butcher their people and
    threat to regional security.  Russia and China prevent a
    response, and everyone asks, where does America stand?
       (APPLAUSE)
       Indeed -- indeed, that is the question of the hour.  Where
    does America stand?  You see when the friends or foes alike
    don't know the answer to that question, unambiguously and
    clearly, the world is likely to be a more dangerous and chaotic
    place.
       Since world war ii, the United States has had an answer to
    that question.  We stand for free peoples and free markets.  We
    will defend and support them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We will sustain a balance of power that favors freedom.
       Now, to be sure, the burdens of leadership have been heavy.
    I know, as you do, the sacrifice of Americans, especially the
    sacrifice of many of our bravest in the ultimate sacrifice, but
    our armed forces are the surest shield and foundation of
    liberty, and we are so fortunate that we have men and women in
    uniform who volunteer, they volunteer to defend us at the front
    lines of freedom, and we owe them our eternal gratitude.
       (APPLAUSE)
       I know too it has not always been easy though it has been
    rewarding to speak for those who otherwise do not have a voice.
    The religious dissident in China, the democracy advocate in
    Venezuela, the political prisoner in Iran.
    It has been hard to muster the resources to support
    fledgling democracies and to intervene on behalf of the most
    desperate.  The AIDS orphans in Uganda, the refugee fleeing
    Zimbabwe, the young woman who has been trafficked into the sex
    trade in Southeast Asia.  It has been hard, yet this assistance
    together with the compassionate work of private charities,
    people of conscience and people of faith, has shown the soul of
    our country.  And I know too -- I know too there is a wariness.
    I know that it feels as if we have carried these burdens long
    enough.  But we can only know that there is no choice, because
    one of two things will happen if we don't lead. Either no one
    will lead and there will be chaos, or someone will fill the
    vacuum who does not share our values.
       My fellow Americans, we do not have a choice.  We cannot be
    reluctant to lead and you cannot lead from behind.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality.  Our
    well- being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably
    linked.  They know what to do.  They know that our friends and
    allies must again be able to trust us.  From Israel to Columbia,
    from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to
    know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined.
    And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because
    peace really does come through strength.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Our military capability and our technological advantage
    will be safe in Mitt Romney's hands.  We must work for an open,
    global economy, and pursue free and fair trade, to grow our
    exports and our influence abroad.  If you are worried about the
    rise of China, just consider this -- the United States has
    negotiated -- the United States has ratified only three trade
    agreements in the last few years, and those were negotiated in
    the Bush administration.
       China has signed 15 free trade agreements and is in the
    progress of negotiating as many as 18 more.  Sadly, we are
    abandoning the field of free and fair trade and it will come
    back to haunt us.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must not allow the chance to attain energy independence
    to slip from our grasp.  We are blessed with a gift of oil and
    gas resources here in North America, and we must develop them.
    We can develop them sensitively, we can develop them securing
    our environment, but we must develop them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we have the ingenuity to develop alternatives sources
    of energy.  Most importantly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will
    rebuild the foundation of our strength, the American economy --
    stimulating private sector growth and stimulating small business
    entrepreneurship.
       (APPLAUSE)
       When the world looks at us today, they see an American
    government that cannot live within its means.  They see an
    American government that continues to borrow money, that will
    mortgage the future of generations to come.  The world knows
    that when a nation loses control of its finances, it eventually
    loses control of its destiny.
    That is not the America that has inspired people to
    follow our lead.
       (APPLAUSE)
       After all, when the world looks to America, they look to us
    because we are the most successful economic and political
    experiment in human history.  That is the true basis of American
    exceptionalism. You see, the essence of America, what really
    unites us, is not nationality or ethnicity or religion.  It is
    an idea.  And what an idea it is.  That you can come from humble
    circumstances and you can do great things, that it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My fellow Americans, ours has never been a narrative of
    grievance and entitlement.  We have never believed that I am
    doing poorly because you are doing well.  We have never been
    jealous of one another and never envious of each others'
    successes.
       (APPLAUSE)
       No, no, ours has been a belief in opportunity.  And it has
    been a constant struggle, long and hard, up and down, to try to
    extend the benefits of the American dream to all.  But that
    American ideal is indeed in danger today.  There is no country,
    no, not even a rising China that can do more harm to us than we
    can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work before us here
    at home.
       (APPLAUSE)
       More than at any other time in history, greatness is built
    on mobilizing human potential and ambition.  We have always done
    that better than any country in the world.  People have come
    here from all over because they have believed our creed of
    opportunity and limitless horizons.
       They have come here from the world's most impoverished
    nations just to make a decent wage.  And they have come here
    from advanced societies as engineers and scientists that fuel
    the knowledge-based revolution in the Silicon Valley of
    California, in the Research Triangle of North Carolina, along
    Route 128 in Massachusetts, in Austin, Texas, and across this
    great land.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must continue to welcome the world's most ambitious
    people to be a part of us.  In that way, we stay young and
    optimistic and determined.  We need immigration laws that
    protect our borders, meet our economic needs, and yet show that
    we are a compassionate nation of immigrants.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We have been successful too because Americans have known
    that one's status of birth is not a permanent condition.
    Americans have believed that you might not be able to control
    your circumstances but you can control your response to your
    circumstances.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And your greatest ally in controlling your response to your
    circumstances has been a quality education.  But today, today,
    when I can look at your zip code and I can tell whether you're
    going to get a good education, can I honestly say it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going?  The
    crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric of who
    we are.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My mom was a teacher.  I respect the profession.  We need
    great teachers, not poor ones and not mediocre ones.  We have to
    have high standards for our kids, because self-esteem comes from
    achievement, not from lax standards and false praise.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we need to give parents greater choice, particularly,
    particularly poor parents whose kids, very often minorities, are
    trapped in failing neighborhood schools.  This is the civil
    rights issue of our day.
       (APPLAUSE)
       If we do anything less, we can damage generations to
    joblessness and hopelessness and life on the government dole
    (ph).  If we do anything less, we will endanger our global
    imperatives for competitiveness.  And if we do anything less, we
    will tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement the turn
    toward entitlement and grievance.
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild us at home.  And
    they will help us lead abroad.  They will provide an answer to
    the question, ``where does America stand?''  The challenge is real
    and the times are hard.  But America has met and overcome hard
    challenges before.
       Whenever you find yourself a doubting us, just think about
    all those times that America made impossible seemed inevitable
    in retrospect.  Our revolutionary founding act as the greatest
    military power of the time, a civil war, brother against
    brother, hundreds of thousands dead on both sides, but we
    emerged a more perfect union.  A second founding when inpatient
    patriots were determined to overcome the birth defect of slavery
    and the scourge of segregation.
       A long struggle against communism with the soviets even --
    the soviet union's collapse and in the aftermath of 9/11, the
    willingness to take hard, hard decisions that toward us and
    prevented the follow on attack that everybody thought
    preordained.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And on a personal note, a little girl grows up in Jim Crow
    Birmingham.  The segregated city of the south where her parents
    cannot take her to a movie theater or to restaurants, but they
    have convinced that even if she cannot have it hamburger at
    Woolworths, she can be the president of the United States if she
    wanted to be, and she becomes the secretary of state.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Yes, yes.  Yes.  Yes, America has a way of making the
    impossible seemed inevitable in retrospect, but we know it was
    never inevitable. It took leadership.  And it took courage.  And
    it's a belief that our values.  Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have
    the integrity and the experience and the vision to lead us.
    They know who we are.  They know who we want to be.  They know
    who we are in the world and what we offer.
       That is why -- that is why this is a moment and an election
    of consequence.  Because it just has to be that the freest most
    compassionate country on the face of the earth will continue to
    be the most powerful and the beacon for prosperity and the party
    across the world.
       God bless you and God bless this extraordinary country,
    this exceptional country:  The United States of America.




    America, we can back up out claims and shit

    WoOt
    I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would move to a non pony country :|
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RDLqb3u ... ata_player




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    "I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    I would like to know what country you are from? Why did you not mention that?

    Anyway, since this is related to America, I think I would like to answer your question with the recent words by Condoleeza Rice. Enjoy

    ... RICE:  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you very
    much. Thank you.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Thank you so much.  Good evening.
       Good evening, distinguished delegates.  Good evening,
    fellow Republicans.  Good evening, my fellow Americans.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We gather here at a time of significance and challenge.
    This young century has been a difficult one.  I can remember as
    if it were yesterday when my young assistants came into my
    office at the White House to say that a plane had hit the World
    Trade Center, and then, a second plane, and then a third plane,
    the Pentagon.  And later, we would learn that a plane had
    crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, driven into the ground by
    brave souls who died so that others might live.
       (APPLAUSE)
       From that day on -- from that day on, our sense of
    vulnerability and our concepts of security were never the same
    again.
       Then, in 2008, the global financial and economic crisis
    would stun us.  And it still reverberates as we deal with
    unemployment and economic uncertainty and bad policies that cast
    a pall over an American economy and a recovery that is
    desperately needed at home and abroad.
       And we have seen -- we have seen that the desire for
    liberty and freedom is, indeed, universal, as men and women in
    the Middle East rise up to seize it.  Yet, the promise of the
    Arab spring is engulfed in uncertainty, internal strife, and
    hostile neighbors our challenging the young, fragile democracy
    of Iraq.  Dictators in Iran and Syria butcher their people and
    threat to regional security.  Russia and China prevent a
    response, and everyone asks, where does America stand?
       (APPLAUSE)
       Indeed -- indeed, that is the question of the hour.  Where
    does America stand?  You see when the friends or foes alike
    don't know the answer to that question, unambiguously and
    clearly, the world is likely to be a more dangerous and chaotic
    place.
       Since world war ii, the United States has had an answer to
    that question.  We stand for free peoples and free markets.  We
    will defend and support them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We will sustain a balance of power that favors freedom.
       Now, to be sure, the burdens of leadership have been heavy.
    I know, as you do, the sacrifice of Americans, especially the
    sacrifice of many of our bravest in the ultimate sacrifice, but
    our armed forces are the surest shield and foundation of
    liberty, and we are so fortunate that we have men and women in
    uniform who volunteer, they volunteer to defend us at the front
    lines of freedom, and we owe them our eternal gratitude.
       (APPLAUSE)
       I know too it has not always been easy though it has been
    rewarding to speak for those who otherwise do not have a voice.
    The religious dissident in China, the democracy advocate in
    Venezuela, the political prisoner in Iran.
    It has been hard to muster the resources to support
    fledgling democracies and to intervene on behalf of the most
    desperate.  The AIDS orphans in Uganda, the refugee fleeing
    Zimbabwe, the young woman who has been trafficked into the sex
    trade in Southeast Asia.  It has been hard, yet this assistance
    together with the compassionate work of private charities,
    people of conscience and people of faith, has shown the soul of
    our country.  And I know too -- I know too there is a wariness.
    I know that it feels as if we have carried these burdens long
    enough.  But we can only know that there is no choice, because
    one of two things will happen if we don't lead. Either no one
    will lead and there will be chaos, or someone will fill the
    vacuum who does not share our values.
       My fellow Americans, we do not have a choice.  We cannot be
    reluctant to lead and you cannot lead from behind.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality.  Our
    well- being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably
    linked.  They know what to do.  They know that our friends and
    allies must again be able to trust us.  From Israel to Columbia,
    from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to
    know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined.
    And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because
    peace really does come through strength.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Our military capability and our technological advantage
    will be safe in Mitt Romney's hands.  We must work for an open,
    global economy, and pursue free and fair trade, to grow our
    exports and our influence abroad.  If you are worried about the
    rise of China, just consider this -- the United States has
    negotiated -- the United States has ratified only three trade
    agreements in the last few years, and those were negotiated in
    the Bush administration.
       China has signed 15 free trade agreements and is in the
    progress of negotiating as many as 18 more.  Sadly, we are
    abandoning the field of free and fair trade and it will come
    back to haunt us.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must not allow the chance to attain energy independence
    to slip from our grasp.  We are blessed with a gift of oil and
    gas resources here in North America, and we must develop them.
    We can develop them sensitively, we can develop them securing
    our environment, but we must develop them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we have the ingenuity to develop alternatives sources
    of energy.  Most importantly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will
    rebuild the foundation of our strength, the American economy --
    stimulating private sector growth and stimulating small business
    entrepreneurship.
       (APPLAUSE)
       When the world looks at us today, they see an American
    government that cannot live within its means.  They see an
    American government that continues to borrow money, that will
    mortgage the future of generations to come.  The world knows
    that when a nation loses control of its finances, it eventually
    loses control of its destiny.
    That is not the America that has inspired people to
    follow our lead.
       (APPLAUSE)
       After all, when the world looks to America, they look to us
    because we are the most successful economic and political
    experiment in human history.  That is the true basis of American
    exceptionalism. You see, the essence of America, what really
    unites us, is not nationality or ethnicity or religion.  It is
    an idea.  And what an idea it is.  That you can come from humble
    circumstances and you can do great things, that it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My fellow Americans, ours has never been a narrative of
    grievance and entitlement.  We have never believed that I am
    doing poorly because you are doing well.  We have never been
    jealous of one another and never envious of each others'
    successes.
       (APPLAUSE)
       No, no, ours has been a belief in opportunity.  And it has
    been a constant struggle, long and hard, up and down, to try to
    extend the benefits of the American dream to all.  But that
    American ideal is indeed in danger today.  There is no country,
    no, not even a rising China that can do more harm to us than we
    can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work before us here
    at home.
       (APPLAUSE)
       More than at any other time in history, greatness is built
    on mobilizing human potential and ambition.  We have always done
    that better than any country in the world.  People have come
    here from all over because they have believed our creed of
    opportunity and limitless horizons.
       They have come here from the world's most impoverished
    nations just to make a decent wage.  And they have come here
    from advanced societies as engineers and scientists that fuel
    the knowledge-based revolution in the Silicon Valley of
    California, in the Research Triangle of North Carolina, along
    Route 128 in Massachusetts, in Austin, Texas, and across this
    great land.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must continue to welcome the world's most ambitious
    people to be a part of us.  In that way, we stay young and
    optimistic and determined.  We need immigration laws that
    protect our borders, meet our economic needs, and yet show that
    we are a compassionate nation of immigrants.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We have been successful too because Americans have known
    that one's status of birth is not a permanent condition.
    Americans have believed that you might not be able to control
    your circumstances but you can control your response to your
    circumstances.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And your greatest ally in controlling your response to your
    circumstances has been a quality education.  But today, today,
    when I can look at your zip code and I can tell whether you're
    going to get a good education, can I honestly say it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going?  The
    crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric of who
    we are.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My mom was a teacher.  I respect the profession.  We need
    great teachers, not poor ones and not mediocre ones.  We have to
    have high standards for our kids, because self-esteem comes from
    achievement, not from lax standards and false praise.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we need to give parents greater choice, particularly,
    particularly poor parents whose kids, very often minorities, are
    trapped in failing neighborhood schools.  This is the civil
    rights issue of our day.
       (APPLAUSE)
       If we do anything less, we can damage generations to
    joblessness and hopelessness and life on the government dole
    (ph).  If we do anything less, we will endanger our global
    imperatives for competitiveness.  And if we do anything less, we
    will tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement the turn
    toward entitlement and grievance.
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild us at home.  And
    they will help us lead abroad.  They will provide an answer to
    the question, ``where does America stand?''  The challenge is real
    and the times are hard.  But America has met and overcome hard
    challenges before.
       Whenever you find yourself a doubting us, just think about
    all those times that America made impossible seemed inevitable
    in retrospect.  Our revolutionary founding act as the greatest
    military power of the time, a civil war, brother against
    brother, hundreds of thousands dead on both sides, but we
    emerged a more perfect union.  A second founding when inpatient
    patriots were determined to overcome the birth defect of slavery
    and the scourge of segregation.
       A long struggle against communism with the soviets even --
    the soviet union's collapse and in the aftermath of 9/11, the
    willingness to take hard, hard decisions that toward us and
    prevented the follow on attack that everybody thought
    preordained.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And on a personal note, a little girl grows up in Jim Crow
    Birmingham.  The segregated city of the south where her parents
    cannot take her to a movie theater or to restaurants, but they
    have convinced that even if she cannot have it hamburger at
    Woolworths, she can be the president of the United States if she
    wanted to be, and she becomes the secretary of state.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Yes, yes.  Yes.  Yes, America has a way of making the
    impossible seemed inevitable in retrospect, but we know it was
    never inevitable. It took leadership.  And it took courage.  And
    it's a belief that our values.  Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have
    the integrity and the experience and the vision to lead us.
    They know who we are.  They know who we want to be.  They know
    who we are in the world and what we offer.
       That is why -- that is why this is a moment and an election
    of consequence.  Because it just has to be that the freest most
    compassionate country on the face of the earth will continue to
    be the most powerful and the beacon for prosperity and the party
    across the world.
       God bless you and God bless this extraordinary country,
    this exceptional country:  The United States of America.




    America, we can back up our claims and shit

    WoOt

    I did not mention the country I was from as I did not think it relevant to the point I was making, (that others from all around the world may feel the same about their own country as you do about your own.)

    Odd that you have cited a speech from an American, talking about American greatness, hardly an objective point. Again, how could any other nationality, citing their own countries nationalistic rantings be any less credible.

    By the way I'm from Ireland (again not sure what creedence it lends to the point), and if you want I can throw up some excellent quotes from Pearse, Tone, Redmond, Collins, De Valera so as to back up my point of nationhoods greatness, but I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Moonpig wrote:
    I would like to know what country you are from? Why did you not mention that?

    Anyway, since this is related to America, I think I would like to answer your question with the recent words by Condoleeza Rice. Enjoy

    ... RICE:  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you very
    much. Thank you.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Thank you so much.  Good evening.
       Good evening, distinguished delegates.  Good evening,
    fellow Republicans.  Good evening, my fellow Americans.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We gather here at a time of significance and challenge.
    This young century has been a difficult one.  I can remember as
    if it were yesterday when my young assistants came into my
    office at the White House to say that a plane had hit the World
    Trade Center, and then, a second plane, and then a third plane,
    the Pentagon.  And later, we would learn that a plane had
    crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, driven into the ground by
    brave souls who died so that others might live.
       (APPLAUSE)
       From that day on -- from that day on, our sense of
    vulnerability and our concepts of security were never the same
    again.
       Then, in 2008, the global financial and economic crisis
    would stun us.  And it still reverberates as we deal with
    unemployment and economic uncertainty and bad policies that cast
    a pall over an American economy and a recovery that is
    desperately needed at home and abroad.
       And we have seen -- we have seen that the desire for
    liberty and freedom is, indeed, universal, as men and women in
    the Middle East rise up to seize it.  Yet, the promise of the
    Arab spring is engulfed in uncertainty, internal strife, and
    hostile neighbors our challenging the young, fragile democracy
    of Iraq.  Dictators in Iran and Syria butcher their people and
    threat to regional security.  Russia and China prevent a
    response, and everyone asks, where does America stand?
       (APPLAUSE)
       Indeed -- indeed, that is the question of the hour.  Where
    does America stand?  You see when the friends or foes alike
    don't know the answer to that question, unambiguously and
    clearly, the world is likely to be a more dangerous and chaotic
    place.
       Since world war ii, the United States has had an answer to
    that question.  We stand for free peoples and free markets.  We
    will defend and support them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We will sustain a balance of power that favors freedom.
       Now, to be sure, the burdens of leadership have been heavy.
    I know, as you do, the sacrifice of Americans, especially the
    sacrifice of many of our bravest in the ultimate sacrifice, but
    our armed forces are the surest shield and foundation of
    liberty, and we are so fortunate that we have men and women in
    uniform who volunteer, they volunteer to defend us at the front
    lines of freedom, and we owe them our eternal gratitude.
       (APPLAUSE)
       I know too it has not always been easy though it has been
    rewarding to speak for those who otherwise do not have a voice.
    The religious dissident in China, the democracy advocate in
    Venezuela, the political prisoner in Iran.
    It has been hard to muster the resources to support
    fledgling democracies and to intervene on behalf of the most
    desperate.  The AIDS orphans in Uganda, the refugee fleeing
    Zimbabwe, the young woman who has been trafficked into the sex
    trade in Southeast Asia.  It has been hard, yet this assistance
    together with the compassionate work of private charities,
    people of conscience and people of faith, has shown the soul of
    our country.  And I know too -- I know too there is a wariness.
    I know that it feels as if we have carried these burdens long
    enough.  But we can only know that there is no choice, because
    one of two things will happen if we don't lead. Either no one
    will lead and there will be chaos, or someone will fill the
    vacuum who does not share our values.
       My fellow Americans, we do not have a choice.  We cannot be
    reluctant to lead and you cannot lead from behind.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality.  Our
    well- being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably
    linked.  They know what to do.  They know that our friends and
    allies must again be able to trust us.  From Israel to Columbia,
    from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to
    know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined.
    And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because
    peace really does come through strength.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Our military capability and our technological advantage
    will be safe in Mitt Romney's hands.  We must work for an open,
    global economy, and pursue free and fair trade, to grow our
    exports and our influence abroad.  If you are worried about the
    rise of China, just consider this -- the United States has
    negotiated -- the United States has ratified only three trade
    agreements in the last few years, and those were negotiated in
    the Bush administration.
       China has signed 15 free trade agreements and is in the
    progress of negotiating as many as 18 more.  Sadly, we are
    abandoning the field of free and fair trade and it will come
    back to haunt us.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must not allow the chance to attain energy independence
    to slip from our grasp.  We are blessed with a gift of oil and
    gas resources here in North America, and we must develop them.
    We can develop them sensitively, we can develop them securing
    our environment, but we must develop them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we have the ingenuity to develop alternatives sources
    of energy.  Most importantly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will
    rebuild the foundation of our strength, the American economy --
    stimulating private sector growth and stimulating small business
    entrepreneurship.
       (APPLAUSE)
       When the world looks at us today, they see an American
    government that cannot live within its means.  They see an
    American government that continues to borrow money, that will
    mortgage the future of generations to come.  The world knows
    that when a nation loses control of its finances, it eventually
    loses control of its destiny.
    That is not the America that has inspired people to
    follow our lead.
       (APPLAUSE)
       After all, when the world looks to America, they look to us
    because we are the most successful economic and political
    experiment in human history.  That is the true basis of American
    exceptionalism. You see, the essence of America, what really
    unites us, is not nationality or ethnicity or religion.  It is
    an idea.  And what an idea it is.  That you can come from humble
    circumstances and you can do great things, that it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My fellow Americans, ours has never been a narrative of
    grievance and entitlement.  We have never believed that I am
    doing poorly because you are doing well.  We have never been
    jealous of one another and never envious of each others'
    successes.
       (APPLAUSE)
       No, no, ours has been a belief in opportunity.  And it has
    been a constant struggle, long and hard, up and down, to try to
    extend the benefits of the American dream to all.  But that
    American ideal is indeed in danger today.  There is no country,
    no, not even a rising China that can do more harm to us than we
    can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work before us here
    at home.
       (APPLAUSE)
       More than at any other time in history, greatness is built
    on mobilizing human potential and ambition.  We have always done
    that better than any country in the world.  People have come
    here from all over because they have believed our creed of
    opportunity and limitless horizons.
       They have come here from the world's most impoverished
    nations just to make a decent wage.  And they have come here
    from advanced societies as engineers and scientists that fuel
    the knowledge-based revolution in the Silicon Valley of
    California, in the Research Triangle of North Carolina, along
    Route 128 in Massachusetts, in Austin, Texas, and across this
    great land.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must continue to welcome the world's most ambitious
    people to be a part of us.  In that way, we stay young and
    optimistic and determined.  We need immigration laws that
    protect our borders, meet our economic needs, and yet show that
    we are a compassionate nation of immigrants.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We have been successful too because Americans have known
    that one's status of birth is not a permanent condition.
    Americans have believed that you might not be able to control
    your circumstances but you can control your response to your
    circumstances.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And your greatest ally in controlling your response to your
    circumstances has been a quality education.  But today, today,
    when I can look at your zip code and I can tell whether you're
    going to get a good education, can I honestly say it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going?  The
    crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric of who
    we are.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My mom was a teacher.  I respect the profession.  We need
    great teachers, not poor ones and not mediocre ones.  We have to
    have high standards for our kids, because self-esteem comes from
    achievement, not from lax standards and false praise.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we need to give parents greater choice, particularly,
    particularly poor parents whose kids, very often minorities, are
    trapped in failing neighborhood schools.  This is the civil
    rights issue of our day.
       (APPLAUSE)
       If we do anything less, we can damage generations to
    joblessness and hopelessness and life on the government dole
    (ph).  If we do anything less, we will endanger our global
    imperatives for competitiveness.  And if we do anything less, we
    will tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement the turn
    toward entitlement and grievance.
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild us at home.  And
    they will help us lead abroad.  They will provide an answer to
    the question, ``where does America stand?''  The challenge is real
    and the times are hard.  But America has met and overcome hard
    challenges before.
       Whenever you find yourself a doubting us, just think about
    all those times that America made impossible seemed inevitable
    in retrospect.  Our revolutionary founding act as the greatest
    military power of the time, a civil war, brother against
    brother, hundreds of thousands dead on both sides, but we
    emerged a more perfect union.  A second founding when inpatient
    patriots were determined to overcome the birth defect of slavery
    and the scourge of segregation.
       A long struggle against communism with the soviets even --
    the soviet union's collapse and in the aftermath of 9/11, the
    willingness to take hard, hard decisions that toward us and
    prevented the follow on attack that everybody thought
    preordained.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And on a personal note, a little girl grows up in Jim Crow
    Birmingham.  The segregated city of the south where her parents
    cannot take her to a movie theater or to restaurants, but they
    have convinced that even if she cannot have it hamburger at
    Woolworths, she can be the president of the United States if she
    wanted to be, and she becomes the secretary of state.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Yes, yes.  Yes.  Yes, America has a way of making the
    impossible seemed inevitable in retrospect, but we know it was
    never inevitable. It took leadership.  And it took courage.  And
    it's a belief that our values.  Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have
    the integrity and the experience and the vision to lead us.
    They know who we are.  They know who we want to be.  They know
    who we are in the world and what we offer.
       That is why -- that is why this is a moment and an election
    of consequence.  Because it just has to be that the freest most
    compassionate country on the face of the earth will continue to
    be the most powerful and the beacon for prosperity and the party
    across the world.
       God bless you and God bless this extraordinary country,
    this exceptional country:  The United States of America.




    America, we can back up our claims and shit

    WoOt

    I did not mention the country I was from as I did not think it relevant to the point I was making, (that others from all around the world may feel the same about their own country as you do about your own.)

    Odd that you have cited a speech from an American, talking about American greatness, hardly an objective point. Again, how could any other nationality, citing their own countries nationalistic rantings be any less credible.

    By the way I'm from Ireland (again not sure what creedence it lends to the point), and if you want I can throw up some excellent quotes from Pearse, Tone, Redmond, Collins, De Valera so as to back up my point of nationhoods greatness, but I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:


    :lol:

    by the way, don't expect answers to your direct questions. it is better to just move along, because you won't get any answers. you will just get quotes from other people's speeches....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    Moonpig wrote:
    I would like to know what country you are from? Why did you not mention that?

    Anyway, since this is related to America, I think I would like to answer your question with the recent words by Condoleeza Rice. Enjoy

    ... RICE:  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you very
    much. Thank you.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Thank you so much.  Good evening.
       Good evening, distinguished delegates.  Good evening,
    fellow Republicans.  Good evening, my fellow Americans.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We gather here at a time of significance and challenge.
    This young century has been a difficult one.  I can remember as
    if it were yesterday when my young assistants came into my
    office at the White House to say that a plane had hit the World
    Trade Center, and then, a second plane, and then a third plane,
    the Pentagon.  And later, we would learn that a plane had
    crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, driven into the ground by
    brave souls who died so that others might live.
       (APPLAUSE)
       From that day on -- from that day on, our sense of
    vulnerability and our concepts of security were never the same
    again.
       Then, in 2008, the global financial and economic crisis
    would stun us.  And it still reverberates as we deal with
    unemployment and economic uncertainty and bad policies that cast
    a pall over an American economy and a recovery that is
    desperately needed at home and abroad.
       And we have seen -- we have seen that the desire for
    liberty and freedom is, indeed, universal, as men and women in
    the Middle East rise up to seize it.  Yet, the promise of the
    Arab spring is engulfed in uncertainty, internal strife, and
    hostile neighbors our challenging the young, fragile democracy
    of Iraq.  Dictators in Iran and Syria butcher their people and
    threat to regional security.  Russia and China prevent a
    response, and everyone asks, where does America stand?
       (APPLAUSE)
       Indeed -- indeed, that is the question of the hour.  Where
    does America stand?  You see when the friends or foes alike
    don't know the answer to that question, unambiguously and
    clearly, the world is likely to be a more dangerous and chaotic
    place.
       Since world war ii, the United States has had an answer to
    that question.  We stand for free peoples and free markets.  We
    will defend and support them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We will sustain a balance of power that favors freedom.
       Now, to be sure, the burdens of leadership have been heavy.
    I know, as you do, the sacrifice of Americans, especially the
    sacrifice of many of our bravest in the ultimate sacrifice, but
    our armed forces are the surest shield and foundation of
    liberty, and we are so fortunate that we have men and women in
    uniform who volunteer, they volunteer to defend us at the front
    lines of freedom, and we owe them our eternal gratitude.
       (APPLAUSE)
       I know too it has not always been easy though it has been
    rewarding to speak for those who otherwise do not have a voice.
    The religious dissident in China, the democracy advocate in
    Venezuela, the political prisoner in Iran.
    It has been hard to muster the resources to support
    fledgling democracies and to intervene on behalf of the most
    desperate.  The AIDS orphans in Uganda, the refugee fleeing
    Zimbabwe, the young woman who has been trafficked into the sex
    trade in Southeast Asia.  It has been hard, yet this assistance
    together with the compassionate work of private charities,
    people of conscience and people of faith, has shown the soul of
    our country.  And I know too -- I know too there is a wariness.
    I know that it feels as if we have carried these burdens long
    enough.  But we can only know that there is no choice, because
    one of two things will happen if we don't lead. Either no one
    will lead and there will be chaos, or someone will fill the
    vacuum who does not share our values.
       My fellow Americans, we do not have a choice.  We cannot be
    reluctant to lead and you cannot lead from behind.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand this reality.  Our
    well- being at home and our leadership abroad are inextricably
    linked.  They know what to do.  They know that our friends and
    allies must again be able to trust us.  From Israel to Columbia,
    from Poland to the Philippines, our allies and friends have to
    know that we will be reliable and consistent and determined.
    And our foes can have no reason to doubt our resolve because
    peace really does come through strength.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Our military capability and our technological advantage
    will be safe in Mitt Romney's hands.  We must work for an open,
    global economy, and pursue free and fair trade, to grow our
    exports and our influence abroad.  If you are worried about the
    rise of China, just consider this -- the United States has
    negotiated -- the United States has ratified only three trade
    agreements in the last few years, and those were negotiated in
    the Bush administration.
       China has signed 15 free trade agreements and is in the
    progress of negotiating as many as 18 more.  Sadly, we are
    abandoning the field of free and fair trade and it will come
    back to haunt us.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must not allow the chance to attain energy independence
    to slip from our grasp.  We are blessed with a gift of oil and
    gas resources here in North America, and we must develop them.
    We can develop them sensitively, we can develop them securing
    our environment, but we must develop them.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we have the ingenuity to develop alternatives sources
    of energy.  Most importantly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will
    rebuild the foundation of our strength, the American economy --
    stimulating private sector growth and stimulating small business
    entrepreneurship.
       (APPLAUSE)
       When the world looks at us today, they see an American
    government that cannot live within its means.  They see an
    American government that continues to borrow money, that will
    mortgage the future of generations to come.  The world knows
    that when a nation loses control of its finances, it eventually
    loses control of its destiny.
    That is not the America that has inspired people to
    follow our lead.
       (APPLAUSE)
       After all, when the world looks to America, they look to us
    because we are the most successful economic and political
    experiment in human history.  That is the true basis of American
    exceptionalism. You see, the essence of America, what really
    unites us, is not nationality or ethnicity or religion.  It is
    an idea.  And what an idea it is.  That you can come from humble
    circumstances and you can do great things, that it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My fellow Americans, ours has never been a narrative of
    grievance and entitlement.  We have never believed that I am
    doing poorly because you are doing well.  We have never been
    jealous of one another and never envious of each others'
    successes.
       (APPLAUSE)
       No, no, ours has been a belief in opportunity.  And it has
    been a constant struggle, long and hard, up and down, to try to
    extend the benefits of the American dream to all.  But that
    American ideal is indeed in danger today.  There is no country,
    no, not even a rising China that can do more harm to us than we
    can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work before us here
    at home.
       (APPLAUSE)
       More than at any other time in history, greatness is built
    on mobilizing human potential and ambition.  We have always done
    that better than any country in the world.  People have come
    here from all over because they have believed our creed of
    opportunity and limitless horizons.
       They have come here from the world's most impoverished
    nations just to make a decent wage.  And they have come here
    from advanced societies as engineers and scientists that fuel
    the knowledge-based revolution in the Silicon Valley of
    California, in the Research Triangle of North Carolina, along
    Route 128 in Massachusetts, in Austin, Texas, and across this
    great land.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We must continue to welcome the world's most ambitious
    people to be a part of us.  In that way, we stay young and
    optimistic and determined.  We need immigration laws that
    protect our borders, meet our economic needs, and yet show that
    we are a compassionate nation of immigrants.
       (APPLAUSE)
       We have been successful too because Americans have known
    that one's status of birth is not a permanent condition.
    Americans have believed that you might not be able to control
    your circumstances but you can control your response to your
    circumstances.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And your greatest ally in controlling your response to your
    circumstances has been a quality education.  But today, today,
    when I can look at your zip code and I can tell whether you're
    going to get a good education, can I honestly say it does not
    matter where you came from, it matters where you are going?  The
    crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric of who
    we are.
       (APPLAUSE)
       My mom was a teacher.  I respect the profession.  We need
    great teachers, not poor ones and not mediocre ones.  We have to
    have high standards for our kids, because self-esteem comes from
    achievement, not from lax standards and false praise.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And we need to give parents greater choice, particularly,
    particularly poor parents whose kids, very often minorities, are
    trapped in failing neighborhood schools.  This is the civil
    rights issue of our day.
       (APPLAUSE)
       If we do anything less, we can damage generations to
    joblessness and hopelessness and life on the government dole
    (ph).  If we do anything less, we will endanger our global
    imperatives for competitiveness.  And if we do anything less, we
    will tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement the turn
    toward entitlement and grievance.
       Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild us at home.  And
    they will help us lead abroad.  They will provide an answer to
    the question, ``where does America stand?''  The challenge is real
    and the times are hard.  But America has met and overcome hard
    challenges before.
       Whenever you find yourself a doubting us, just think about
    all those times that America made impossible seemed inevitable
    in retrospect.  Our revolutionary founding act as the greatest
    military power of the time, a civil war, brother against
    brother, hundreds of thousands dead on both sides, but we
    emerged a more perfect union.  A second founding when inpatient
    patriots were determined to overcome the birth defect of slavery
    and the scourge of segregation.
       A long struggle against communism with the soviets even --
    the soviet union's collapse and in the aftermath of 9/11, the
    willingness to take hard, hard decisions that toward us and
    prevented the follow on attack that everybody thought
    preordained.
       (APPLAUSE)
       And on a personal note, a little girl grows up in Jim Crow
    Birmingham.  The segregated city of the south where her parents
    cannot take her to a movie theater or to restaurants, but they
    have convinced that even if she cannot have it hamburger at
    Woolworths, she can be the president of the United States if she
    wanted to be, and she becomes the secretary of state.
       (APPLAUSE)
       Yes, yes.  Yes.  Yes, America has a way of making the
    impossible seemed inevitable in retrospect, but we know it was
    never inevitable. It took leadership.  And it took courage.  And
    it's a belief that our values.  Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have
    the integrity and the experience and the vision to lead us.
    They know who we are.  They know who we want to be.  They know
    who we are in the world and what we offer.
       That is why -- that is why this is a moment and an election
    of consequence.  Because it just has to be that the freest most
    compassionate country on the face of the earth will continue to
    be the most powerful and the beacon for prosperity and the party
    across the world.
       God bless you and God bless this extraordinary country,
    this exceptional country:  The United States of America.




    America, we can back up our claims and shit

    WoOt

    I did not mention the country I was from as I did not think it relevant to the point I was making, (that others from all around the world may feel the same about their own country as you do about your own.)

    Odd that you have cited a speech from an American, talking about American greatness, hardly an objective point. Again, how could any other nationality, citing their own countries nationalistic rantings be any less credible.

    By the way I'm from Ireland (again not sure what creedence it lends to the point), and if you want I can throw up some excellent quotes from Pearse, Tone, Redmond, Collins, De Valera so as to back up my point of nationhoods greatness, but I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:


    :lol:

    by the way, don't expect answers to your direct questions. it is better to just move along, because you won't get any answers. you will just get quotes from other people's speeches....

    That's a shame, I genuinely wanted to understand why he felt that way. In my experience that sort of blind nationalism rarely ends well, and is incredibly alienating. And to be clear, I'm not ripping on America, at all, I just don't understand this 'greatest country in the world' or 'God bless America' crap. Why not God bless Somalia, or Columbia, or any hundreds of other tufts of land with a flag stuck in the ground.

    Or Mars, does he bless Mars?? I mean that's a fairly unique place right? And not of this world at all, so trumps the shit out of the rest of us.

    Sorry I digress
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,420
    Moonpig wrote:
    I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:

    Coffee!! Who's having coffee?
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • brianlux wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:

    Coffee!! Who's having coffee?
    :lol:

    So...uh Moonpig... How you doing'? :cool: :shifty:
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    "I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
  • brianlux wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:

    Coffee!! Who's having coffee?


    :lol::lol::lol: :corn:

    That's fucking hilarious. :lol:
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,420
    Comic relief seemed like the right thing to do here. Thank you comebackgirl for the hilarious Seinfeld clip! :lol:
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

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  • brianlux wrote:
    Comic relief seemed like the right thing to do here. Thank you comebackgirl for the hilarious Seinfeld clip! :lol:
    :D I had a pony!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,420
    brianlux wrote:
    Comic relief seemed like the right thing to do here. Thank you comebackgirl for the hilarious Seinfeld clip! :lol:
    :D I had a pony!

    :lol::lol::lol:
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • PJFAN13 wrote:
    You sound like Obama.
    Emoticon

    Blame. "we inherited this mess"

    Emoticon.

    Woot
    Obama has been a bad President?
    Question sir:
    Are we still losing 750,000 jobs PER MONTH like we were with Bush? (Uh, NO)
    Did the stock market go from 8300+ to 13000+ under Obama? (YES)
    Is Bin Laden dead? (YES)
    Are unjustified ridiculous wars that Bush started ending? (YES)
    How's your 401k doing from the time Bush was in office to now under Obama's administration? (Better!)
    We are "blessed" to have a man come into office that believe in magic bloomers and that his God lives on a planet near a star called Kolob?
    Wow, keep drinking the Kool Aid - and Romney has no chance btw...
    wow

    If you think Obama is the sole reason for UBL you are sorely mistaken.
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  • hgpjam11hgpjam11 Posts: 1,328
    brianlux wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    I think if we're going down that road we may as well just take our lads out of our pants and get some measuring tape, or in my case a metre stick :shock:

    Coffee!! Who's having coffee?

    :lol:

    I usually stay far away from AMT because politics piss me off. But I'll say two things...

    I can't believe people are still talking about Obama'a citizenship. He is the President, for fuck's sake.

    And speeches are most often written by staffers, I'm sure Condi had some great writers.
    I win.
  • PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    If you think Obama is the sole reason for UBL you are sorely mistaken.

    You're right, Bush had EVERYTHING to do with him being captured, right? Sorry, got my history mixed up.
    I thought it happened under Obama's watch - Operation Neptune Spear? I though it was ordered by Obama and carried out in a Central Intelligence Agency-led operation. In addition to DEVGRU, participating units included the U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment and CIA operatives. But I could be mistaken.
    Sorry I commented Dirtie Frank - please set the record straight so I don't live under any more false presumptions...
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