Romney to pick Paul Ryan for VP

Cliffy6745

comebackgirl wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

It's funny. Support has increased 20% over the last 16 years while opposition has declined 20% and he points out a 1 year change. Trends...

Exactly! Look at where it was in '96 and '99. Talk about support trending upwards. That is a huge leap. Good to see.

And he pulls "its trending down because of the economic ramifications". Talk about an assumption. My assumption would be that it's due to the nature of the issue right now and the polarization in this country. That's much more logical. Either way. 20 points up in 16 years with the generation that supports it coming of age and beginning to gain power

DS1119

comebackgirl wrote:

Way too many skeletons in my closet to run for office :shifty: I do support female or male politicians if they represent my view. These issues have been somewhat divisive for Republican women. Even Ann Coulter spoke out about Aiken.

My post was referring to your statement about majority rule though. Look out DS :shock:

I stand by my statement. MAjority does rule.

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Way too many skeletons in my closet to run for office :shifty: I do support female or male politicians if they represent my view. These issues have been somewhat divisive for Republican women. Even Ann Coulter spoke out about Aiken.

My post was referring to your statement about majority rule though. Look out DS :shock:

I stand by my statement. MAjority does rule.

uh oh :shock:

Cliffy6745

I posted an hour long debate on gay marriage and not once was costs mentioned. The overall debate in this country has nothing to do with costs. That excuse is nonsense.

comebackgirl

Cliffy6745 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

It's funny. Support has increased 20% over the last 16 years while opposition has declined 20% and he points out a 1 year change. Trends...

Exactly! Look at where it was in '96 and '99. Talk about support trending upwards. That is a huge leap. Good to see.

And he pulls "its trending down because of the economic ramifications". Talk about an assumption. My assumption would be that it's due to the nature of the issue right now and the polarization in this country. That's much more logical. Either way. 20 points up in 16 years with the generation that supports it coming of age and beginning to gain power

Exactly - huge assumption. I'm not sure if the 1 year change is even statistically significant. The 16 year change certainly is.

Prince Of Dorkness

comebackgirl wrote:

Exactly! Look at where it was in '96 and '99. Talk about support trending upwards. That is a huge leap. Good to see.

Well and as the right comes up with silly new arguments and floods the airwaves with them, there's a bit of eb and flow while people buy the argument for a bit and then... realize they're being silly.

Look at how the hysteria whipped up by Ken Mehlman at the end of 2004 changed things... and now that change didn't last long.

Much like the vitriol of Prop8 in California and Question 1 in Maine gave mid 2008 a dent that was corrected within a year. Once 2011 rolled around the "nice" gay and lesbian celebrities like Ricky Martin and Doogie Howser and Wanda Sykes started coming out and talking about their husbands and wives and kids... that's when we saw a huge bump.

And now that Matt Bomber is taking the kids around, people can see exactly who they're voting against.

Go Beavers

DS1119 wrote:

Just in case anyone is having trouble reading the end of the chart. Support for...and I'm waiting for the correct term...is it "same sex" marriage is going down.

Support isn't going down based on the graph. The margin of error in the survey is +/- 3%. So a 3% difference isn't statistically significant and doesn't indicate a "trend".

Prince Of Dorkness

BinauralJam wrote:

Speaking of Paul Ryan has anyone here ever tried a using a Flesh light?

Uh... ok, totally off topic but I produced a series of promo clips for FleshJack (the same company, the same product with a gay male target market) and yes, I have like about 20 in my studio that I used to give models when we were doing solo scenes. All the different colours and models they have.

Why... do you want one? (and no... not a "used" one. They're kinda like the flying beasts in Avatar... once it's bonded with a rider, they never give it up).

comebackgirl

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Exactly! Look at where it was in '96 and '99. Talk about support trending upwards. That is a huge leap. Good to see.

Well and as the right comes up with silly new arguments and floods the airwaves with them, there's a bit of eb and flow while people buy the argument for a bit and then... realize they're being silly.

Look at how the hysteria whipped up by Ken Mehlman at the end of 2004 changed things... and now that change didn't last long.

Much like the vitriol of Prop8 in California and Question 1 in Maine gave mid 2008 a dent that was corrected within a year. Once 2011 rolled around the "nice" gay and lesbian celebrities like Ricky Martin and Doogie Howser and Wanda Sykes started coming out and talking about their husbands and wives and kids... that's when we saw a huge bump.

And now that Matt Bomber is taking the kids around, people can see exactly who they're voting against.

That makes sense. People start realizing that they have been voting against people, just normal, likable people with families, etc rather than some evil entity that is going to somehow damage the world. Maybe they then realize that by supporting people they are actually supporting the very values, such as commitment and strong family bonds, that are important to them.

Prince Of Dorkness

comebackgirl wrote:

That makes sense. People start realizing that they have been voting against people, just normal, likable people with families, etc rather than some evil entity that is going to somehow damage the world.

I know that my family was ambivalent about marriage equality until I dragged them kicking and screaming into the new reality. Now they march in more pride parades than I do. They've also been lifelines and support system for MANY university students.

Most of my buddies from college were all various degrees of uncomfortable with knowing a gay person until they found out that I was... that changed a lot of minds. Even from places I've worked in the past... people have told me that once they saw us together and saw us as a "real couple" and not some nebulous concept of "changing the definition of a word" that it made a huge difference. The more of us that come out... the more the world changes.

I've always said to put a nice couple like Anderson and Ben or Ellen and Portia in front of people so they can see who they're voting against. That's how we're going to win this.

Well... and see the downright asinine arguments that we've seen in this thread.

comebackgirl

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

That makes sense. People start realizing that they have been voting against people, just normal, likable people with families, etc rather than some evil entity that is going to somehow damage the world.

I know that my family was ambivalent about marriage equality until I dragged them kicking and screaming into the new reality. Now they march in more pride parades than I do. They've also been lifelines and support system for MANY university students.

Most of my buddies from college were all various degrees of uncomfortable with knowing a gay person until they found out that I was... that changed a lot of minds. Even from places I've worked in the past... people have told me that once they saw us together and saw us as a "real couple" and not some nebulous concept of "changing the definition of a word" that it made a huge difference. The more of us that come out... the more the world changes.

I've always said to put a nice couple like Anderson and Ben or Ellen and Portia in front of people so they can see who they're voting against. That's how we're going to win this.

Well... and see the downright asinine arguments that we've seen in this thread.

And it's working...people are getting it and their attitudes are changing. My mom always wanted to "get it," but she struggled with it. She loves Ellen (and Anderson - but I mean who doesn't? :oops: ) and that's when I think she first really started to understand that the issue is about people, real people and not just some fuzzy concept. Even my stepdad who was an "It's adam & eve, not adam & steve" kind of guy up until about 10 years ago, not only "gets it," but it's an issue that actually matters to him now.

The students on my campus are proof to me that it is changing for the better with every generation. There are still some slurs and negative attitudes, but by and large there is support and acceptance. A few years ago the administration was all in a stir because we had a new incoming student who was transgender. They were worried about housing issues and how the student body would "deal with it." Well it was a non-issue for the students. He's a student leader and now we have gender-inclusive housing on campus. Things will continue to evolve and hopefully the offensive arguments will fall by the wayside.

Zoso

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

That makes sense. People start realizing that they have been voting against people, just normal, likable people with families, etc rather than some evil entity that is going to somehow damage the world.

I know that my family was ambivalent about marriage equality until I dragged them kicking and screaming into the new reality. Now they march in more pride parades than I do. They've also been lifelines and support system for MANY university students.

Most of my buddies from college were all various degrees of uncomfortable with knowing a gay person until they found out that I was... that changed a lot of minds. Even from places I've worked in the past... people have told me that once they saw us together and saw us as a "real couple" and not some nebulous concept of "changing the definition of a word" that it made a huge difference. The more of us that come out... the more the world changes.

I've always said to put a nice couple like Anderson and Ben or Ellen and Portia in front of people so they can see who they're voting against. That's how we're going to win this.

Well... and see the downright asinine arguments that we've seen in this thread.

I read an article about how gay couples in Adelaide have had enough of the kids at their kids school always using the term 'that's so gay'... They are recommending to the school board that it be outlawed and educated why it is discriminatory. That's a step in the right direction I would have thought.

dancepartner

how many will get mixed up the words Paul Ryan for Ron Paul?

dancepartner

I'll try this again...learning to chat still.
I wrote "wonder how many will mix up the name Paul Ryan with Ron Paul?"
Then, I guess i didn't post it right...second time's a charm!

brianlux

dancepartner wrote:

I'll try this again...learning to chat still.
I wrote "wonder how many will mix up the name Paul Ryan with Ron Paul?"
Then, I guess i didn't post it right...second time's a charm!

That's a good question!

I wonder if that's part of the strategy. I not a huge Ron Paul fan but I do agree with some of his stances- particularly on stopping the war- and the first time I heard about Paul Ryan- for a brief moment I made a connection with Ron Paul and a lot of people on the left are easier with Paul than Ryan...

hmm... Paul than Ryan... Paul Ryan...

I really do wonder if there's a strategy involved with Romney picking Paul Ryan for that reason. It wouldn't surprise me if that was at least part of the plan be.

Prince Of Dorkness

brianlux wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

I'll try this again...learning to chat still.
I wrote "wonder how many will mix up the name Paul Ryan with Ron Paul?"
Then, I guess i didn't post it right...second time's a charm!

That's a good question!

I wonder if that's part of the strategy. I not a huge Ron Paul fan but I do agree with some of his stances- particularly on stopping the war- and the first time I heard about Paul Ryan- for a brief moment I made a connection with Ron Paul and a lot of people on the left are easier with Paul than Ryan...

hmm... Paul than Ryan... Paul Ryan...

I really do wonder if there's a strategy involved with Romney picking Paul Ryan for that reason. It wouldn't surprise me if that was at least part of the plan be.

I will regret asking this question.

Do you really think anyone is so dumb they can't look at them and tell the difference between the guy who looks like Leslie Jordan and the guy who looks like Eddie Munster?

Johnny Abruzzo

dancepartner wrote:

how many will get mixed up the words Paul Ryan for Ron Paul?

My dad kept saying Ron Paul when he meant to say Paul Ryan. So this might happen a lot.

Who Princess

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I will regret asking this question.

Do you really think anyone is so dumb they can't look at them and tell the difference between the guy who looks like Leslie Jordan and the guy who looks like Eddie Munster?

They won't be looking at the guys, they'll be looking at the names on a ballot.
Kinda like the woman who was interviewed leaving the polls in Texas the first time George W. Bush ran for governor in 1994. "Bush was a great president, I'm sure he'll make a great governor!"

DS1119

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

how many will get mixed up the words Paul Ryan for Ron Paul?

My dad kept saying Ron Paul when he meant to say Paul Ryan. So this might happen a lot.

I would say the the same percentage that mixed up Osama and Obama when he was running in '08.

brianlux

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

brianlux wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

I'll try this again...learning to chat still.
I wrote "wonder how many will mix up the name Paul Ryan with Ron Paul?"
Then, I guess i didn't post it right...second time's a charm!

That's a good question!

I wonder if that's part of the strategy. I not a huge Ron Paul fan but I do agree with some of his stances- particularly on stopping the war- and the first time I heard about Paul Ryan- for a brief moment I made a connection with Ron Paul and a lot of people on the left are easier with Paul than Ryan...

hmm... Paul than Ryan... Paul Ryan...

I really do wonder if there's a strategy involved with Romney picking Paul Ryan for that reason. It wouldn't surprise me if that was at least part of the plan be.

I will regret asking this question.

Do you really think anyone is so dumb they can't look at them and tell the difference between the guy who looks like Leslie Jordan and the guy who looks like Eddie Munster?

In a word, no. Bit now that you mention it, Eddie Munster and Lurch would make make a great presidential team!