Hotel deck clerk laughs at disabled Vet

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited August 2012 in A Moving Train
WTF ???
she needs to be fired...plain and simple.
Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/10/di ... -for-help/
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    One side of the story here, but seems pretty ridiculous.

    Though I wonder how he would know that the company needs dramatic policy changes...perhaps it was just 1 employee not following the policy, as it appears to be.

    Maybe unemployment is too low if this is the help you have to hire. ;)
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Though I wonder how he would know that the company needs dramatic policy changes...perhaps it was just 1 employee not following the policy, as it appears to be.
    This is what I thought as well.

    Seems a matter of one idiot with a lack of compassion or manners.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Godfather. wrote:
    WTF ???
    she needs to be fired...plain and simple.
    Godfather.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/10/di ... -for-help/

    Why would you fire her based on 1 side of the storey?

    Maybe the hotel needs to address this situation in their policies...and make sure their employees are educated and Informed to the needs of people's in this situation.

    She doesn't need to be fired for what might have been a simple lapse in judgement.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    lukin2006 wrote:

    Maybe the hotel needs to address this situation in their policies...and make sure their employees are educated and Informed to the needs of people's in this situation.


    You know, people bring this up all the time (lack of training, etc.) and I would say it is probably part of the problem in roughly 5% of incidents that I've been associated with investigating.

    It's the easy way out and more often than not, really is about personal accountability for the individual who didn;t take the training they got seriously. Just my point of view.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    lukin2006 wrote:

    Maybe the hotel needs to address this situation in their policies...and make sure their employees are educated and Informed to the needs of people's in this situation.


    You know, people bring this up all the time (lack of training, etc.) and I would say it is probably part of the problem in roughly 5% of incidents that I've been associated with investigating.

    It's the easy way out and more often than not, really is about personal accountability for the individual who didn;t take the training they got seriously. Just my point of view.

    From my point of view is as society I don't think it fair to suggest she be fired based on his side of the story only, and if she was in the wrong on this instance of poor judgement, unless this is a on going problem.

    I am suggesting that the company policy is up to date and employees are trained properly. From my experience very few low skill, low paying jobs train their employees well.

    Another thing to consider is that some of these folks in wheelchairs carry a chip on their shoulder and are pissed at the world.

    My wife and I are avid walkers and have encountered are fair share of rude people in wheelchairs. Two sides to every storey.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    lukin2006 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:

    Maybe the hotel needs to address this situation in their policies...and make sure their employees are educated and Informed to the needs of people's in this situation.


    You know, people bring this up all the time (lack of training, etc.) and I would say it is probably part of the problem in roughly 5% of incidents that I've been associated with investigating.

    It's the easy way out and more often than not, really is about personal accountability for the individual who didn;t take the training they got seriously. Just my point of view.

    From my point of view is as society I don't think it fair to suggest she be fired based on his side of the story only, and if she was in the wrong on this instance of poor judgement, unless this is a on going problem.

    I am suggesting that the company policy is up to date and employees are trained properly. From my experience very few low skill, low paying jobs train their employees well.

    Another thing to consider is that some of these folks in wheelchairs carry a chip on their shoulder and are pissed at the world.

    My wife and I are avid walkers and have encountered are fair share of rude people in wheelchairs. Two sides to every storey.

    I agree about the 2 sides. I actually mentioned it in my first post. I was addressing the "lack of training" excuse. BUt fair enough, my experiences tell me otherwise.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    If she did indeed laugh at him, that's not so much an issue of training to me, but of simple manners and customer service - among the basics of running a hotel.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    WTF ???
    she needs to be fired...plain and simple.
    Godfather.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/10/di ... -for-help/

    Why would you fire her based on 1 side of the storey?

    Maybe the hotel needs to address this situation in their policies...and make sure their employees are educated and Informed to the needs of people's in this situation.

    She doesn't need to be fired for what might have been a simple lapse in judgement.


    o.k judge wagnor..you're right :lol: please forgive my nonentary lapse in judgment. :D

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Godfather. wrote:


    o.k judge wagnor..you're right :lol: please forgive my nonentary lapse in judgment. :D

    Godfather.

    You blew it. Should just typed... "The customer is always right".
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:


    o.k judge wagnor..you're right :lol: please forgive my nonentary lapse in judgment. :D

    Godfather.

    You blew it. Should just typed... "The customer is always right".

    :lol: dang it ! see what happens when I try to be politicly correct :lol:


    Godfather.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Godfather. wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:


    o.k judge wagnor..you're right :lol: please forgive my nonentary lapse in judgment. :D

    Godfather.

    You blew it. Should just typed... "The customer is always right".

    :lol: dang it ! see what happens when I try to be politicly correct :lol:


    Godfather.

    Now you're fired.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Godfather. wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    WTF ???
    she needs to be fired...plain and simple.
    Godfather.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/10/di ... -for-help/

    Why would you fire her based on 1 side of the storey?

    Maybe the hotel needs to address this situation in their policies...and make sure their employees are educated and Informed to the needs of people's in this situation.

    She doesn't need to be fired for what might have been a simple lapse in judgement.


    o.k judge wagnor..you're right :lol: please forgive my nonentary lapse in judgment. :D

    Godfather.

    Kind of funny that your basing the fact that someone should be fired from 1 side of the storey and relying on a Fox News as a reliable source... :fp:
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    This is newsworthy? I see this rudeness like this happen every day. Leave it to Fox to post a story like this because it has shock value... One thing Fox never fails to do is show the bad side of humanity, and never a good side.

    I was in a wheelchair for a year w/ 2 broken legs and a broken arm. It's unbelievable how differently you are treated by the walking public, but I was never treated as poorly as this guy. (I must also say that some people treated me very nicely and were extremely helpful).

    Without a doubt she should be fired. He was not helped, and as a customer needing assistance, he should have gotten the help he needed. That's enough story to warrant firing an employee not doing her job. This isn't about two sides of the story; the customer really is always right.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    this country ... this world's countries should all be ashamed of themselves for having young men & women kill and wound one another. all for the political leaders' greed and power trips.

    the lady at the front desk (from what i read. and only a one sided story) made a mistake and shown very little compassion towards a disabled human being. and even though the story is one sided it makes sense so i will believe that this is exactly what happened.

    should she be fired? no. why? because we don't know every detail. is she a fucking lazy ass heartless bitch? yes she is according to what i read, she is a piece of shit.

    what other side of the story can make her look good and that she was doing her job to the best of her ability?

    should she be put on probation at her place of employment? sure. should they revamp certain procedures at this hotel? certainly.

    i use a cane and i move along very slowly and have huge pain & difficulty when walking or sitting perfectly still. i walk daily around my neighborhood and park along with my swimming. almost on a daily basis i have to fight none disabled folks at keeping them out of the two disabled changing rooms at the gym where i swim at.

    the men's locker room is up 2-3 flights of stairs. i can't walk down stairs very well at all. i actually have to almost do as this man in this story does. i don't have to sit on my ass to go down the stairs, no... but close enough. i gotta lean my body into the railing and inch myself down very slowly.

    why? because perfectly healthy & very fit people are using a changing room that was built for folks like this disabled vet guy and folks like myself who are a bit jammed up. my knees are mush. you'd think ppl at a place of health & excercise would go the extra steps... no they don't. many do, yes. but others do not.

    me? yes i go the extra distance because i am very determined unlike some other folks. i feel bad for this guy who had to go through this bullshit. he is strong-willed
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    some people have no idea how to socialize in the community, show empathy or class... this is one example.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Zoso wrote:
    some people have no idea how to socialize in the community, show empathy or class... this is one example.
    thank you, zoso. very true.

    beings you are originally from Australia and now a u.s. citizen, do you see a difference between the two societies, is the u.s. less compassionate than your native homeland?
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    chadwick wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    some people have no idea how to socialize in the community, show empathy or class... this is one example.

    beings you are originally from Australia and now a u.s. citizen, do you see a difference between the two societies, is the u.s. less compassionate than your native homeland?

    It's tough to say to be honest.. every community or country has it's bad apples. So no I can't really say America has less compassionate people.. I would say Australians are more laid back but that doesn't necessarily translate to Aussies being more empathetic and compassionate people. Prejudice is as common in Australia as it is here.
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    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ^^^ thank you, zoso.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,423
    I think it's ok or even normal at times to think that a disability is a pain in the butt (I certainly feel that way about my hearing issues at times). There have been times at work where I'm really busy and feel a bit peeved if I have to stop what I'm doing to climb up a ladder for a book because someone can't do it themselves. But that doesn't mean I'm unhappy with the person. I might feel a bit stressed by the situation but I always suck it up and help the person in a friendly manner. There's a difference between feeling a certain way about something and acting on those feelings. The clerk at the hotel may have been under huge stress due to the power outage but didn't have enough experience in stuffing her feelings and dealing with the situation. Or she may just be heartless and uncaring. It's hard to tell from the article. Hopefully she's learned something about stuffing her feelings and learning how to be compassionate under duress.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux wrote:
    I think it's ok or even normal at times to think that a disability is a pain in the butt (I certainly feel that way about my hearing issues at times). There have been times at work where I'm really busy and feel a bit peeved if I have to stop what I'm doing to climb up a ladder for a book because someone can't do it themselves. But that doesn't mean I'm unhappy with the person. I might feel a bit stressed by the situation but I always suck it up and help the person in a friendly manner. There's a difference between feeling a certain way about something and acting on those feelings. The clerk at the hotel may have been under huge stress due to the power outage but didn't have enough experience in stuffing her feelings and dealing with the situation. Or she may just be heartless and uncaring. It's hard to tell from the article. Hopefully she's learned something about stuffing her feelings and learning how to be compassionate under duress.

    I agree with what your saying if that is the truthful storey from the article. Let's remember one thing, the hotel has accepted responsibility and taken the high road...basically the customer is always right.

    As someone who has worked in the service industry before...the customer is not always right.

    I also find it very amusing that peoples are basing their opinions on an article from fox news, a source that is usually not taken seriuosly on these boards.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    There are two sides to every story and this whole attitude that it is unpatriotic to questions the actions of any person who has served in the military is getting old because honestly, sometimes an asshole is just an asshole and the faces of gold diggers have changed. If it's not about the money, why talk to Fox News!!!

    --Why were they even talking to a clerk and not the manager? How is it that he and his Dad didn't need hotel assistance to get him down 3 flights of steps, and only demanded help with his bags and chair? The article is kind of confusing as to whether he was on the 1st floor or the 3rd floor when he made the call.

    --Sliding down stairs seems as though this was something he normally did, probably at home. A person just doesn't throw their self down 3 flights of steps because some clerk pissed them off. If this was the first time he was going to slide down some steps, and to be doing it because he was angry and upset, as his Dad, I'd would have been freaked. Instead, they are were pissed because his Dad would have to get the chair and luggage, WTF.

    --Again, why didn't the Dad just go to the front desk for assistance?

    --Here's the liability issues,

    a) yes a hotel employee can help a person with their luggage, however, transporting a wheelchair could present a liability issue if the chair is not properly setup before the person is placed back into that chair. With so many variety of chairs and their functions, a hotel employee would not know to check to see if they may have inadvertently moved a safety lock, but a person looking to make a couple of bucks off a hotel, well that's another story.

    b) this person just elected to slide down 1 or 2 flights of stairs, as an employee or guest, I would not offer any assistance in placing him back into that chair or moving him once he got back into the chair. But, go ahead help him, and, while you think you are doing your patriotic duty, don't be surprised to fine yourself being served papers a couple weeks later.
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