What punishment for having sex knowing you have HIV?

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    fife wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Why just HIV, though? What about any other STD? What about if you just have a cold?

    or if you live with a smoker, can you get that person arrested for second hand smoke if you get cancer?

    we must remember that a person can get arrested even if the other person doesn't contract HIV.

    Exactly. This seems like it's a law picking on HIV-infected people only.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Of course, nothing is guaranteed. And using protection, duh.

    But when you're living with someone, isn't there an expected level of trust?

    As to the second-hand smoke comment, one can't be around that and unaware they're being exposed to it, whereas an STD can be passed on without knowledge by the passee.

    Anyway, it seems like common fucking decency would propel someone to tell their partner they have something the other could contract.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    fife wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    This will also encourage people to not get tested. He can't tell you he's HIV+ if he doesn't know himself...

    and the winner for smartest post goes to the prince. we are already seeing that in toronto.

    all you have to do is look at the people who go get tested and never go back for the results.


    go back for the results? what year is it in Toronto...rapid tests baby!!!

    Also, if the health departments are anything like they are here...if a person who tests positive never gets the results the health dept does do whatever it can to track them down.

    In the bigger picture It is certainly wrong to hide your status. But I think the reason the punishments aren't higher for individual counts is because it is a two way street. A person does not have to have unprotected sex with anyone....forcing them is rape and that is a crime. So there is responsibility on that side of the plate as well.
    If you didn't get the results together, I suggest taking the test again to be sure...it isn't that hard to wait until you can get tested...Make sure to donate at the site you are doing it. Free HIV testing is a great thing and we want to keep it that way by having those who can donate.



    We have seen a giant increase in HIV testing year on year for what seems like forever. this will have little actual affect on testing.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    While I wouldn't certainly support someone going out and willingly infecting someone with HIV...it is a two way street. If you have sex with someone, you better know who that someone is. Responsibilty goes both ways in the real world.
    ...
    That only works in a world where people do not lie.
    "Got HIV?"
    "Nope."
    "Okay."
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  • eMMI
    eMMI Posts: 6,262
    know1 wrote:
    Why just HIV, though? What about any other STD? What about if you just have a cold?

    Because there's a higher chance you'll wind up dead as a result of HIV than a cold?

    Lying about any STD you might have is wrong, absolutely. And in this case, the couple were living together, having unprotected sex and he still didn't tell her - wrong, wrong, wrong! :shock:

    We've had a few cases where someone with HIV has had unprotected sex with several people and not told them about the condition. It does make me wonder why someone would do that.. Especially if they're knowingly trying to infect others (not that that might be the case every time).

    And I do agree, if you're having unprotected sex with someone you don't know (very well), part of the blame lies with you.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    know1 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Why just HIV, though? What about any other STD? What about if you just have a cold?

    or if you live with a smoker, can you get that person arrested for second hand smoke if you get cancer?

    we must remember that a person can get arrested even if the other person doesn't contract HIV.

    Exactly. This seems like it's a law picking on HIV-infected people only.

    Very interesting points. Thanks.'

    I was kinda leaning the other way, but it seems to me that unless you can prove intent on passing HIV on...which I gotta believe is pretty hard without a confession... I'm not sure you can hold that person accountable.

    Now, if asked, they lie, and test records show that they knew previously... perhaps a different story?
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    know1 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Why just HIV, though? What about any other STD? What about if you just have a cold?

    or if you live with a smoker, can you get that person arrested for second hand smoke if you get cancer?

    we must remember that a person can get arrested even if the other person doesn't contract HIV.

    Exactly. This seems like it's a law picking on HIV-infected people only.


    ???? how many people has HIV-AIDS killed already ? most other STD's are fixwd with drugs or controled with drugs and AID's just straight up kills people it may taks some time but the end result final so if someond knowingly has HIV and continues to have sex without telling their partners it's the same as premetated murder
    so I don't think anybody is being picked on.

    Godfather.
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Godfather. wrote:
    ???? how many people has HIV-AIDS killed already ? most other STD's are fixwd with drugs or controled with drugs and AID's just straight up kills people it may taks some time but the end result final so if someond knowingly has HIV and continues to have sex without telling their partners it's the same as premetated murder
    so I don't think anybody is being picked on.

    Godfather.
    Not all of them can be treated or cured and some STDs can be fatal. HPV causes cervical cancer in women. Hepatitis B is transmitted the same ways as HIV and is many times more infectious. It will also kill you just as dead but for some reason nobody ever talks about it.

    Some people with HIV take a stance that they shouldn't be obligated to warn others because nobody warned them. It's not my idea of logic but I've heard that argument on occasion.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Who Princess wrote:

    Some people with HIV take a stance that they shouldn't be obligated to warn others because nobody warned them. It's not my idea of logic but I've heard that argument on occasion.


    Seriously? Well then, they are too stupid to have sex. What a bunch of assclowns.
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Who Princess wrote:

    Some people with HIV take a stance that they shouldn't be obligated to warn others because nobody warned them. It's not my idea of logic but I've heard that argument on occasion.


    Seriously? Well then, they are too stupid to have sex. What a bunch of assclowns.
    They weren't going to hide their status, they just felt that the burden was on their partners to ask about it.

    This hasn't been the case with the overwhelming majority of people with HIV that I've met, but I ran across it occasionally. I worked at an AIDS service organization for 5 years and I heard some examples of strange logic.

    Back on topic, I honestly don't know what the punishment should be. Most of the laws are patterned after the ones against physical assault or attempted murder and I don't think there's a precise corollary there.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Who Princess wrote:

    Back on topic, I honestly don't know what the punishment should be. Most of the laws are patterned after the ones against physical assault or attempted murder and I don't think there's a precise corollary there.


    Right, unless you can prove intent.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Who Princess wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    ???? how many people has HIV-AIDS killed already ? most other STD's are fixwd with drugs or controled with drugs and AID's just straight up kills people it may taks some time but the end result final so if someond knowingly has HIV and continues to have sex without telling their partners it's the same as premetated murder
    so I don't think anybody is being picked on.

    Godfather.
    Not all of them can be treated or cured and some STDs can be fatal. HPV causes cervical cancer in women. Hepatitis B is transmitted the same ways as HIV and is many times more infectious. It will also kill you just as dead but for some reason nobody ever talks about it.

    Some people with HIV take a stance that they shouldn't be obligated to warn others because nobody warned them. It's not my idea of logic but I've heard that argument on occasion.

    are you a med student or a doctor ? I have just decided not to comment on the is subject anymore your post made me realize I do not know very little about this topic.
    thank you and have a good day (as I try to sneek out un-noticed)

    Godfather.
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Godfather. wrote:
    are you a med student or a doctor ? I have just decided not to comment on the is subject anymore your post made me realize I do not know very little about this topic.
    thank you and have a good day (as I try to sneek out un-noticed)

    Godfather.
    Hey, sorry if it sounded like I was criticizing. I was just commenting that not every STD can be treated and that HIV isn't the only one that can kill you. Plus who knows what other microbes are out there waiting to start the next epidemic. Trust me, I'm a firm believer in protected sex.

    I'm not a medical professional but I spent 5 years as an HIV educator. So it's a subject that still holds a lot of interest for me.
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