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The Drug War Shifts to Africa, Hub for Cartels

peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
edited July 2012 in A Moving Train
And so it continues...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/world ... l?_r=1&hpw
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 63696.html :shock:
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    So the US, out of the goodness of her heart, is protecting EUROPE from African cocaine routes?
    Does this not bother Americans? To be funding a drug war to protect other countries? I mean...I can understand why you could allow yourself to be fleeced into thinking that the true point to this drug war is to protect AMERICANS from the cocaine trade.....but does it not set off all kinds of alarms when you read that you're aiding wars on another continent to protect a third party? wtf?


    This shit is all cover for imperialist ambitions. AFRICOM.....
    Re-colonizing Africa.

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175567/ ... n_africa_/
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    :fp:

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    this made me think about legalizing drugs, the whole world would have to be on bord in order to stop drug violence not just America or a few countries,I doubt that would ever happen.

    Godfather.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Godfather. wrote:
    this made me think about legalizing drugs, the whole world would have to be on bord in order to stop drug violence not just America or a few countries,I doubt that would ever happen.

    Godfather.
    Why would the whole world have to be on board? Even if that were true, the drug war pretty much lives and dies with US policy. I think a majority of the world would breath a sigh of relief and move on very quickly once the US changed tactics....well, except for the politicians, military/LE leaders, and arms middle men in those countries, who would be losing out on the bribes that masquerade as 'aid'...they'd be pissed and fight it tooth and nail......the war on drugs is more about power and influence than it is about drugs.
    But aside from all that...do you really care about drug policy in other countries? You want to keep fighting this war because other countries won't get on board? Why not let them determine their own policy and worry about your own country?
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    this made me think about legalizing drugs, the whole world would have to be on bord in order to stop drug violence not just America or a few countries,I doubt that would ever happen.

    Godfather.
    Why would the whole world have to be on board? Even if that were true, the drug war pretty much lives and dies with US policy. I think a majority of the world would breath a sigh of relief and move on very quickly once the US changed tactics....well, except for the politicians, military/LE leaders, and arms middle men in those countries, who would be losing out on the bribes that masquerade as 'aid'...they'd be pissed and fight it tooth and nail......the war on drugs is more about power and influence than it is about drugs.
    But aside from all that...do you really care about drug policy in other countries? You want to keep fighting this war because other countries won't get on board? Why not let them determine their own policy and worry about your own country?

    my thought was even if drugs were legalized here the war for supplying drugs to the united states could spill over state side, it just too hard to see an end to the drug problem in my opinion.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    [Off-topic post removed. We need to be more careful about this, thank you. - Admin]
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Drowned Out wrote:
    So the US, out of the goodness of her heart, is protecting EUROPE from African cocaine routes?
    Does this not bother Americans? To be funding a drug war to protect other countries? I mean...I can understand why you could allow yourself to be fleeced into thinking that the true point to this drug war is to protect AMERICANS from the cocaine trade.....but does it not set off all kinds of alarms when you read that you're aiding wars on another continent to protect a third party? wtf?


    This shit is all cover for imperialist ambitions. AFRICOM.....
    Re-colonizing Africa.

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175567/ ... n_africa_/

    It bothers me a lot. It's just another place we are trying to spread our influence and ways. Soon we will instill "Democracy" and back a dictator... Assuming they give us something in return.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    peacefrompaul wrote:

    It bothers me a lot. It's just another place we are trying to spread our influence and ways. Soon we will instill "Democracy" and back a dictator... Assuming they give us something in return.
    I guess my question was a bit rhetorical....anyone who doesn't support the drug war would be bothered by this....anyone who does support the drug war is probably ok with it (or at least finds a way to justify it to themselves).......
    I've been reading a fair amount about AFRICOM lately, and the increasing Western presence in Africa....pretty sad, the excuses we come up with to keep the MIC rolling, isn't it?

    To address your point godfather: How do you see the supply ‘war’ spilling over into America, in any way that it’s not already? The supply industry is already established….
    This does raise a good point as far as issues to be dealt with in the supply countries. You can bet that Western corporations would want in on the action as a condition of letting their political puppets support the new legislation…..so you’d likely have Big Pharma, the alcohol industry, and any other business claiming they'd be affected by this, trying to weasel in on the supply side. (Maybe Coke would start putting cocaine in their softdrinks again....mmm, energy drinks :-P )
    So I guess the questions are: Do you try to remove the leaders of the cartels and nationalize their operations? Remove them and privatize the industry (sell it to the highest bidder – likely multi-national corporations)….or do you simply legitimize the industry? I'm guessing the US would push for option #2...which would lead to some bloodshed, no doubt. But not any more than we already have.....None of these options could be implemented without some serious bumps in the road….but in the long run, it would result in a less violent trade, with a more empathetic approach to addiction. Imho....but we're kinda veering from the topic here, I suppose.
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