Inside look at China's vile dog meat markets(Graphic Photos)

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

How are the factory farms doing in the U.S these days? The animals there being treated well?

Of course they're not treated well and I've offered my opinion in these threads among others

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... ctory+farm

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... &hilit=gag

Byrnzie wrote:

And Godfather, people don't eat dog, and rat, and whatever else in China because they're poor. China's not a poor country anymore. It's the 2nd biggest economy in the World, and expected to overtake the U.S by the year 2020. The reasons some people here eat that type of food is purely cultural.

How are we to view a culture that is threatening to wipe out endangered species such as Tigers, Elephants and Rhinos among others all in the name of "traditional" chinese medicine which has been proven to be a crock of shit.

Byrnzie wrote:

By the way, do you eat meat?

No

Don't forget shark fin soup. Sharks pay a pretty high price for their dorsal fins to become the feature ingredient in a bowl of soup.

I get the dogs thing and don't really have a problem with it- we do the same to other animals; but I don't get the seemingly uncaring attitude that the Chinese exhibit towards 'luxury' animals.

Byrnzie

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Don't forget shark fin soup. Sharks pay a pretty high price for their dorsal fins to become the feature ingredient in a bowl of soup.

I get the dogs thing and don't really have a problem with it- we do the same to other animals; but I don't get the seemingly uncaring attitude that the Chinese exhibit towards 'luxury' animals.

A lot of them eat ducks heads, and chickens feet, e.t.c. Also, eggs with the fetus inside, and whole chicks. It's pretty disgusting.
They eat this shit because they think that by eating a particular part of an animal, or a whole animal, they'll imbibe it's qualities. I.e, eating a brain will make you smarter. I sometimes get into discussions with them here on this subject, and ask them obvious questions like, 'If you could eat 20 ducks heads a day then why aren't there millions of Albert Einsteins in China?' Or, 'Why not chickens heads?' They tell me that chickens are stupid. Go figure. i.e, ducks are smart??

Yeah, it's kind of warped.

But at the same time, the Western countries have been raping the Earths resources and destroying the rainforests for decades because they can, and because they think they have a right to. So what's the difference? Both cultures are deluded and destructive.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Don't forget shark fin soup. Sharks pay a pretty high price for their dorsal fins to become the feature ingredient in a bowl of soup.

I get the dogs thing and don't really have a problem with it- we do the same to other animals; but I don't get the seemingly uncaring attitude that the Chinese exhibit towards 'luxury' animals.

A lot of them eat ducks heads, and chickens feet, e.t.c. Also, eggs with the fetus inside, and whole chicks. It's pretty disgusting.
They eat this shit because they think that by eating a particular part of an animal, or a whole animal, they'll imbibe it's qualities. I.e, eating a brain will make you smarter. I sometimes get into discussions with them here on this subject, and ask them obvious questions like, 'If you could eat 20 ducks heads a day then why aren't there millions of Albert Einsteins in China?' Or, 'Why not chickens heads?' They tell me that chickens are stupid. Go figure. i.e, ducks are smart??

Yeah, it's kind of warped.

But at the same time, the Western countries have been raping the Earths resources and destroying the rainforests for decades because they can, and because they think they have a right to. So what's the difference? Both cultures are deluded and destructive.

Don't get me wrong... I have plenty of problems with western culture. I was merely expressing my dissatisfaction with the practice of finning.

And I am aware of some of those 'gross' items you have referred to and more: Three Squeak Mice, spiders, etc. Not for me- not even on the most tempting of dares.

Pingfah

grooveme wrote:

Pingfah wrote:

I tend to agree that the opposition to dog meat is just cultural, I can't see any reason why dogs should be treated differently to other animals, it's not like they are endangered, or hard to breed.

Cruelty to animals is wrong though, livestock should never be beaten or injured, and many mass farming techniques we have developed are deplorable. Consumers are used to cheap meat now though, poor families rely on it in fact, and outlawing some of these practices would push meat prices up sharply, so they will remain.

If poor families need cheap meat, why is obesity so high amongst the poor? Maybe they should be eating less meat and less of everything

This displays a fundamental lack of understanding of what commonly leads to obesity in the poor. It's not from eating cheap fresh meat, that's for sure. Poor people are more obese because even with fresh meat and vegetables as cheap as they are, it is still cheaper to get large amounts of calories from fast food.

Meat prices going up is not going to help people eat less fast food, it's only going to make matters even worse. Opining nonsense like "maybe they should be eating less of everything" is a completely lazy manner of sidestepping the complex economic and cultural factors involved. In case you haven't noticed, just telling poor people what they should be doing is not helping shit.

grooveme

Pingfah wrote:

grooveme wrote:

Pingfah wrote:

I tend to agree that the opposition to dog meat is just cultural, I can't see any reason why dogs should be treated differently to other animals, it's not like they are endangered, or hard to breed.

Cruelty to animals is wrong though, livestock should never be beaten or injured, and many mass farming techniques we have developed are deplorable. Consumers are used to cheap meat now though, poor families rely on it in fact, and outlawing some of these practices would push meat prices up sharply, so they will remain.

If poor families need cheap meat, why is obesity so high amongst the poor? Maybe they should be eating less meat and less of everything

This displays a fundamental lack of understanding of what commonly leads to obesity in the poor. It's not from eating cheap fresh meat, that's for sure. Poor people are more obese because even with fresh meat and vegetables as cheap as they are, it is still cheaper to get large amounts of calories from fast food.

Meat prices going up is not going to help people eat less fast food, it's only going to make matters even worse. Opining nonsense like "maybe they should be eating less of everything" is a completely lazy manner of sidestepping the complex economic and cultural factors involved. In case you haven't noticed, just telling poor people what they should be doing is not helping shit.

If your argument is correct, then cheap meat won't help these people at all, while condemning billions of animals a year to a short life of nothing but misery. As well as being ethical, a plant based diet is the most efficient and environmentally sound way to feed a larger number of people. And yes, people are obese because they eat too much, and usually too much crap.

Pingfah

grooveme wrote:

If your argument is correct, then cheap meat won't help these people at all, while condemning billions of animals a year to a short life of nothing but misery. As well as being ethical, a plant based diet is the most efficient and environmentally sound way to feed a larger number of people. And yes, people are obese because they eat too much, and usually too much crap.

Obviously you didn't read or comprehend my post properly, because at no point did I say obese people do not eat too much crap. I pointed out that there are complex reasons why poor people tend to eat the wrong things, leading to greater instances of obesity in the poor.

Taking away their access to cheap fresh meat is obviously only going to push them further into eating cheap processed foods, and spouting some vegetarian utopia pipe dream is not going to help the situation either. Just telling poor overweight people they should be vegetarian instead is functionally useless, and utterly impractical since cheap processed foods are still much cheaper than fresh vegetables and fruit.

Byrnzie

By the way, dog meat isn't common in China. It's a rarity. In 6 years of living here I've seen it on a restaurant table once.
And nearly everyone I've asked about it has said they've never eaten and have no interest in eating it.
There's a province in the South where it's popular - Guizhou; and in Guangdong (bordering Hong Kong) they're notorious for eating anything that moves. But apart from that you'll be hard pressed to find it in most places.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie wrote:

By the way, dog meat isn't common in China. It's a rarity. In 6 years of living here I've seen it on a restaurant table once.
And nearly everyone I've asked about it has said they've never eaten and have no interest in eating it.
There's a province in the South where it's popular - Guizhou; and in Guangdong (bordering Hong Kong) they're notorious for eating anything that moves. But apart from that you'll be hard pressed to find it in most places.

Eeesh.

chadwick

it could be china is shipping dog meat out to cambodia, vietnam, laos & other destinations
i looked them up & all those places listed above have dog meat trade flourishing.
i will not put the link here but there's a youtube video titled: "hell on earth - thailand's dog meat trade"

just watched a dog barbeque in cambodia... disrespectful assholes
one guy keeps beating a very dead roasting dog across its head with his badass little stick/club
jerk

JonnyPistachio

Byrnzie wrote:

They eat this shit because they think that by eating a particular part of an animal, or a whole animal, they'll imbibe it's qualities. I.e, eating a brain will make you smarter. I sometimes get into discussions with them here on this subject, and ask them obvious questions like, 'If you could eat 20 ducks heads a day then why aren't there millions of Albert Einsteins in China?' Or, 'Why not chickens heads?' They tell me that chickens are stupid. Go figure. i.e, ducks are smart??

Yeah, it's kind of warped.

You better get the fuck out of there Byrnzie, before they finally figure out that you're smart and try to eat your brains! :P

rollings

this is how homo sapiens acquired intelligence... they ate all the other monkeys' brains.

true story.



edit: nom nom

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

They eat this shit because they think that by eating a particular part of an animal, or a whole animal, they'll imbibe it's qualities. I.e, eating a brain will make you smarter. I sometimes get into discussions with them here on this subject, and ask them obvious questions like, 'If you could eat 20 ducks heads a day then why aren't there millions of Albert Einsteins in China?' Or, 'Why not chickens heads?' They tell me that chickens are stupid. Go figure. i.e, ducks are smart??

Yeah, it's kind of warped.

You better get the fuck out of there Byrnzie, before they finally figure out that you're smart and try to eat your brains! :P

And, think about it: in Guangdong (bordering Hong Kong) they're notorious for eating anything that moves.

I bet you anything Byrnzie moves.

grooveme

Pingfah wrote:

grooveme wrote:

If your argument is correct, then cheap meat won't help these people at all, while condemning billions of animals a year to a short life of nothing but misery. As well as being ethical, a plant based diet is the most efficient and environmentally sound way to feed a larger number of people. And yes, people are obese because they eat too much, and usually too much crap.

Obviously you didn't read or comprehend my post properly, because at no point did I say obese people do not eat too much crap. I pointed out that there are complex reasons why poor people tend to eat the wrong things, leading to greater instances of obesity in the poor.

Taking away their access to cheap fresh meat is obviously only going to push them further into eating cheap processed foods, and spouting some vegetarian utopia pipe dream is not going to help the situation either. Just telling poor overweight people they should be vegetarian instead is functionally useless, and utterly impractical since cheap processed foods are still much cheaper than fresh vegetables and fruit.

I don't appreciate your insinuation that I am stupid or ignorant because I disagree with you.

Meat is already cheap. And unhealthy. It is high in calories, high in fat, and high in cholesterol, none of which are helpful to your health, especially if you are already fat. In addition, on a global scale, more resources are required to produce meat than plant foods (since space could be used to grow plants for human consumption rather than to grow crops for animals, which is comparatively inefficient), which is what I mean when I say that more people can be fed on a vegetarian diet than on an animal based diet. Vegetables and fruits are more expensive comparatively because they do not have an effective lobby (at least here in the US - I have no idea what goes on in the UK). Government subsidies should be directed toward fruits, vegetables, and healthy grains, rather than meat, dairy, and corn. This would help get people off the crap food. But there is a lot of resistance from the lobbyists and their servants in Congress.

And finally, no argument for cheap meat makes animal abuse and torture in factory farms ethical. And back to the original topic - looking down your nose at the Chinese for treating animals this way while condoning factory farming methods in the US is hypocritical

Pingfah

I did not insinuate you were stupid, I insinuated you had accused me of saying something I didn't say, which you just did again by claiming I condoned US Factory farming methods, when in fact all I did was note that they aren't going anywhere. So not only are you accusing me of saying things I did not say, now you are calling me a hypocrite for endorsing farming methods I did not endorse. In fact, my inital post clearly stated I abhore mass farming methods, and totally oppose animal cruelty. At no point did I say I personally condone anything.

Your point about redirecting subsidies towards making fruit and veg cheaper was a good one, obviously I support whatever can be done to bring down these prices as that is essential to solving the obesity problem, although there's a place for fresh meat in a healthy diet too. If only you'd started with something like that instead of throwing out platitudes like "maybe fat people should eat less!", I might have taken you more seriously.

grooveme

Pingfah wrote:

I did not insinuate you were stupid, I insinuated you had accused me of saying something I didn't say, which you just did again by claiming I condoned US Factory farming methods, when in fact all I did was note that they aren't going anywhere. So not only are you accusing me of saying things I did not say, now you are calling me a hypocrite for endorsing farming methods I did not endorse. In fact, my inital post clearly stated I abhore mass farming methods, and totally oppose animal cruelty. At no point did I say I personally condone anything.

Your point about redirecting subsidies towards making fruit and veg cheaper was a good one, obviously I support whatever can be done to bring down these prices as that is essential to solving the obesity problem, although there's a place for fresh meat in a healthy diet too. If only you'd started with something like that instead of throwing out platitudes like "maybe fat people should eat less!", I might have taken you more seriously.

I have no desire to further discuss this topic with you, because I don't care to talk with someone who insults me and condescends to me, but I will say that you did seem to condone factory farming by implying that this is the only way to ensure "cheap meat." I will also reassert that people need to eat less, at least in the US, since over half the population is overweight . Especially obese people.

grooveme

Pingfah wrote:

I tend to agree that the opposition to dog meat is just cultural, I can't see any reason why dogs should be treated differently to other animals, it's not like they are endangered, or hard to breed.

Cruelty to animals is wrong though, livestock should never be beaten or injured, and many mass farming techniques we have developed are deplorable. Consumers are used to cheap meat now though, poor families rely on it in fact, and outlawing some of these practices would push meat prices up sharply, so they will remain.

If this does not imply that mass farming techniques are inevitable to supply cheap meat, perhaps I do have poor reading comprehension.

Pingfah

You also have a very poor vocabulary, because noting that something is inevitable is not at all the same thing as condoning it.

If I say it is inevitable that Assad will continue to bomb his own cities in Syria, does that mean I am condoning it? No of course it doesn't. But by all means, continue to invent things you think I have said and then argue against them.