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  • rick1zoo2
    rick1zoo2 between a rock and a dumb place Posts: 12,632
    I once had one of these fishes stalk me while I was surfing. I couldnt escape the damned thing and it started to freak me out. :mrgreen: Evolution at its finest...

    Scientists Confirm Theory Regarding the Origins of the Sucking Disc of Remora Fish

    June 6, 2013 — Remora fish, with a sucking disc on top of their heads, have been the stuff of legend. They often attach themselves to the hulls of boats and in ancient times were thought to purposely slow the boat down. While that is a misunderstanding, something else not well understood was the origins of the fish's odd sucking disc. Scientists at the Smithsonian Institution and London's Natural History Museum, however, have solved that mystery proving that the disc is actually a greatly modified dorsal fin.

    The world's eight species of remoras range from 1 to 3 feet and are primarily found in tropical open-ocean waters. They use their sucking disc to attach themselves to large marine animals and feed off of scraps of food and parasites from the larger animal.

    The idea that the sucker disc is developed from the dorsal fin is not new and dates to the early 1800s. Since then, many scientists have suggested it was derived from the dorsal fin but nobody had studied the development of the remora from its earliest larval stages. "One reason I think this hasn't been done before is due to the difficulty in finding early stage remora larvae" said Dave Johnson, zoologist at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History and co-author of the research. "In our study we closely tracked the development of the sucking disc beginning with tiny remora larvae, through to juvenile and adult remoras. We followed the earliest stages of the disc's development by matching the first vestiges of elements of the sucking disc with the first vestiges of elements of the dorsal fins of another fish, the white perch (Morone americana), which has the typical dorsal fin of most fishes."

    By doing this, the team was able to identify which of three main fin elements -- the distal radials, the proximal-middle radials, and the fin spines -- are radically modified and develop into the different elements of the remora's unusual disc.

    Up to a certain stage in the fish's development, the dorsal fin can be seen developing in the same way and looking very similar in both fishes. Then, through a series of small changes, the remora's dorsal fin begins to expand and shift towards the head. By the time the remora has reached about 30mm in length, the dorsal fin has become a fully formed 2mm sucking disc. It still has the components found in the dorsal fin, the tiny fin spines, spine bases and supporting bones, but the spine bases have greatly expanded.

    This research thus confirmed that the sucking disc is formed by a massive expansion of the dorsal fin through small changes while the fish is developing. It is not the result of the evolution of a completely new structure.
    Before developing their disc, remora larvae have very distinctive hooked teeth protruding from the lower jaw. "Because remora larvae at this stage are relatively rare in plankton collections, I have often wondered, although we don't have any evidence for it, if maybe remora larvae are not free living in the plankton layer but go into the gill cavities of fishes and use their hooked teeth to hang on until they develop a disc," said Johnson. "Fodder for future research."


    that kinda sucks...
  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    81 wrote:
    Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ecstasy, and Alcohol

    i have 2 of those at home.

    I've got 5... :shifty:
    The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.

    - Christopher McCandless
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    RKCNDY wrote:
    81 wrote:
    Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ecstasy, and Alcohol

    i have 2 of those at home.

    I've got 5... :shifty:


    Want to make some $$$?
  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013


    Want to make some $$$?

    $1 per smoke really isn't gonna get me that far... :lol:
    The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.

    - Christopher McCandless
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    RKCNDY wrote:


    Want to make some $$$?

    $1 per smoke really isn't gonna get me that far... :lol:

    What?
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    RKCNDY wrote:


    Want to make some $$$?

    $1 per smoke really isn't gonna get me that far... :lol:


    I was really just interested in the vicodin :P

    mmmmm vicodin
  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    I was really just interested in the vicodin :P

    mmmmm vicodin

    that stuff sucks....i was extremely disapointed in it.
    81 is now off the air

    Off_Air.jpg
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    81 wrote:
    I was really just interested in the vicodin :P

    mmmmm vicodin

    that stuff sucks....i was extremely disapointed in it.


    Gotta double up
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    81 wrote:
    I was really just interested in the vicodin :P

    mmmmm vicodin

    that stuff sucks....i was extremely disapointed in it.

    how many mg's did you take? i need at least 750mg of vicodin for it to take effect
  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    I was really just interested in the vicodin :P

    mmmmm vicodin

    that stuff sucks....i was extremely disapointed in it.


    Gotta double up

    i did :fp: :lol:
    81 is now off the air

    Off_Air.jpg
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    norm wrote:
    tumblr_mo1g38zL0A1qewacoo1_r2_500.jpg
    that is awesome
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    I never used tumblr until I googled yoga pants, tumbler and added it to my flipboard account.


    :shock:
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    LloydXmas wrote:
    I never used tumblr until I googled yoga pants, tumbler and added it to my flipboard account.


    :shock:


    Thank You
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    LloydXmas wrote:
    I never used tumblr until I googled yoga pants, tumbler and added it to my flipboard account.


    :shock:


    Thank You
    no problem. I also added a Kate Upton tumblr too.. It's fantastic.
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    LloydXmas wrote:
    LloydXmas wrote:
    I never used tumblr until I googled yoga pants, tumbler and added it to my flipboard account.


    :shock:


    Thank You
    no problem. I also added a Kate Upton tumblr too.. It's fantastic.


    Some of these women are topless i am shocked to report
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539


    Some of these women are topless i am shocked to report
    the horror
  • rick1zoo2
    rick1zoo2 between a rock and a dumb place Posts: 12,632
    81 wrote:
    81 wrote:
    I was really just interested in the vicodin :P

    mmmmm vicodin

    that stuff sucks....i was extremely disapointed in it.


    Gotta double up

    i did :fp: :lol:

    didn't we just have this discussion, like last week? :think:
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    rick1zoo2 wrote:

    didn't we just have this discussion, like last week? :think:


    man i don't remember this weekend
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Jesus Christ, it's hotter than ball sack in here.... The fuck is that AC doing? It's making noises but it certainly isn't delivering.