Eric Holder needs to go.
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Sure is funny how the left leaning posters haven't said a word about this. The death of Brian Terry and for over a year the UN JUSTICE DEPT has done nothing but stonewalled and out right lied to the House Committe.What we are seeing is one of the most if not the most Corrupt administrations in our life time and given the fact that we have a president who thinks he can just govern by fiats and by Executive orders I find deeply appalling. Don't you guys care about the rule of law and an administration that thinks that they can get away with this kind of behavior ? :?
The House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for his failure to comply with a congressional subpoena over Operation Fast and Furious.
According to a release House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa sent out Monday morning — first reported by CBS News’ Sharyl Attkisson — the committee will vote to hold Holder in contempt next Wednesday, June 20.
“For over a year and a half, the House Oversight Committee, with Senator Chuck Grassley, has conducted a joint investigation of reckless conduct in Operation Fast and Furious,” Issa said in the vote’s announcement. “With the support of House leadership, the Republican Conference, and even some Democratic Members who have expressed concern to the White House over the Justice Department’s failure to cooperate, this investigation has yielded significant results. The Attorney General has acknowledged that the operation was fundamentally flawed and he has committed to take steps to ensure that it does not occur again. Evidence found in applications for wiretaps shows that although senior officials were given information about reckless tactics, they still signed affirmations that they had reviewed the investigation and determined that electronic surveillance of phones was necessary.”
Issa added that the Obama administration “has not asserted Executive Privilege or any other valid privilege over these materials and it is unacceptable that the Department of Justice refuses to produce them.”
“These documents pertain to Operation Fast and Furious, the claims of whistleblowers, and why it took the Department nearly a year to retract false denials of reckless tactics,” Issa said.
Holder has demonstrably failed to comply with all 22 parts of a congressional subpoena that Issa served him last October. With respect to 13 of the subpoena’s categories, Holder has provided no documents. He remains far from compliant with regard to the other subpoena categories as well.
Because of Holder’s failure to comply, Issa and others have threatened contempt of Congress proceedings against him. Since Holder again failed to offer any legal reasoning for his continued defiance of the subpoena last Thursday before the House Judiciary Committee, it appears House leaders are getting to move with those contempt proceedings.
After the Oversight Committee would vote to hold him in contempt – which it appears as though it would – a full House floor vote would likely be scheduled. When recently asked whether he supports contempt against Holder, House Speaker John Boehner said he thinks “all options are on the table.”
In a Monday morning statement, Boehner said he’ll push the contempt proceedings as well.
“The Justice Department is out of excuses,” Boehner said on Monday. “Congress has given Attorney General Holder more than enough time to fully cooperate with its investigation into ‘Fast and Furious,’ and to help uncover the circumstances regarding the death of Border Agent Brian Terry. Agent Terry’s family, the whistleblowers who brought this issue to light, and the American people deserve answers. Either the Justice Department turns over the information requested, or Congress will have no choice but to move forward with holding the Attorney General in contempt for obstructing an ongoing investigation.”
Issa said Holder can still stop the contempt of Congress proceedings: If he complies with the subpoena and gives up the documents, contempt will stop.
“While the Justice Department can still stop the process of contempt, this will only occur through the delivery of the post February 4, 2011, documents related to Operation Fast and Furious and whistleblower accusations subpoenaed by the Committee,” Issa said. “If the Attorney General decides to produce these subpoenaed documents, I am confident we can reach agreement on other materials and render the process of contempt unnecessary.”
The announcement of the contempt vote in the committee comes on the heels of Holder’s latest appearance before Congress on the issue – where he again stonewalled on the Fast and Furious subpoena. Holder also admitted President Barack Obama’s chief campaign strategist David Axelrod and the White House are helping the Department of Justice craft its messaging about Operation Fast and Furious.
“We [Holder, Axelrod and the White House] have certainly talked about ways in which we could deal with the interaction between the Justice Department and Congress — about ways in which we would,” Holder said under oath before Congress.
Virginia Republican Rep. Randy Forbes pressed Holder further by asking him if Axelrod, Obama’s re-election campaign and the White House were involved in crafting the DOJ’s policy for dealing with press. He said they were. “In terms of trying to get any message out that was consistent with facts and make sure it was done in an appropriate way, I’ve had conversations like that with people in the White House.”
On Sunday, Axelrod denied helping Holder with such issues – directly contradicting Holder’s testimony before Congress.
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The House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for his failure to comply with a congressional subpoena over Operation Fast and Furious.
According to a release House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa sent out Monday morning — first reported by CBS News’ Sharyl Attkisson — the committee will vote to hold Holder in contempt next Wednesday, June 20.
“For over a year and a half, the House Oversight Committee, with Senator Chuck Grassley, has conducted a joint investigation of reckless conduct in Operation Fast and Furious,” Issa said in the vote’s announcement. “With the support of House leadership, the Republican Conference, and even some Democratic Members who have expressed concern to the White House over the Justice Department’s failure to cooperate, this investigation has yielded significant results. The Attorney General has acknowledged that the operation was fundamentally flawed and he has committed to take steps to ensure that it does not occur again. Evidence found in applications for wiretaps shows that although senior officials were given information about reckless tactics, they still signed affirmations that they had reviewed the investigation and determined that electronic surveillance of phones was necessary.”
Issa added that the Obama administration “has not asserted Executive Privilege or any other valid privilege over these materials and it is unacceptable that the Department of Justice refuses to produce them.”
“These documents pertain to Operation Fast and Furious, the claims of whistleblowers, and why it took the Department nearly a year to retract false denials of reckless tactics,” Issa said.
Holder has demonstrably failed to comply with all 22 parts of a congressional subpoena that Issa served him last October. With respect to 13 of the subpoena’s categories, Holder has provided no documents. He remains far from compliant with regard to the other subpoena categories as well.
Because of Holder’s failure to comply, Issa and others have threatened contempt of Congress proceedings against him. Since Holder again failed to offer any legal reasoning for his continued defiance of the subpoena last Thursday before the House Judiciary Committee, it appears House leaders are getting to move with those contempt proceedings.
After the Oversight Committee would vote to hold him in contempt – which it appears as though it would – a full House floor vote would likely be scheduled. When recently asked whether he supports contempt against Holder, House Speaker John Boehner said he thinks “all options are on the table.”
In a Monday morning statement, Boehner said he’ll push the contempt proceedings as well.
“The Justice Department is out of excuses,” Boehner said on Monday. “Congress has given Attorney General Holder more than enough time to fully cooperate with its investigation into ‘Fast and Furious,’ and to help uncover the circumstances regarding the death of Border Agent Brian Terry. Agent Terry’s family, the whistleblowers who brought this issue to light, and the American people deserve answers. Either the Justice Department turns over the information requested, or Congress will have no choice but to move forward with holding the Attorney General in contempt for obstructing an ongoing investigation.”
Issa said Holder can still stop the contempt of Congress proceedings: If he complies with the subpoena and gives up the documents, contempt will stop.
“While the Justice Department can still stop the process of contempt, this will only occur through the delivery of the post February 4, 2011, documents related to Operation Fast and Furious and whistleblower accusations subpoenaed by the Committee,” Issa said. “If the Attorney General decides to produce these subpoenaed documents, I am confident we can reach agreement on other materials and render the process of contempt unnecessary.”
The announcement of the contempt vote in the committee comes on the heels of Holder’s latest appearance before Congress on the issue – where he again stonewalled on the Fast and Furious subpoena. Holder also admitted President Barack Obama’s chief campaign strategist David Axelrod and the White House are helping the Department of Justice craft its messaging about Operation Fast and Furious.
“We [Holder, Axelrod and the White House] have certainly talked about ways in which we could deal with the interaction between the Justice Department and Congress — about ways in which we would,” Holder said under oath before Congress.
Virginia Republican Rep. Randy Forbes pressed Holder further by asking him if Axelrod, Obama’s re-election campaign and the White House were involved in crafting the DOJ’s policy for dealing with press. He said they were. “In terms of trying to get any message out that was consistent with facts and make sure it was done in an appropriate way, I’ve had conversations like that with people in the White House.”
On Sunday, Axelrod denied helping Holder with such issues – directly contradicting Holder’s testimony before Congress.
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This whole thing is just reminiscent of "Iran-Contra" which probably should have been called
The-"CIA-Trafficked-Columbian-Cocaine-To-Arkansa-Under-Bill-Clintons-Watch-And-At-Reagan-And-George-Bushs-Behest-To-Sell-Drugs-To-Americans-To-Get-Money-To-Buy-Illegal-Serial-Numberless-Machine-Guns-To-Give-To-The-Israelis-To-Give-To-The-Iranians-Who-May-Or-May-Not-Free-Our-Hostages-And-Also-Make-Some-Cash-To-Fund-The-Anti-Communists-In-Nicaragua"-Scandal
My point in bringing THAT scandal up is to note that:
it was NOT "partisan"
it was not a bunch of republicans lying to congress
it, in fact, was the should-have-been secret inner workings of a rouge secret "government" cabal that had plans that conflicted with the stated regulations of a "Free" country's congress. The CIA, probably with implicit (if not explicit) approval from Mr. George Bush Sr. (former CIA head, himself), was sending cocaine to Mena, Arkansa, running the scheme through BILL CLINTON's office (as Governor, he allegedly signed these checks run through the Arkansa Development Finance Authority)
So my ultimate point is:
THIS IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE SAME REALM OF THINGS.
We probably won't know for YEARS (if ever) what the fuck is really going on here,
but I'm pretty sure it is not just a bunch of Democratic Assholes lying to congress.
The Attorney General is just the head of a branch of government that more than likely has shady dealings with parties on all sides of the political spectrum who WORK IN COLLUSION toward the achievement of very NON-PUBLIC goals.
Who knows what they were really trying to do down there, whether it was a "fuck up" or something MUCH more "sinister". But turning it in to a partisan shit-slinging match just seems to lead to nothing of importance.
Certainly, the REAL take-away from "Iran Contra" would have been missed if we just dismissed it as "some asshole Republicans selling guns to Iranians". There was a MUCH larger issue to be understood.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Good point but that still is worthy of dismissal... to me anyway. I don't care if he's a Democrat or a Republican.
The Iran-Contra affair and the drug dealings go to show you the downside of having a secret organization that hardly has to answer for what they do.
It creeps me out
Don't forget about the upsides of the one's you don't know about.
President Barack Obama invoked executive privilege on Wednesday for the first time since taking office to withhold certain Justice Department documents tied to the flawed "Operation Fast and Furious" gun-smuggling investigation from a House panel demanding them. Obama's 11th-hour decision, revealed in a letter from the Justice Department to House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, did not derail the California Republican's plans to hold a vote declaring Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-invokes-executive-privilege-holder-faces-contempt-vote-143710603.html
I don't know if they have upsides because I don't know about them. I can only assume, and I assume they have more negatives than positives.
"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this Presidency"
Got me humming the Beatles tune now...
"I'm looking through you, where did you go?"
We should be used to him hiding evidence though. Holder and Obama need to go.
there was similarly zero outrage over the things that bush chose to hide...
IMO there should be no executive privilege. not for any president. it is a public office they are holding, and the people should be allowed to have the information that we want.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
sounds like you are quoting Senator Obama from 2007
but if they wanted executive privilege to cover these documents why wait 9 months until the morning of the AGs contempt hearing to invoke it? and how are they executive privileging documents that the DOJ and WH both have insisted up until May of this year did not even exsist?
— Socrates
Bush 6 Clinton 14. Didn't I also read that it has been invoked 24 times since Reagan...so great, Obama hasn't done it as much as Bush...he is also a 2nd term shy of time served. There is always outrage when a president invokes executive privilege...see 2007 with Rove.
They all do it.
But I agree, executive privilege is ridiculous. it just another way of saying what Nixon said...when the president does it it isn't illegal...Not that President Obama did anything illegal here, just the overall spirit of the comment...they can do whatever they want because they know what is best...they only need to tell us what they think we need to know.
executive privilege...similar to the fact that up until very recently when the legislature in MN was in session, they couldn't get DUI's...seriously.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Well screw George Bush too. That was then though and this is now.
Of course, by three years into my term I would have abolished congress and established a theocracy where I was the divine ruler ... it would be for the greater good of all. :angel:
where are the jobs again????
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So, in theory, if Obama doesn't get re-elected and Romney fails to make this country absolutely stellar, I guess the right can't blame Obama. Cause apparently after 3 months an ex-president is excused from everything he did during his term(s).
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
please.
you really believe that they want to get rid of your guns?
as bernie sanders has said, the republicans are making up a version of obama to run against. they are making him the boogieman...and there is no substance to most of the accusations that the right is making...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm not saying that at all. They should all be held accountable. But the fact of the matter is we are currently talking about Holder and Obama... Not Bush and Ashcroft/Gonzalez/Clement/Keisler/Mukasey
Well obama's latest executive order is allowing 800,000 young people that are illegal aliens to stick around and compete for those jobs.
Don't cry wag the dog when your guy plays the same game. Hate the game? Or was it the player? I forget.
I'm very happy that these young folks get to stay here , thank you Obama ...