Waters v. Gilmore

mookeywrench
mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
edited June 2012 in Other Music
Casual fan of Pink Floyd here...

I was talking about the Wall Tour with someone who's been a Floyd fan since the 60's and they said, I would never pay money to see Roger Waters, I can't stand him.

Obviously there was the breakup between the band that I know about on a surface level, but what's making people take extreme sides between the two?
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  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    Other than the break-up, there was some other drama surrounding Pink Floyd's demise. I think Roger tried to sue Gilmour and Co. to keep them from using the name Pink Floyd.

    Also, the latter days of the band might leave a bad taste in some people's mouths, the way Roger took more and more control to the point that by "The Final Cut" it's was basically just Roger Waters solo with members of the band playing on only some tracks. In fact I think Mason was only paid as a session musician for the album.
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  • FenwayFaithful
    FenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    Gilmore every day of every week
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  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    SatansFuton wrote:
    Other than the break-up, there was some other drama surrounding Pink Floyd's demise. I think Roger tried to sue Gilmour and Co. to keep them from using the name Pink Floyd.

    Also, the latter days of the band might leave a bad taste in some people's mouths, the way Roger took more and more control to the point that by "The Final Cut" it's was basically just Roger Waters solo with members of the band playing on only some tracks. In fact I think Mason was only paid as a session musician for the album.

    Spot on with your info from what I know.
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  • PHATJ
    PHATJ Posts: 348
    Better Songwriter - Waters

    Better Musician - Gilmour

    Better Singer - Gilmour is a vastly superior singer technically and I do love his voice. Waters voice is very unique and although he isn't a technically strong singer, his voice fits the mood of Floyd's music very well.

    Better Solo Career - Waters. The Amused to Death album is spectacular. I love Gilmour's On An Island album, but Waters' is slightly better. Radio K.A.O.S. and The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking are better efforts then early Gilmour solo material as well.


    Conclusion: I love them both. Pink Floyd is the greatest band of all time.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Creatively, I'd give it to Roger Waters.

    As a musician/singer/performer, it's got to be Gilmour.

    There is no price I wouldn't pay to see them play a full concert together.
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  • Brisk.
    Brisk. Posts: 11,581
    edited June 2012
    Pfttttttt

    Gilmour!!
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Gilmore every day of every week
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  • PHATJ
    PHATJ Posts: 348
    You people can't even spell Gilmour correctly. :nono: What could you possibly know?
    "I'll Ride the wave where it takes me. I'll Hold the pain. RELEASE ME!"

  • oona left
    oona left Posts: 1,677
    PHATJ wrote:
    Better Songwriter - Waters

    Better Musician - Gilmour

    Better Singer - Gilmour is a vastly superior singer technically and I do love his voice. Waters voice is very unique and although he isn't a technically strong singer, his voice fits the mood of Floyd's music very well.

    Better Solo Career - Waters. The Amused to Death album is spectacular. I love Gilmour's On An Island album, but Waters' is slightly better. Radio K.A.O.S. and The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking are better efforts then early Gilmour solo material as well.


    Conclusion: I love them both. Pink Floyd is the greatest band of all time.

    Fantastic summary.
  • FenwayFaithful
    FenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    PHATJ wrote:
    You people can't even spell Gilmour correctly. :nono: What could you possibly know?
    I always confuse him with Happy.
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  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,048
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Gilmore every day of every week
    This!
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    PHATJ wrote:
    You people can't even spell Gilmour correctly. :nono: What could you possibly know?
    I always confuse him with Happy.
    his father was Greek,this is the right way to call him in greek.ill allow it. :mrgreen:
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  • dcfaithful
    dcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    PHATJ wrote:
    You people can't even spell Gilmour correctly. :nono: What could you possibly know?
    I always confuse him with Happy.

    Next up, Happy Gilmore.

    *under breath* Who the hell is Happy Gilmore?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,594
    stargirl69 wrote:
    SatansFuton wrote:
    Other than the break-up, there was some other drama surrounding Pink Floyd's demise. I think Roger tried to sue Gilmour and Co. to keep them from using the name Pink Floyd.

    Also, the latter days of the band might leave a bad taste in some people's mouths, the way Roger took more and more control to the point that by "The Final Cut" it's was basically just Roger Waters solo with members of the band playing on only some tracks. In fact I think Mason was only paid as a session musician for the album.

    Spot on with your info from what I know.

    Yup. That's a great summary of the situation.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,594
    PHATJ wrote:
    Better Songwriter - Waters

    Better Musician - Gilmour

    Better Singer - Gilmour is a vastly superior singer technically and I do love his voice. Waters voice is very unique and although he isn't a technically strong singer, his voice fits the mood of Floyd's music very well.

    Better Solo Career - Waters. The Amused to Death album is spectacular. I love Gilmour's On An Island album, but Waters' is slightly better. Radio K.A.O.S. and The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking are better efforts then early Gilmour solo material as well.


    Conclusion: I love them both. Pink Floyd is the greatest band of all time.

    Another great summary. There's some high level Floyd expertise around these parts.
  • PJRock75
    PJRock75 Posts: 869
    I guess I'm in the minority here but I will take team Waters any day. He was the dark and disturbed personality of PF and that just makes more interesting music.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    PJRock75 wrote:
    I guess I'm in the minority here but I will take team Waters any day. He was the dark and disturbed personality of PF and that just makes more interesting music.

    Not when you don't have the musical ability to be that interesting.
  • pearljim
    pearljim Posts: 1,312
    DewieCox wrote:
    PJRock75 wrote:
    I guess I'm in the minority here but I will take team Waters any day. He was the dark and disturbed personality of PF and that just makes more interesting music.

    Not when you don't have the musical ability to be that interesting.

    Dewie - I generally agree with your posts but not here. Roger has come out with some fantastic material and what he is doing with The Wall tour is simply amazing. Amused to Death is A+ stuff. I have seen Floyd (The Wall 1980), I have seen all Roger solo tours, all Gilmour solo tours, Pink Floyd after Roger and The Wall 2010 -2012. Without Syd there is no Floyd. After Syd there is no Floyd without Roger. Gilmour enhanced and there is no Floyd as we know now without the combined talents of either man. Enjoy the two individuals for who they are and what they were when together.
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  • Horos
    Horos Posts: 4,518
    It was actually Wright who was out then paid as a touring musician.

    Watersless Floyd is less than spectacular.
    #FHP
  • bindy123
    bindy123 Posts: 210
    Horos wrote:
    It was actually Wright who was out then paid as a touring musician.

    Watersless Floyd is less than spectacular.

    Wright was definately paid as a hired musician after been put out of the band...I dont know about Waters, not that I know of, but there is much I dont know!!!
    My understanding is that after Waters left the band he did everything he could to stop the name of Pink Floyd ever being used...all sorts of legal action and threats...criticised everything they did. I read a story that said he paid a heap of money to get a huge number of toilet rolls made, with prints of Dave Gilmours face on each square...when asked about it Waters denied it, but said he thought it a great idea! :)

    I only really discovered their music in the ninetees, but then got all their albums...to me Dave Gilmour is Pink Floyd, and always will be
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