Waters v. Gilmore
mookeywrench
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Casual fan of Pink Floyd here...
I was talking about the Wall Tour with someone who's been a Floyd fan since the 60's and they said, I would never pay money to see Roger Waters, I can't stand him.
Obviously there was the breakup between the band that I know about on a surface level, but what's making people take extreme sides between the two?
I was talking about the Wall Tour with someone who's been a Floyd fan since the 60's and they said, I would never pay money to see Roger Waters, I can't stand him.
Obviously there was the breakup between the band that I know about on a surface level, but what's making people take extreme sides between the two?
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Also, the latter days of the band might leave a bad taste in some people's mouths, the way Roger took more and more control to the point that by "The Final Cut" it's was basically just Roger Waters solo with members of the band playing on only some tracks. In fact I think Mason was only paid as a session musician for the album.
Spot on with your info from what I know.
Better Musician - Gilmour
Better Singer - Gilmour is a vastly superior singer technically and I do love his voice. Waters voice is very unique and although he isn't a technically strong singer, his voice fits the mood of Floyd's music very well.
Better Solo Career - Waters. The Amused to Death album is spectacular. I love Gilmour's On An Island album, but Waters' is slightly better. Radio K.A.O.S. and The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking are better efforts then early Gilmour solo material as well.
Conclusion: I love them both. Pink Floyd is the greatest band of all time.
As a musician/singer/performer, it's got to be Gilmour.
There is no price I wouldn't pay to see them play a full concert together.
Gilmour!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Fantastic summary.
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Next up, Happy Gilmore.
*under breath* Who the hell is Happy Gilmore?
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Yup. That's a great summary of the situation.
Another great summary. There's some high level Floyd expertise around these parts.
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
Not when you don't have the musical ability to be that interesting.
Dewie - I generally agree with your posts but not here. Roger has come out with some fantastic material and what he is doing with The Wall tour is simply amazing. Amused to Death is A+ stuff. I have seen Floyd (The Wall 1980), I have seen all Roger solo tours, all Gilmour solo tours, Pink Floyd after Roger and The Wall 2010 -2012. Without Syd there is no Floyd. After Syd there is no Floyd without Roger. Gilmour enhanced and there is no Floyd as we know now without the combined talents of either man. Enjoy the two individuals for who they are and what they were when together.
Roberto Clemente.
Watersless Floyd is less than spectacular.
Wright was definately paid as a hired musician after been put out of the band...I dont know about Waters, not that I know of, but there is much I dont know!!!
My understanding is that after Waters left the band he did everything he could to stop the name of Pink Floyd ever being used...all sorts of legal action and threats...criticised everything they did. I read a story that said he paid a heap of money to get a huge number of toilet rolls made, with prints of Dave Gilmours face on each square...when asked about it Waters denied it, but said he thought it a great idea!
I only really discovered their music in the ninetees, but then got all their albums...to me Dave Gilmour is Pink Floyd, and always will be
It was well known that there was a lot of in-fighting, but the way he treated the other members (Wright, in particular) sounds quite shocking. Wright's confidence took constant batterings from Waters, to the point where he was fired from the band during the recording of The Wall (by whom, I'm not sure.)
Funny fact actually - because, on The Wall tour, he was hired as a session musician, he was the only one out of the band to make any money from it – the rest of them lost a lot due to the cost to produce the shows!
I started off by favouring Gilmour. I really like latter day Floyd (probably because P.U.L.S.E. is what introduced me to the band), and disliked Waters even more when I heard he had given Gilmour a rather nasty response at the suggestion they let bygones-be-bygones… (Covered in the song “Poles Apart”, I think…)
However, I have come round to Waters since then, after I watched his “In The Flesh” tour DVD, which is fantastic. He seems to have changed a lot recently, and seems like a much nicer human being… Albeit still retaining what makes him… him!
I’ve been lucky enough to see all of them in concert at some point, alas, not all 4 of them together (Waters/Mason, Gilmour/Wright, Gilmour/Waters/Mason). Unfortunately, there will never be another Pink Floyd reunion without Wright, in my opinion.
I don’t think I could choose between them nowadays. I WOULD probably say Gilmour, but only if he makes a re-appearance with some new music, or a new tour or something! :-)
Gilmour/Wright is the Pink Floyd sound to me and most likely any other fan of the classic Floyd lineup. I realize Waters is a the chief songwriter and visionary and a highly talented individual. You may be right, No Syd/Roger, no Floyd but I probably wouldn't care if there was a Floyd without Gilmour and Wright. When I think of Floyd I think Gilmour's guitar and voice, then all those great textures and melodies from Wright.
Winner!!
Honestly though I couldn't compare Gilmour to Waters...I love them both for completely different reasons. I think that they both have had amazing solo careers. If you're into grand and epic theme records, Waters is your guy. He's amazing at concept records...I think Radio K.A.O.S. is pure genius. Gilmour has also written some beautiful songs and is an incredibly talented guitar player. In terms of Floyd records, I love them all for what they are. I've seen both of them live and have to say they that both of their shows are up there in my top 5 of all time. They're both brilliant - and they know it. Too much ego in one band was just recipe for disaster, but when they were on, they were fucking on!
I have to admit though that the solo records I listen to most from any Floyd member are Barrett's.