So is Grand Rapids becoming the new "State College?"
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Fortunately PJ didn't come to Indy this year, because I would have never thought of going to Grand Rapids.
But comparing Chicago 1 and 2, GR, and Cleveland - GR blows them all out.....not even close.
With the combination of looking at Ed's premade setlist and all the changes they made, the 5-song sitdown, the only 3+ hour show of the tour so far, is this show reaching legendary status.
I was with a bunch of 10 Club members and one guy said that it beats out Toronto 2, another said it's better than Buffalo 03. One guy said State College was slightly better just because of all the songs.
Honestly though, if they don't imitate that night again in North America, could this one grow to legendary status??? Include the whole night, 2 preset songs, The Band's Cover with MMJ too.
Legendary for me is:
Pinkpop 92
Soldier Field 95
Berlin 96
MSG 98
Seattle 2 00
Buffalo 03
State College 03
MSG 2 03
Boston 3 03
Gorge 05
Could Grand Rapids be on that list someday???? Or is it just another "YOU HAD TO BE THERE?"
But comparing Chicago 1 and 2, GR, and Cleveland - GR blows them all out.....not even close.
With the combination of looking at Ed's premade setlist and all the changes they made, the 5-song sitdown, the only 3+ hour show of the tour so far, is this show reaching legendary status.
I was with a bunch of 10 Club members and one guy said that it beats out Toronto 2, another said it's better than Buffalo 03. One guy said State College was slightly better just because of all the songs.
Honestly though, if they don't imitate that night again in North America, could this one grow to legendary status??? Include the whole night, 2 preset songs, The Band's Cover with MMJ too.
Legendary for me is:
Pinkpop 92
Soldier Field 95
Berlin 96
MSG 98
Seattle 2 00
Buffalo 03
State College 03
MSG 2 03
Boston 3 03
Gorge 05
Could Grand Rapids be on that list someday???? Or is it just another "YOU HAD TO BE THERE?"
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at the very least randall's island 2 should be considered then there's buffalo and hartford and more
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london 2 maybe? the one when they played smile for the first time..
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
If you count Buffalo 03 and Gorge 05 you need to do some serious alterations.
Also, I think we should see how the tour pans out. Europe is gonna get a monster, as will Australia, plus they havent even touched the coasts yet.
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Not sure the longest 1992 show, but I'd say the Amsterdam show with the Mamasan trilogy is up there. Pinkpop is great too, but shorter.
Can't f-ing wait to hear Grand Rapids 2006!
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Grand Rapids '04
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As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that puts this show on the map is that first encore. The rest of it, while definitely a varied and somewhat unique set, pretty much compares with what we've gotten on this tour up to this point. Encore 1 puts this show above those preceding it... but I'll bet it won't be above one or two that are yet to come.
i have this same feeling.
i was at Chicago II and the atmosphere was great. i don't think they would've played Crown Of Thorns otherwise. plus, even Ed said they only play Crown Of Thorns for special occasions...so i'd take Chicago II over any show so far...but again...that's just me.
You forgot Atlanta 94 and Soldier Field 95, those are majoy classic concert... Geesh! where is Red Rocks??? You need to revise your list.
EDIT : I just noticed you did mention Soldier Field ...
I havent heard Grand Rapids yet, but im looking forward to
I think it was an awesome show, I agree with the pre-set not being a big deal (as far as making the show legendary) I had a pre-set at most the shows I attended on 2003.
The setlist was phenomenal but like others I agree that there will be better shows than this one, I honestly dont think that this show will go down in PJ history as legendary.
Was it epic? To those who were there, I would say yes. To those who weren't, I'm sure you've had experiences at shows that would rival the GR experience. But if you were there you know you witnessed something special.
Could the set list have been better? Certainly we all have our own ideas of what songs we would have rather heard over others.
The most important thing about the GR show was how the crowd influenced the performance. Not that it is a big secret with Pearl Jam, but it should be a lessen to all attendees in the future.
My favorite moment of the show? Mike and Boom's jam session at the end of Crazy Mary.......it was unreal.
Insane. It converted me from Pearl Jam is pretty good live (the Lollapalooza's I saw) to Man, they are incredible.
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I do agree that it has only just begun though.
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No way . They played so well in GR. Crowd was fantastic. It was an experience.
I wasnt at either show, but judging from the setlists, I would choose Chicago 2. They had some mad energy too.
Unplugged
Pink Pop
That acoustic show in '92 in Europe (where they had there equipment stolen)
Boston '94 (Orpheum and honestly, shouldn't we mention that Chicago Stadium show they did in '94 as well? That was pretty sick)
Atlanta '94
Soldier Field '95
Randall's Island '96
MSG 2 '98
Katowice '00
Seattle '00 (Night 2 . . . Although, I kinda think this show is overrated. Not much rare, but first 3 disc set, so I guess it counts).
Buffalo, Penn State, MSG 1 and Boston 3 in '03
The Gorge and Philly in '05
These are shows that people still talk about. I don't know if Grand Rapids will get the same mentions as these. We still have 3 more legs of this before we can judge.
A setlist doesn't necessarily make a great concert. That being said, it's hard to say that Chicago 2's encore was better than Grand Rapids. Personally, I was at both, and clearly, Grand Rapids was a better concert, and not just because of the setlist, but also the ambiance.
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Agreed! I thought Albany's setlist was pretty strong too against GR with Satans Bed & Rats.
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First of all, for those saying that the pre-set was "no big deal", heres why it's special...Ed did 'Dead Man', then started putting on the headset harmonica, most likely to play 'you've got to hide your love away'. The guy in front of me shouts out, "Happy Birthday Pete!", then Ed pauses, puts up his index finger, takes of the harmonica, and immediately goes into "can't explain". It was a special moment.
Second, The MMJ jam was the first one, so it was extra exciting...
Third...the main set was great, jam packed, including Red Mosquito, Sad, Why Go...
Fourth, the first encore was great..."we're just going to experiment with you..." the experimental acoustic set was awesome! Ed stumming the chords to 'Around the bend', then setting down the guitar, then asking, "should we do it??" Awesome. Oh yeah, 'HARD TO FUCKING IMAGINE'. Doesn't happen everyday!
Fifth: Other Rarities - Crazy Mary, Leatherman, Baba....
SIXTH: Ok, if you're still reading, this is my biggest reason GR rocked...and I am totally biased here...MY FRIEND AND I MADE SATAN'S BED HAPPEN! Yes, we held the signs in the 4th row, and Ed told the band the set change on the fly...it was amazing, I will never forget it. They absolutely nailed it as well...
So, that is why GRAND RAPIDS FUCKING ROCKED!!!
(better than both Chicago shows!)
SERIOUSLY, IF U WOULD'VE SEEN MIKE FREAK OUT DURING HIS EVEN FLOW SOLO...I HAVE NOT SEEN HIM ACT LIKE THAT BEFORE...AND ED FREAKED TO DURING ROCKIN' IN THE FREE WORLD. IF U SAW VIDEO OF THEM U WOULD UNDERSTAND.
lol mike was all over the place.
Ed was swinging like a damn monkey .
jeff spinning in circles.
best show ever...they were like 22 again.
Funny thin about the show is it was so hard rocking and epic yet it felt intimate at the same time. It was very personal.