The Vetting of Obama.. The Job MSM Refuses to do

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THE VETTING - EXCLUSIVE - OBAMA'S LITERARY AGENT IN 1991 BOOKLET: 'BORN IN KENYA AND RAISED IN INDONESIA AND HAWAII

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... sia-Hawaii

Note from Senior Management:
Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.
Yet Andrew also believed that the complicit mainstream media had refused to examine President Obama's ideological past, or the carefully crafted persona he and his advisers had constructed for him.
It is for that reason that we launched "The Vetting," an ongoing series in which we explore the ideological background of President Obama (and other presidential candidates)--not to re-litigate 2008, but because ideas and actions have consequences.
It is also in that spirit that we discovered, and now present, the booklet described below--one that includes a marketing pitch for a forthcoming book by a then-young, otherwise unknown former president of the Harvard Law Review.
It is evidence--not of the President's foreign origin, but that Barack Obama's public persona has perhaps been presented differently at different times.
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Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."
The booklet, which was distributed to "business colleagues" in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.
It also promotes Obama's anticipated first book, Journeys in Black and White--which Obama abandoned, later publishing Dreams from My Father instead.
Obama’s biography in the booklet is as follows (image and text below):

Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.
The booklet, which is thirty-six pages long, is printed in blue ink (and, on the cover, silver/grey ink), using offset lithography. It purports to celebrate the fifteenth anniversary of Acton & Dystel, which was founded in 1976.



Front cover (inside)
Jay Acton no longer represents Obama. However, Jane Dystel still lists Obama as a client on her agency's website.
According to the booklet itself, the text was edited by Miriam Goderich, who has since become Dystel's partner at Dystel & Goderich, an agency founded in 1994. Breitbart News attempted to reach Goderich by telephone several times over several days. Her calls are screened by an automated service that requires callers to state their name and company, which we did. She never answered.
The design of the booklet was undertaken by Richard Bellsey, who has since closed his business. Bellsey, reached by telephone, could not recall the exact details of the booklet, but told Breitbart News that it "sounds like one of our jobs, like I did for [Acton & Dystel] twenty years ago or more."

The parade of authors alongside Obama in the booklet includes politicians, such as former Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill; sports legends, such as Joe Montana and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; and numerous Hollywood celebrities.
The reverse side of the page that features Barack Obama includes former Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader and early-1990s "boy band" pop sensation New Kids On the Block.


Acton, who spoke to Breitbart News by telephone, confirmed precise details of the booklet and said that it cost the agency tens of thousands of dollars to produce.
He indicated that while "almost nobody" wrote his or her own biography, the non-athletes in the booklet, whom "the agents deal[t] with on a daily basis," were "probably" approached to approve the text as presented.
Dystel did not respond to numerous requests for comment, via email and telephone. Her assistant told Breitbart News that Dystel "does not answer questions about Obama."
The errant Obama biography in the Acton & Dystel booklet does not contradict the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. Moreover, several contemporaneous accounts of Obama’s background describe Obama as having been born in Hawaii.
The biography does, however, fit a pattern in which Obama--or the people representing and supporting him--manipulate his public persona.
David Maraniss's forthcoming biography of Obama has reportedly confirmed, for example, that a girlfriend Obama described in Dreams from My Father was, in fact, an amalgam of several separate individuals.
In addition, Obama and his handlers have a history of redefining his identity when expedient. In March 2008, for example, he famously declared: "I can no more disown [Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother."
Several weeks later, Obama left Wright's church--and, according to Edward Klein's new biography, The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House, allegedly attempted to persuade Wright not to "do any more public speaking until after the November [2008] election" (51).
Obama has been known frequently to fictionalize aspects of his own life. During his 2008 campaign, for instance, Obama claimed that his dying mother had fought with insurance companies over coverage for her cancer treatments.
That turned out to be untrue, but Obama has repeated the story--which even the Washington Post called "misleading"--in a campaign video for the 2012 election.
The Acton & Dystel biography could also reflect how Obama was seen by his associates, or transitions in his own identity. He is said, for instance, to have cultivated an "international" identity until well into his adulthood, according to Maraniss.
Regardless of the reason for Obama's odd biography, the Acton & Dystel booklet raises new questions as part of ongoing efforts to understand Barack Obama--who, despite four years in office remains a mystery to many Americans, thanks to the mainstream media.
Larry O'Connor contributed to this report.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
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    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
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    So thats your comment ? Strawman ? :roll:
    How so.. I guess you could care less that even though he is president there are still a lot of things we don't know about him. But i guess it doesnt really matter to you bcos you will vote for him no matter what. Thats pretty damn sad if you ask me.. So who cares if he lied to get in to College, or that he has SS # from Conneticut when in fact he never lived there/ The Man is big Fraud.. As long as He keeps "fundementally Changing America " Thats all you care about obviously.

    I swear you should change your name to gimmienotruth86. it would be more fitting given how you choose to ignore the truth.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    what a minute....O-bama wasn't born here....?

    why is this the first I'm hearing of this...?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,190
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    So thats your comment ? Strawman ? :roll:
    How so.. I guess you could care less that even though he is president there are still a lot of things we don't know about him. But i guess it doesnt really matter to you bcos you will vote for him no matter what. Thats pretty damn sad if you ask me.. So who cares if he lied to get in to College, or that he has SS # from Conneticut when in fact he never lived there/ The Man is big Fraud.. As long as He keeps "fundementally Changing America " Thats all you care about obviously.

    I swear you should change your name to gimmienotruth86. it would be more fitting given how you choose to ignore the truth.
    given that a SS card is a FEDERAL document it shouldnt matter WHERE you apply as long as the required proof , i.e BIRTH CERTIFCATE is presented and proof of residency(?). Its like a state drivers license. I can go into ANY BMV office statewide to do business pertaining to my license or vehicle tags/registration, not just my county of residency. Same would apply with SS card.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    inmytree wrote:
    what a minute....O-bama wasn't born here....?

    why is this the first I'm hearing of this...?


    lol... But apparently the mainstream media isn't talking about this.

    And I love how Breitbart's site throws it out there... "We don't believe this, but here you go... run with it..."
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
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    So thats your comment ? Strawman ? :roll:
    How so.. I guess you could care less that even though he is president there are still a lot of things we don't know about him. But i guess it doesnt really matter to you bcos you will vote for him no matter what. Thats pretty damn sad if you ask me.. So who cares if he lied to get in to College, or that he has SS # from Conneticut when in fact he never lived there/ The Man is big Fraud.. As long as He keeps "fundementally Changing America " Thats all you care about obviously.

    I swear you should change your name to gimmienotruth86. it would be more fitting given how you choose to ignore the truth.
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    so i am suppsed to take as gospel a report from a website with an obvious axe to grind?

    :lolno:

    really? you do not see this as grasping at straws? honestly, you can not attack the man's policies so here we go with the same birtherism from 2008. it makes breitbart's followers look like idiots. give me nearly 4 years and i guarantee i can trot out at least one person who had a close association with romney that would assassinate his character as well.

    and no, i COULDN"T care less. this issue has been beaten to death and if it is true why does the "birther queen" keep getting her lawsuits tossed out and laughed out of court? i will vote for obama because i trust him to make better decisions on supreme court nominees than any republican. it is already too far to the right and has become an activist court. we as a people deserve better than the predicatble 5-4 party line vote in every major case. fuck, clarence thomas and scalia do not even recuse themselves when to rule on certain cases is a clear conflict of interest.

    and i do not get the implication of the name gimmienotruth86, because this article clearly is giving me no truth.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    inmytree wrote:
    what a minute....O-bama wasn't born here....?

    why is this the first I'm hearing of this...?


    lol... But apparently the mainstream media isn't talking about this.

    And I love how Breitbart's site throws it out there... "We don't believe this, but here you go... run with it..."
    they are just stirring the pot. same as pulling a pin on a grenade, tossing it in a tent, and casually walking away whistling...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    inmytree wrote:
    what a minute....O-bama wasn't born here....?

    why is this the first I'm hearing of this...?


    lol... But apparently the mainstream media isn't talking about this.

    And I love how Breitbart's site throws it out there... "We don't believe this, but here you go... run with it..."
    they are just stirring the pot. same as pulling a pin on a grenade, tossing it in a tent, and casually walking away whistling...

    Reminds me of Glenn Beck, "just asking questions..."
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Reminds me of Glenn Beck, "just asking questions..."
    exactly.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235

    it is already too far to the right and has become an activist court. we as a people deserve better than the predicatble 5-4 party line vote in every major case. fuck, clarence thomas and scalia do not even recuse themselves when to rule on certain cases is a clear conflict of interest.

    Ya fuck those justices that write legislation and then don't recuse themselves (Kagan) and how dare these pompous asses decide the course of the country based on the Constitution the utter gall.

    And how is a 5-4 party line vote not as much of an indictment of the 4 justices in the minority or is there some sort of racial/ethnic slight involved with SCOTUS decision making that I don't understand?
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    wouldn't surprise at all but at this point I just don't care...he's almost gone anyway and we can just laugh about how he pulled off the biggest scam in American history.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    bigdvs wrote:

    it is already too far to the right and has become an activist court. we as a people deserve better than the predicatble 5-4 party line vote in every major case. fuck, clarence thomas and scalia do not even recuse themselves when to rule on certain cases is a clear conflict of interest.

    Ya fuck those justices that write legislation and then don't recuse themselves (Kagan) and how dare these pompous asses decide the course of the country based on the Constitution the utter gall.

    And how is a 5-4 party line vote not as much of an indictment of the 4 justices in the minority or is there some sort of racial/ethnic slight involved with SCOTUS decision making that I don't understand?
    so awarding george w bush the presidency and citizen's united decisions are based on the constitution?

    :shock:

    how so? what part?

    there are activists on both sides, but they need to have enough integrity to recuse themselves when they have a clear conflict of interest.

    what is is that thomas' wife was involved in that was a clear conflict of interest and thomas not only did not recuse himself, but he voted in favor of his wife's side? let's talk about that.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    wouldn't surprise at all but at this point I just don't care...he's almost gone anyway and we can just laugh about how he pulled off the biggest scam in American history.

    Godfather.
    who is gonna beat him?

    romney?

    :fp:

    for better or worse, this thing is obama's to lose.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    back on topic...

    don't you people think that if his citizenship was such a concern that there would be a senate or congressional investigation into it? if they had proof the republican controlled house would certainly have attempted an investigation. if the anti obama gop is not going after it, then there must be no proof.

    this is just something that the right wing blogosphere can not let go..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    wouldn't surprise at all but at this point I just don't care...he's almost gone anyway and we can just laugh about how he pulled off the biggest scam in American history.

    Godfather.
    who is gonna beat him?

    romney?

    :fp:

    for better or worse, this thing is obama's to lose.


    yep Romney...I'm thinking anyway.

    Godfather.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Godfather. wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    wouldn't surprise at all but at this point I just don't care...he's almost gone anyway and we can just laugh about how he pulled off the biggest scam in American history.

    Godfather.
    who is gonna beat him?

    romney?

    :fp:

    for better or worse, this thing is obama's to lose.

    In your dreams, if Tiny Tim was running for President you would yes he would best the President.

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    yep Romney...I'm thinking anyway.

    Godfather.
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  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235

    so awarding george w bush the presidency and citizen's united decisions are based on the constitution?

    :shock:

    how so? what part?

    there are activists on both sides, but they need to have enough integrity to recuse themselves when they have a clear conflict of interest.

    what is is that thomas' wife was involved in that was a clear conflict of interest and thomas not only did not recuse himself, but he voted in favor of his wife's side? let's talk about that.

    Bush v Gore - Bush had the votes at the time they were deliberating for the state of FL and that is how we elect someone in this country seems to be pretty much in line with the constitution. Just because you don't like the result doesnt mean it was wrong.

    Citzen's United- If the decision is so wrong headed then both parties should agree to an amendment and restrict corporate influence in American politcs at all levels. No part of the Constitution allows the Federal government to restrict free speech just because you don't like the source of the funding of that speech.

    Both seem to have conservative readings of the Constitution as there basis for decision. Seems fairly non-activist.

    Justice Thomas - so the Justice who's spouse lobbied against ObamaCare should have recused but the Solictior General who wrote the law and prepared the defense didn't have to???

    But back on topic...

    This "born in Kenyan" thing is not really about BIRTHERISM any longer and is more of an Elizabeth Warren lie to make myself seem more exotic issue. Obama has lived a lie his entire life and even he no longer knows what the truth is, who is father was, where he was born, what he thinks. Its all just lies and he believes his lies are a means to his justified ends. I think they are just lies and make him a wholy unacceptable presidential figure.
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    quote from g under p ;In your dreams, if Tiny Tim was running for President you would yes he would best the President.

    Peace

    no not my dreams, just calling it like I see it....but you vote for ever you want and I'll tip toe through the tulips when Romney wins.

    fyi : in an earlier post I said I don't think Romney has the back bone for the job either so it's a gamble but given the choices we have and the guy doing/not doing the job now I don't see any other option.

    Godfather.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    bigdvs wrote:

    This "born in Kenyan" thing is not really about BIRTHERISM any longer and is more of an Elizabeth Warren lie to make myself seem more exotic issue. Obama has lived a lie his entire life and even he no longer knows what the truth is, who is father was, where he was born, what he thinks. Its all just lies and he believes his lies are a means to his justified ends. I think they are just lies and make him a wholy unacceptable presidential figure.

    How the f*@k do you know?
    The absolute ego that goes into making a statement like this.
    Unreal.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    oh SNAP!!!

    i guess arizona has stopped questioning obama's birth certificate....

    and assuming he wins his party's nomination and submits the proper paperwork he will be on the ballot in arizona...

    :cry::cry:


    now can we PUH LEASE put this ridiculousness to rest???

    Obama birth certificate OK by Arizona official


    http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ri ... 3E&ps=1018

    PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona's secretary of state said Wednesday that Hawaii's official verification of President Barack Obama's birth records meets necessary requirements, meaning the president's name will appear on Arizona's ballot in the fall.

    The inquiry launched recently by Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett gave official weight to a long-simmering political controversy generated by those who say that Obama was not born in the U.S. and therefore is ineligible to hold the nation's highest office.

    The Obama administration attempted a year ago to dismiss the conflict by releasing his long-form birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii.

    But skeptics maintained their stance and eventually Bennett announced he would seek further verification at the request of numerous voters who contacted his office, even saying he was prepared to leave Obama's name off the state's ballot in November.

    Bennett said in a written statement that Hawaii officials "have complied with the request, and I consider the matter closed."

    Bennett's office says Obama's name will appear on Arizona's November ballot as long as he wins his party's nomination and all paperwork is properly completed.

    Hawaii State Registrar Alvin Onaka sent the document Tuesday confirming the information on Obama's birth certificate, such as the Honolulu hospital where he was born and the names and ages of his parents.

    Hawaii officials have repeatedly verified Obama's citizenship as skeptics have maintained that the president was born in Kenya, his father's home country.

    State and federal courts also have rejected lawsuits over the issue.

    The verification process was the subject of three months of back and forth, with Hawaii officials saying Bennett had to show why he needed the information as part of ordinary business.

    Other Arizona officials over the last year have raised questions about Obama's birth certificate.

    Last year, the state Legislature passed a bill that would have required presidential candidates to prove their citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot.

    The proposal was vetoed by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, who called the measure "a bridge too far."

    Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who calls himself America's toughest sheriff, had a volunteer posse launch an investigation into the issue, ultimately saying in March there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery.

    Earlier this spring, Bennett's office made a change that requires candidates to complete a new form asking eligibility questions, including whether they are natural-born U.S. citizens.

    In the past, political parties drafted their own certification documents that Arizona officials say didn't consistently address the issue of qualifications.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,213
    oh SNAP!!!

    i guess arizona has stopped questioning obama's birth certificate....

    and assuming he wins his party's nomination and submits the proper paperwork he will be on the ballot in arizona...

    :cry::cry:


    now can we PUH LEASE put this ridiculousness to rest???

    Obama birth certificate OK by Arizona official


    http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ri ... 3E&ps=1018

    PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona's secretary of state said Wednesday that Hawaii's official verification of President Barack Obama's birth records meets necessary requirements, meaning the president's name will appear on Arizona's ballot in the fall.

    The inquiry launched recently by Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett gave official weight to a long-simmering political controversy generated by those who say that Obama was not born in the U.S. and therefore is ineligible to hold the nation's highest office.

    The Obama administration attempted a year ago to dismiss the conflict by releasing his long-form birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii.

    But skeptics maintained their stance and eventually Bennett announced he would seek further verification at the request of numerous voters who contacted his office, even saying he was prepared to leave Obama's name off the state's ballot in November.

    Bennett said in a written statement that Hawaii officials "have complied with the request, and I consider the matter closed."

    Bennett's office says Obama's name will appear on Arizona's November ballot as long as he wins his party's nomination and all paperwork is properly completed.

    Hawaii State Registrar Alvin Onaka sent the document Tuesday confirming the information on Obama's birth certificate, such as the Honolulu hospital where he was born and the names and ages of his parents.

    Hawaii officials have repeatedly verified Obama's citizenship as skeptics have maintained that the president was born in Kenya, his father's home country.

    State and federal courts also have rejected lawsuits over the issue.

    The verification process was the subject of three months of back and forth, with Hawaii officials saying Bennett had to show why he needed the information as part of ordinary business.

    Other Arizona officials over the last year have raised questions about Obama's birth certificate.

    Last year, the state Legislature passed a bill that would have required presidential candidates to prove their citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot.

    The proposal was vetoed by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, who called the measure "a bridge too far."

    Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who calls himself America's toughest sheriff, had a volunteer posse launch an investigation into the issue, ultimately saying in March there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery.

    Earlier this spring, Bennett's office made a change that requires candidates to complete a new form asking eligibility questions, including whether they are natural-born U.S. citizens.

    In the past, political parties drafted their own certification documents that Arizona officials say didn't consistently address the issue of qualifications.






    It only took these clowns 4yrs to come to this conclusion except for a few in here :fp:
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    whygohome wrote:
    bigdvs wrote:

    This "born in Kenyan" thing is not really about BIRTHERISM any longer and is more of an Elizabeth Warren lie to make myself seem more exotic issue. Obama has lived a lie his entire life and even he no longer knows what the truth is, who is father was, where he was born, what he thinks. Its all just lies and he believes his lies are a means to his justified ends. I think they are just lies and make him a wholy unacceptable presidential figure.

    How the f*@k do you know?
    The absolute ego that goes into making a statement like this.
    Unreal.

    You gotta give me a little more then that so I can actually respond, unless the personal attack was the point.
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,827
    It's really strange how people can be so firmly entrenched on a side that they can't acknowledge why something like this raises questions. For me, those questions are about our system and process more than casting Obama in any sort of negative light.

    If you're dismissing this, is it because you believe that document and story are false? If so, based on what? Do you think the literary agency was making that up for some sort of gain? Why? There are only two qualifications necessary to run for President. If there's a chance that this wasn't validated, shouldn't we be discussing what the hell is going on and how that may have happened?
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    back on topic...

    don't you people think that if his citizenship was such a concern that there would be a senate or congressional investigation into it? if they had proof the republican controlled house would certainly have attempted an investigation. if the anti obama gop is not going after it, then there must be no proof.

    this is just something that the right wing blogosphere can not let go..

    I agree, also I could care less ..worst case we are stuick with him for 4 more years but I doubt it.

    Godfather.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    bigdvs wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    bigdvs wrote:

    This "born in Kenyan" thing is not really about BIRTHERISM any longer and is more of an Elizabeth Warren lie to make myself seem more exotic issue. Obama has lived a lie his entire life and even he no longer knows what the truth is, who is father was, where he was born, what he thinks. Its all just lies and he believes his lies are a means to his justified ends. I think they are just lies and make him a wholy unacceptable presidential figure.

    How the f*@k do you know?
    The absolute ego that goes into making a statement like this.
    Unreal.

    You gotta give me a little more then that so I can actually respond, unless the personal attack was the point.

    Something more to go on?

    How about this: Bigdvs is living a lie He doesn't even know who his father is or where he was born.



    Pretty easy to say about someone. No need to have any proof. I said it, os it is true.
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    Smellyman wrote:
    bigdvs wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    How the f*@k do you know?
    The absolute ego that goes into making a statement like this.
    Unreal.

    You gotta give me a little more then that so I can actually respond, unless the personal attack was the point.

    Something more to go on?

    How about this: Bigdvs is living a lie He doesn't even know who his father is or where he was born.



    Pretty easy to say about someone. No need to have any proof. I said it, os it is true.

    Done replying to attacks.
    d2t
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    bigdvs wrote:
    Done replying to attacks.
    d2t
    just out of curiosity, do you have anything to back up the accusations you are throwing around?

    people throw out wild nonsense all the time on here and then get upset when they get called on it.

    you make the claim, at least please provide evidence or a basis for your beliefs.

    i just want to know if you have information and proof, and if so please post it so that we can read it and possibly learn something.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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