Who is really...

QuarterToTen

at fault here?

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/local_n ... en_7496719

The driver?
The minor?
The seller of the drugs?

mikepegg44

QuarterToTen wrote:

at fault here?

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/local_n ... en_7496719

The driver?
The minor?
The seller of the drugs?

The driver and the minor. The seller of the drugs is as much responsible for this death as the girlfriend who broke up with him that night.

StillHere

hard to say
the driver or the kid?
IMO not the guy who sold him the shrooms
BECAUSE the kid was 16 years old, old enough to know that if he takes certain types of drugs he is going to get way high
apparently no one forced him to take them
And I don't get why they say he would not have walked home at 5 AM if he was not under the influence?
Later they say that he and his girl had just broken up at the party
So why wouldn't he leave and start walking no matter what time of day or night it was?
I really can't form an opinion about the driver because we don't know so much
we know he was not drinking or doing any drugs
but we do not know if he was driving too tired
and we do not know how and why he hit the kid
was the kid weaving into the road while walking
or did the driver veer off the road while driving?
too many unknowns
One thing I think is obvious is that the driver knew that it was not a deer that he hit as he first reported
It seems he would not be so concerned about the police going back to search the scene again days later if he really thought it had been an animal
He obviously knew more

Last-12-Exit

That's sounds to me like the guy that got killed was at fault. The driver reported it, And was sober. It's the prosecutors speculation that he dozed off.

cincybearcat

If someone sells a minor alcohol (something that is legal) they are held accountable.

So, someone selling a minor ILLEGAL drugs that alter his behavior which contributes to his death is certainly liable as well.

Obviously, the kid bought the drugs, took the drugs, and decided to walk home in a dangerous situation so his death is ultimately on him. Unless of course you could actually PROVE the actions of the driver.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

StillHere wrote:

hard to say
the driver or the kid?
IMO not the guy who sold him the shrooms
BECAUSE the kid was 16 years old, old enough to know that if he takes certain types of drugs he is going to get way high
apparently no one forced him to take them
And I don't get why they say he would not have walked home at 5 AM if he was not under the influence?
Later they say that he and his girl had just broken up at the party
So why wouldn't he leave and start walking no matter what time of day or night it was?
I really can't form an opinion about the driver because we don't know so much
we know he was not drinking or doing any drugs
but we do not know if he was driving too tired
and we do not know how and why he hit the kid
was the kid weaving into the road while walking
or did the driver veer off the road while driving?
too many unknowns
One thing I think is obvious is that the driver knew that it was not a deer that he hit as he first reported
It seems he would not be so concerned about the police going back to search the scene again days later if he really thought it had been an animal
He obviously knew more

The 16 year old was old enough to know better?? When it came to taking mushrooms???

THE 16 YEAR OLD WAS OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER??????

You have got to be fucking kidding me.....

catefrances

cincybearcat wrote:

If someone sells a minor alcohol (something that is legal) they are held accountable....

selling alcohol to a minor is legal??? wheres that happening?

MayDay10

I think if they can prove that this man sold the particular drugs that this kid consumed that night, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

Driver if he did anything wrong.

Kid obviously is responsible too because he is dead. No worse penalty than that. Its sad, but you cant take hallucinogens and then wander onto a highway. Paid a bad price. His friends should have done a better job watching him. Sad story.

cincybearcat

catefrances wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

If someone sells a minor alcohol (something that is legal) they are held accountable....

selling alcohol to a minor is legal??? wheres that happening?

No, alcohol is legal.

StillHere

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

StillHere wrote:

hard to say
the driver or the kid?
IMO not the guy who sold him the shrooms
BECAUSE the kid was 16 years old, old enough to know that if he takes certain types of drugs he is going to get way high
apparently no one forced him to take them
And I don't get why they say he would not have walked home at 5 AM if he was not under the influence?
Later they say that he and his girl had just broken up at the party
So why wouldn't he leave and start walking no matter what time of day or night it was?
I really can't form an opinion about the driver because we don't know so much
we know he was not drinking or doing any drugs
but we do not know if he was driving too tired
and we do not know how and why he hit the kid
was the kid weaving into the road while walking
or did the driver veer off the road while driving?
too many unknowns
One thing I think is obvious is that the driver knew that it was not a deer that he hit as he first reported
It seems he would not be so concerned about the police going back to search the scene again days later if he really thought it had been an animal
He obviously knew more

The 16 year old was old enough to know better?? When it came to taking mushrooms???

THE 16 YEAR OLD WAS OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER??????

You have got to be fucking kidding me.....

I am not fkn kidding.
When I was 16 years old I sure knew what was going to happen
When my kids were 16 years old they sure knew what was going to happen
I'm not saying they are adults
But They ARE old enough to realize what is going to happen
For sure
Weren't you Speedy?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

StillHere wrote:

I am not fkn kidding.
When I was 16 years old I sure knew what was going to happen
When my kids were 16 years old they sure knew what was going to happen
I'm not saying they are adults
But They ARE old enough to realize what is going to happen
For sure
Weren't you Speedy?

The 16 year old, should be held accountable, because he knew what was going to happen, when he swallowed those mushrooms?

Sorry, but that could be the BIGGEST HORSESHIT statement I have ever read here.....

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I know 40 year olds on this board who arent old enough to KNOW BETTER...When it comes to..

Holding a job..
Not dealing drugs...
Understanding the meaning of the words DRUG TEST....
I know 40 year olds who use other peoples URINE when it comes to passing a drug test....

These are 40 year olds WHO DONT KNOW BETTER.....

But the 16 year old should have known better when he took those mushrooms????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

hedonist

StillHere wrote:

I am not fkn kidding.
When I was 16 years old I sure knew what was going to happen
When my kids were 16 years old they sure knew what was going to happen
I'm not saying they are adults
But They ARE old enough to realize what is going to happen
For sure
Weren't you Speedy?

Agreed. And at that age, bad judgment comes into play too. At 16, who doesn't know that doing certain things - taking certain things - could bring trouble in a big way.

Still, I made those choices and was held accountable for my poor decisions.

(and Speedy, of course there are idiots at 40...just like there are dipshits who are 30, 60, etc...seems irrelevant)

StillHere

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I know 40 year olds on this board who arent old enough to KNOW BETTER...When it comes to..

Holding a job..
Not dealing drugs...
Understanding the meaning of the words DRUG TEST....
I know 40 year olds who use other peoples URINE when it comes to passing a drug test....

These are 40 year olds WHO DONT KNOW BETTER.....

But the 16 year old should have known better when he took those mushrooms????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

in my opinion and in my experience yes
obviously in yours no
that's OK

Cliffy6745

Oh shit. This really almost happened to me one time. Almost got rocked by a police car when I was tripping in college. Actually haven't done halluciogens since.

mikepegg44

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I know 40 year olds on this board who arent old enough to KNOW BETTER...When it comes to..

Holding a job..
Not dealing drugs...
Understanding the meaning of the words DRUG TEST....
I know 40 year olds who use other peoples URINE when it comes to passing a drug test....

These are 40 year olds WHO DONT KNOW BETTER.....

But the 16 year old should have known better when he took those mushrooms????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

I am not sure what you are getting at, do you or don't you think that the 16 year old should have known better?

Um, it is ok to say a 16 year old should know better...that isn't necessarily an indictment of the 16 year old, but a 16 year old should know better, if they don't something is wrong, either with them, the education system, or the parents...

hedonist

OK, I'm guessing that Speedy is being sarcastic or playing devil's advocate here, given that his posts - the ones I've read, anyway - tie into accountability and living responsibly.

Hope I'm right

mickeyrat

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I know 40 year olds on this board who arent old enough to KNOW BETTER...When it comes to..

Holding a job..
Not dealing drugs...
Understanding the meaning of the words DRUG TEST....
I know 40 year olds who use other peoples URINE when it comes to passing a drug test....

These are 40 year olds WHO DONT KNOW BETTER.....

But the 16 year old should have known better when he took those mushrooms????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Oh cmon now, they know better, just choose the poorer of the decisions.

I do disagree about a 16 yr old knowing better. Maybe they do, but my point would be I NEVER cared to do research about a drug befroe saying" wheres mine , are you going to share, pass that fucking doob, you going to finish that, etc"

None of that was like ," whats in this generic capsule exactly?, what will this do to my brain, what could pontentially happpen here if I do this, etc."

Drowned Out

This is why harm reduction has to be part of drug education curriculum. Teachers, law enforcement, governments think that it’s condoning use to teach it, but it saves lives. End of.

You should really never be alone on dangerous hard drugs, or less dangerous but seriously mind-altering drugs. That’s how people die….you OD alone, you’re fucked. You wander away from a party and onto a highway alone, you’re fucked. If this kid was inexperienced with mushrooms and wanted to leave the party while tripping, someone should have helped him get home. He may still be alive if he and his friends were taught the importance of the ‘buddy system’ when it comes to drug experimentation.

There’s a chance he had learned this elsewhere and ignored it, and no guarantee he’d have listened if taught it in school….but there is no harm in giving young people these tools.

Reminds me of a story out of Van a while back, where the police were aware of a bad batch of ecstasy that was killing people, but wouldn’t release any information about it because it would appear they were condoning use. LE and govt preach public safety and preventing drug deaths, but refuse to engage in the simplest, most obvious ways of achieving those goals. Ridiculous.

javis el errante

QuarterToTen wrote:

at fault here?

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/local_n ... en_7496719

The driver?
The minor?
The seller of the drugs?

the three are correct... mulltiple choice questions have 4 options... you forgot the last one...

StillHere

mickeyrat wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I know 40 year olds on this board who arent old enough to KNOW BETTER...When it comes to..

Holding a job..
Not dealing drugs...
Understanding the meaning of the words DRUG TEST....
I know 40 year olds who use other peoples URINE when it comes to passing a drug test....

These are 40 year olds WHO DONT KNOW BETTER.....

But the 16 year old should have known better when he took those mushrooms????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Oh cmon now, they know better, just choose the poorer of the decisions.

I do disagree about a 16 yr old knowing better. Maybe they do, but my point would be I NEVER cared to do research about a drug befroe saying" wheres mine , are you going to share, pass that fucking doob, you going to finish that, etc"

None of that was like ," whats in this generic capsule exactly?, what will this do to my brain, what could pontentially happpen here if I do this, etc."

of course not
kids (nor adults) rarely bother to find out what it is that they are taking
but its pretty much guaranteed that he knew that if he took some shrooms he was going on a trip

all i'm saying is that the kids i knew when i was a kid
and the kids that were my kids' friends when they were kids
and all the kids i know now that are that age
are very savvy when it comes to this kind of stuff
whether or not they use is irrelevant
i think that 16 is old enough to know what you are getting into...or at the very least that you are getting into something that is going to change the way that you think and act and react and that will alter your sense of reality

just for the record
i also disagree with the laws that make the bar tender responsible for the lush's overindulgences
we can't be responsible for other folk's screwups all the time
there comes a time when folks have to be responsible for their own actions

IMHO all this putting the blame on someone else all the time just allows for the screwups to continue being screwups
while the responsible pay for the screwups' screwups

isn't that how we got to what we are today
(as a society)

you gotta man up
woman up
whether you are 16 or 60

if you are 16 you can drive in many states
you can be emancipated from your parents
you can drop out of school if you choose
you can legally hold down a full time job
you can become a parent
in some states (fl, ga and md come to mind) you can be married
you can legally engage in sexual activity (nj, md, etc.)
you can take your GED
you can enter college/university
you can join the military (US Army early induction?? in some instances, otherwise 17 yo right? i may be mistaken)
you can have an abortion without anyone else knowing about it
you can have control of your own bank account
you can operate a moped
you can pilot light aircraft
you can obtain your own passport
in some instances (uk?) you may legally drink beer or wine in a restaurant with a meal

so i guess some people somewhere have decided that age 16 is old enough to be responsible for your own self?

not trying to be a smarta$$
just sayin
if you are responsible enough to make those decisions
then?