Bring back Sammy!! (VH)

Tom K

There is a commercial playing for the VH album and tour.. DLR with a big goofy grin, waving some kind of flag or something.. It reminds me of a parody commercial from SNL (especially since DLR has an uncanny resemblance to Chris Kattan)..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigvKtaC_3o

I would still go to the show if I could get cheap tickets..

PKTrekGirl

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Not making this a DLR vs. Sammy thing (Though I guess that's exactly what the thread is). Both eras have GREAT music. And DLR definitely helped build the brand. But, ultimately, it's about Eddie and his guitar,

Word.

tybird

locked wrote:

Saw them in 1980 at the cape cod collesium ..
Remains the worst concert I ever witnessed.. Because of DAVE.

VH fans wil appreciate this..
On "ain't talkin bout love" he wouldn't even sing "I've been to the edge.." part..
Band had to just keep playing while he giggled to himself in the microphone ..

My older brother got me into Hagar independent of the VH STINT.
He and his friends saw HAGAR back up BOSTON (in Boston!) and everyone agreed HAGAR blew them off the stage.

If you never heard Sammy solo, buy his first live CD "all night long" and play "bad motor scooter" "reckless" "young girl blues" and "turn up the music"..

You will understand why..

Change 1980 to 1982...and change Cape Cod Coliseum to Birmingham-Jefferson Civic Center Coliseum, then our stories agree......a drunken karaoke singer would have been more entertaining than a drunken DLR that long ago night.....saw Sammy out-play ZZ Top a year later as their opener.....better voice, better songs is what you get with Sammy

Monster Rain

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I was tempted to go to this, but what you guys are saying is exactly why I didn't. I saw them with Sammy, and they were great. Sammy even knows how to give Eddie his space to work. DLR strikes me as someone that would come off as a clown AND not know the show is about Eddie and not him.

Sounds like Eddie may begin to recall why they got rid of him in the first place.....

Not making this a DLR vs. Sammy thing (Though I guess that's exactly what the thread is). Both eras have GREAT music. And DLR definitely helped build the brand. But, ultimately, it's about Eddie and his guitar, and while at times Sammy's writing didn't necessarily lend directly to album stuff for Eddie - he knew how to draw folks in and allow Eddie space to breath in a live setting which is really where he's at his best anyway.

Kind of funny that the profile works the opposite (Eddie wasn't happy where Sammy's albums were headed and thought Sammy thought it was about him when in fact Sammy was the best thing that ever happened to him). Eh, I guess it's the old story of not knowing what's good for ya.......

I'm not sure what Ed didn't like about Sammy's writing. Ed was still the one writing the music, so the style of music he played would have a lot to do with the type of lyrics Hagar would write. Did he think that "Feelin'" or "Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do" should have been less serious? Then don't write serious-sounding music. Did he think "Amsterdam" was too goofy? If so, then why get back with Dave when his voice is so bad that he's really only capable of doing goofy (especially without Mike's backing vocals to pick him up)? I think Eddie and Alex just gradually became more and more insane as time went by. I read the part of Sammy's book where he describes how they got back together to record new songs for the "Best of Both Worlds" set. Yikes!

red mos

I'm scared to go and try to get a ticket night of, because of this thread. :? cheapest tix are 100 bucks for obstuctive view. I'm hoping to get a cheap one in the parking lot. Not sure what I am going to do. :? Love the DLR era VH on cd. Only Sammy one I have with VH is 5150. I do like Sammy's solo stuff though alot.

locked

tybird wrote:

locked wrote:

Saw them in 1980 at the cape cod collesium ..
Remains the worst concert I ever witnessed.. Because of DAVE.

VH fans wil appreciate this..
On "ain't talkin bout love" he wouldn't even sing "I've been to the edge.." part..
Band had to just keep playing while he giggled to himself in the microphone ..

My older brother got me into Hagar independent of the VH STINT.
He and his friends saw HAGAR back up BOSTON (in Boston!) and everyone agreed HAGAR blew them off the stage.

If you never heard Sammy solo, buy his first live CD "all night long" and play "bad motor scooter" "reckless" "young girl blues" and "turn up the music"..

You will understand why..

Change 1980 to 1982...and change Cape Cod Coliseum to Birmingham-Jefferson Civic Center Coliseum, then our stories agree......a drunken karaoke singer would have been more entertaining than a drunken DLR that long ago night.....saw Sammy out-play ZZ Top a year later as their opener.....better voice, better songs is what you get with Sammy

cool brother!
:corn:

EdsonNascimento

Monster Rain wrote:

I'm not sure what Ed didn't like about Sammy's writing. Ed was still the one writing the music, so the style of music he played would have a lot to do with the type of lyrics Hagar would write. Did he think that "Feelin'" or "Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do" should have been less serious? Then don't write serious-sounding music. Did he think "Amsterdam" was too goofy? If so, then why get back with Dave when his voice is so bad that he's really only capable of doing goofy (especially without Mike's backing vocals to pick him up)? I think Eddie and Alex just gradually became more and more insane as time went by. I read the part of Sammy's book where he describes how they got back together to record new songs for the "Best of Both Worlds" set. Yikes!

True. And you're probably more on target. It was more Sammy having enough than anything else and now they NEED someone that will put up with them, and Daves the best they can do.

In the end , I guess it's better the family stuck together than The Kinks where the brothers ended up hating each other.

Yefa

I've been a Van Halen fan since 1983 but have never seen them live. It's too bad if DLR isn't doing the songs the right way on the current tour, but I still vastly prefer the Van Halen era to the Van Hagar era. In fact I own all 6 Van Halen albums and zero Van Hagar albums.

EdsonNascimento

BTW, we all know this is not happening. Even though Chickenfoot is playing theaters and VH is playing arenas (for now), it sounds like Sammy doesn't need the money and he found a plenty great guitarist to play with and not have the aggravation. I'm sure Eddie thought he'd come crawling back, and when the realization that he had in fact moved on to a better place, he settled for Dave. I mean look at the false restart with Dave and you realize the latest effort is not only the settling, but that it won't last very long (unless he's desperate, which might be the case). I mean half the "new" album is in fact a glorified Lost Dogs. Which is fine. But, it also seems to indicate they didn't have a lot off creative ideas in the pipe line when they threw this back together.

It has recipe for disaster written all over it, and some of these reviews only go to confirm that.

None of this has anything to do with the argument of which era is better (which is a silly and futile argument if you ask me. They were both great). It just goes to some fans desire to see this band as an entertaining going concern. This train will lose steam real fast if this becomes the prevailing wisdom of this tour. Nobody's paying $100 to seer Dave with a back up all time guitarist. At that point Eddie would just be better off going back to theaters and doing a co headlining tour with Jeff Beck or Joe Bonamassa.

tybird

EdsonNascimento wrote:

BTW, we all know this is not happening. Even though Chickenfoot is playing theaters and VH is playing arenas (for now), it sounds like Sammy doesn't need the money and he found a plenty great guitarist to play with and not have the aggravation. I'm sure Eddie thought he'd come crawling back, and when the realization that he had in fact moved on to a better place, he settled for Dave. I mean look at the false restart with Dave and you realize the latest effort is not only the settling, but that it won't last very long (unless he's desperate, which might be the case). I mean half the "new" album is in fact a glorified Lost Dogs. Which is fine. But, it also seems to indicate they didn't have a lot off creative ideas in the pipe line when they threw this back together.

It has recipe for disaster written all over it, and some of these reviews only go to confirm that.

None of this has anything to do with the argument of which era is better (which is a silly and futile argument if you ask me. They were both great). It just goes to some fans desire to see this band as an entertaining going concern. This train will lose steam real fast if this becomes the prevailing wisdom of this tour. Nobody's paying $100 to seer Dave with a back up all time guitarist. At that point Eddie would just be better off going back to theaters and doing a co headlining tour with Jeff Beck or Joe Bonamassa.

I think you are pretty close to target with your arguments....one of the problems in the Sammy/Eddie relationship is that Sammy did NOT need Eddie to be successful....whereas despite some early solo success, DLR floundered past a certain point without the brothers. This may also be the root of the Michael Anthony exile from Van Halen, once he was in with Sammy....he didn't need Eddie....so they, the brothers Van Halen, gave him the boot.

tybird

Van Halen abruptly postpone more than 30 dates on tour

By Steve Knopper, Rolling Stone

Van Halen have abruptly postponed all tour dates after their June 26 show in New Orleans with no explanation.

The band yanked more than 30 long-planned dates, including shows in Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Salt Lake City and El Paso. Local promoters United Concerts and AEG issued statements regarding some postponed shows to local media, including the Salt Lake Tribune and Las Cruces Sun-News, but no details have been offered yet about rescheduled dates or refunds.
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Most of the tour is promoted by Live Nation, whose reps wouldn't comment.

News of the postponed tour dates surprised several arena reps, who are featuring upcoming Van Halen shows prominently on their websites. "You want to know the absolute [expletivve] truth? I have no [expletive] idea," a concert-business source with knowledge of the tour tells Rolling Stone.

"It's selling pretty good -- I don't know why they would say it's being canceled," says a source at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Conn., where the band was supposed to perform on July 7.


Several of the non-canceled dates have nearly sold out, including this Saturday's show in Minneapolis and June 20 in Dallas. "We're selling really well," says Jack Larson, vice president and general manager of the Xcel Energy Center. "We're looking forward to it."

After decades of touring with Sammy Hagar (and, for a brief period in the late 1990s, Gary Cherone), Van Halen reunited with David Lee Roth for a 2007 tour and hit the road again with him in February. The band released its first new album with Roth, "A Different Kind of Truth," earlier that month. It sold 187,000 copies in its debut week and hit Number Two.

http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_new ... -tour?lite

g under p

tybird wrote:

Van Halen abruptly postpone more than 30 dates on tour

By Steve Knopper, Rolling Stone

Van Halen have abruptly postponed all tour dates after their June 26 show in New Orleans with no explanation.

The band yanked more than 30 long-planned dates, including shows in Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Salt Lake City and El Paso. Local promoters United Concerts and AEG issued statements regarding some postponed shows to local media, including the Salt Lake Tribune and Las Cruces Sun-News, but no details have been offered yet about rescheduled dates or refunds.
Advertise | AdChoices

Most of the tour is promoted by Live Nation, whose reps wouldn't comment.

News of the postponed tour dates surprised several arena reps, who are featuring upcoming Van Halen shows prominently on their websites. "You want to know the absolute [expletivve] truth? I have no [expletive] idea," a concert-business source with knowledge of the tour tells Rolling Stone.

"It's selling pretty good -- I don't know why they would say it's being canceled," says a source at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Conn., where the band was supposed to perform on July 7.


Several of the non-canceled dates have nearly sold out, including this Saturday's show in Minneapolis and June 20 in Dallas. "We're selling really well," says Jack Larson, vice president and general manager of the Xcel Energy Center. "We're looking forward to it."

After decades of touring with Sammy Hagar (and, for a brief period in the late 1990s, Gary Cherone), Van Halen reunited with David Lee Roth for a 2007 tour and hit the road again with him in February. The band released its first new album with Roth, "A Different Kind of Truth," earlier that month. It sold 187,000 copies in its debut week and hit Number Two.

http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_new ... -tour?lite

You know some new dirt is coming down the road to tell a different kind of truth for sure.

Peace

tybird

The RS article linked to Twitter says, "A source with knowledge of the tour tells Rolling Stone that Van Halen members "hate each other"." Adds the source, "The band is arguing like mad. They are fighting."

g under p

tybird wrote:

The RS article linked to Twitter says, "A source with knowledge of the tour tells Rolling Stone that Van Halen members "hate each other"." Adds the source, "The band is arguing like mad. They are fighting."

However this happens in lots of bands but to the point where you dissappoint fans like that and trying to make a comeback. That's so dissappointing and irresponsible of them finish the tour then be gone with your merry ways. I'm glad I passed and I do like the band in the past and both Sammy and DLR.

Peace

Monster Rain

The cancellation of shows is one of the least-shocking stories of the year. What's odd about it is that they're still going to tour for over a month before they cancel/postponse shows and they gave no reason (although Roth did post a video basically saying that they were tired and booked too many shows--but if that's really the case why wouldn't the band say that from the start?). If it's just about not getting along, then they're asses for letting down the fans who paid to see them and fools for passing up the money.

EdsonNascimento

Monster Rain wrote:

The cancellation of shows is one of the least-shocking stories of the year. What's odd about it is that they're still going to tour for over a month before they cancel/postponse shows and they gave no reason (although Roth did post a video basically saying that they were tired and booked too many shows--but if that's really the case why wouldn't the band say that from the start?). If it's just about not getting along, then they're asses for letting down the fans who paid to see them and fools for passing up the money.

Yeah. They're tired, but will take the cash for the next month and then be REALLY tired....

This does have to be the least shocking development in entertainment in a while.

I can see Eddie back stage with Alex - WTF, man. You didn't tell me he was going to be singing into Britney Spears' mic!

red mos

Saw the Houston show last Night. I thought it was pretty good for the expectations I had going in. It took DLR a few songs to get warmed up vocally, but he got alot better as the show went on. Eddie's guitar playing was amazing. Eddie did not interact on stage much with Dave. He would go up the stairs to the drum riser and play with Alex, or off to the side of Roth, or go over and play with Wolf. DLR did give Eddie a hug an the end of the night, and the band bowed together though.

Yefa

I heard on the radio that the cancelled shows were due to soft ticket sales for those shows. I don't know if it's true or not...just posting what I heard. This was on Q104.3 out of NYC.