Hollande ousts Sarkozy as French President
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I'm sure this will instigate more panic and scaremongering from the world's right wing parties.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/hollande-ou ... 1y7iv.html
Hollande ousts Sarkozy as French President
Karen Kissane, in Paris
Socialist Hollande wins French election
Francois Hollande's win over Nicolas Sarkozy signals a swing to the left for France and ends 17 years of conservative leadership.
In what may prove a game-changer for the Eurozone crisis, France has elected Francois Hollande as its first socialist president in 17 years.
Mr Hollande promised to put young people and social justice at the centre of all his decisions for the next five years and warned that Germany would be the first nation to be told that Europe must put growth, employment and prosperity before austerity.
"Europe is looking at us," he said. "At the moment the result was proclaimed, I am sure for many countries there was some relief and some hope, the idea that at long last, austerity is not our only fate."
He said the French dream was that each generation would do better than the last. He also promised that no "child of the republic" would be abandoned or left behind or discriminated against, probably a reference to the divisive rhetoric of the anti-immigration French right.
"There are not two Frances that are facing each other," he said. "There is only one France, only one nation.
"Everyone within the French republic will be treated equally, in rights and in duties as well … The first duty of the president of the republic is to bring people together."
An exit poll by Ipsos suggested Mr Hollande had won by 52 per cent to 48 per cent. He will have to assume the mantle of world leader quickly, with meetings soon scheduled of the G8 (May 18) and NATO, as well as a meeting at Camp David and a European summit.
His ascension will cause unease among other Eurozone leaders, particularly German chancellor Angela Merkel, as he has criticised the hard line of the German-led fiscal pact hammered out to save the euro.
Mr Sarkozy worked in harness with Mrs Merkel's economic plans but Mr Hollande has insisted he will swing France and Europe away from austerity and into policies that promote growth. Europe is suffering from recession and record unemployment.
One of his MPs told reporters earlier in the day that Mr Hollande would phone Mrs Merkel after the result and quickly organise a trip to Berlin.
Within half an hour of polls closing at 8pm local time, former president Nicolas Sarkozy had conceded defeat, saying he had given the campaign his all and asking his supporters to be dignified in the face of loss.
"I bear all the responsibility for this failure," he told thousands of cheering supporters shouting "Nicolas!".
Mr Sarkozy said: "In the case of failure, the man at the top is responsible for that failure."
In a private meeting with senior leaders of his conservative UMP party, Mr Sarkozy warned that it must stay unified in order to win parliamentary elections in June. He said he would not lead the party into those elections.
He told his supporters at a public rally, "Francois Hollande is president of France and must be supported" - at which point they booed.
"I suffer from the fact that the institution that I represent was not always well-respected," he said. "Let's not give a bad example. We love France."
He said he had wished Mr Hollande good luck in a telephone call. He thanked voters for his five years in office and said: "Never, never, never will I forget this honour in the life of a man … I gave the job all my energy from the first to the last second."
Mr Sarkozy had said during the campaign that he would leave public life forever if he failed to be re-elected. He is only the second sitting president in 30 years to fail to win a second term.
Thousands had gathered in the iconic Place de Bastille to celebrate the change, many popping champagne corks and some shouting "Sarko en prison!" ("Lock up Sarko!")
This was probably a reference to the investigations into party funding and corruption Mr Sarkozy is due to face, which include allegations that he received millions of euro from former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Mr Hollande, who called himself "Mr Normal", and whose slogan was "Change: It's now", will be sworn in as president on May 14 or 15.
He has promised to provide 60,000 more teachers and to cut the retirement age from 62 to 60 for people who have worked for 41 years, but he also says he will balance the French budget by 2017. France has a high deficit and high levels of debt but French people across the political spectrum support a strong welfare state.
I'm sure this will instigate more panic and scaremongering from the world's right wing parties.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/hollande-ou ... 1y7iv.html
Hollande ousts Sarkozy as French President
Karen Kissane, in Paris
Socialist Hollande wins French election
Francois Hollande's win over Nicolas Sarkozy signals a swing to the left for France and ends 17 years of conservative leadership.
In what may prove a game-changer for the Eurozone crisis, France has elected Francois Hollande as its first socialist president in 17 years.
Mr Hollande promised to put young people and social justice at the centre of all his decisions for the next five years and warned that Germany would be the first nation to be told that Europe must put growth, employment and prosperity before austerity.
"Europe is looking at us," he said. "At the moment the result was proclaimed, I am sure for many countries there was some relief and some hope, the idea that at long last, austerity is not our only fate."
He said the French dream was that each generation would do better than the last. He also promised that no "child of the republic" would be abandoned or left behind or discriminated against, probably a reference to the divisive rhetoric of the anti-immigration French right.
"There are not two Frances that are facing each other," he said. "There is only one France, only one nation.
"Everyone within the French republic will be treated equally, in rights and in duties as well … The first duty of the president of the republic is to bring people together."
An exit poll by Ipsos suggested Mr Hollande had won by 52 per cent to 48 per cent. He will have to assume the mantle of world leader quickly, with meetings soon scheduled of the G8 (May 18) and NATO, as well as a meeting at Camp David and a European summit.
His ascension will cause unease among other Eurozone leaders, particularly German chancellor Angela Merkel, as he has criticised the hard line of the German-led fiscal pact hammered out to save the euro.
Mr Sarkozy worked in harness with Mrs Merkel's economic plans but Mr Hollande has insisted he will swing France and Europe away from austerity and into policies that promote growth. Europe is suffering from recession and record unemployment.
One of his MPs told reporters earlier in the day that Mr Hollande would phone Mrs Merkel after the result and quickly organise a trip to Berlin.
Within half an hour of polls closing at 8pm local time, former president Nicolas Sarkozy had conceded defeat, saying he had given the campaign his all and asking his supporters to be dignified in the face of loss.
"I bear all the responsibility for this failure," he told thousands of cheering supporters shouting "Nicolas!".
Mr Sarkozy said: "In the case of failure, the man at the top is responsible for that failure."
In a private meeting with senior leaders of his conservative UMP party, Mr Sarkozy warned that it must stay unified in order to win parliamentary elections in June. He said he would not lead the party into those elections.
He told his supporters at a public rally, "Francois Hollande is president of France and must be supported" - at which point they booed.
"I suffer from the fact that the institution that I represent was not always well-respected," he said. "Let's not give a bad example. We love France."
He said he had wished Mr Hollande good luck in a telephone call. He thanked voters for his five years in office and said: "Never, never, never will I forget this honour in the life of a man … I gave the job all my energy from the first to the last second."
Mr Sarkozy had said during the campaign that he would leave public life forever if he failed to be re-elected. He is only the second sitting president in 30 years to fail to win a second term.
Thousands had gathered in the iconic Place de Bastille to celebrate the change, many popping champagne corks and some shouting "Sarko en prison!" ("Lock up Sarko!")
This was probably a reference to the investigations into party funding and corruption Mr Sarkozy is due to face, which include allegations that he received millions of euro from former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Mr Hollande, who called himself "Mr Normal", and whose slogan was "Change: It's now", will be sworn in as president on May 14 or 15.
He has promised to provide 60,000 more teachers and to cut the retirement age from 62 to 60 for people who have worked for 41 years, but he also says he will balance the French budget by 2017. France has a high deficit and high levels of debt but French people across the political spectrum support a strong welfare state.
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So, basically, it won't fundamentally change anything. The reason why he was elected was essentially because French voters wanted Sarkozy out (what he did during his term and, above all, his " show off nature", contributed to that).
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thanks for this ... i was wondering if he really was a socialist or are they planting the seeds to label him one so when he fails (and he will no doubt fail based simply on the task at hand) - they will say it's socialism failing ... anyways - he's raising taxes i hear so we shall see ...
There are, nevertheless social aspects in their policy.
Concerning the taxes, I think he will raise them (at least for those who earn more than 1 or two million a year).
If he fails (ans, I agree with you, he will), his opponers will say it's becaus he's a socialist.
A part of Sakozy's campaign was based on this: "Don't vote for him, he's a socialist!!! If he's elected, France will join Greece!!! I'm the only one who saved our country and, if you vote for me, I'll be the only one who maintain this situation!!!"
What Sarkozy didn't say was:
1. He didn't save us, we're in respite.
2. Wether it's him or Hollande, we're going straight into the wall.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ZaRoFF/95885951739?created#!/profile.php?id=100001560978213
i've not read that ... i heard he was primarily going to eliminate many tax breaks for the wealthy and big corporations ... that would apparently be $20 billion right there ...
"Above 1m euros [£847,000; $1.3m], the tax rate should be 75% because it's not possible to have that level of income."
http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... z1uCAY9wTP
That isn't even the ultra-rich. Looks like France will lose a few citizens.
He did say that but I don't think he'll do it. He wouldn't want the ultra-rich to leave France. Maybe 60%.
And Yes, I think his priority is the elimination of those tax breaks (applied by Sarkozy's Government, because, many of his friends are ultra rich).
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everyone need to be told whos the big Daddy in Europe...
on the other hand..Greeks votred too last night..
the usally 2 big parties that had the goverments the last 40 years both took always the 80-85% of the votes
last night both total was 19%+13% = 32%.....and ofcourse noone can do govement...
total chaos here..even a neo-nazi party type,took 7%...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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This gets around to how I feel about taxes. People always take about rates, that discussion is too fold, one it makes people think they are cared about, two it distracts the public at large from what really happens. It isn't the tax rates that are the problem...it is the tax breaks. There are far too many ways to get out of paying your taxes. So hopefully for France they will see that. A quick example of how the discussion becomes obfuscated, GE. People bitch when they pay no income taxes, but those same people are often quick to talk about the need for tax incentives for green energy. How do you think GE pays no taxes? that's right, through (not solely) green energy tax breaks.
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Shit don't work.
Money will sit on the sidelines until the soup kitchens run out. Then they will beg those who produce to get back to producing.
just see what happen to Romania today...what imf announce...
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Socialist or the right, these 'middle' parties are just that - they lost their edge. They may shift to the left or shift to the right but their policies are very much middle ground to appeal to more people. I guess it's a sign of the times as well. I find that the extreme left or right are just that - extreme and maybe out of touch with reality. Whilst I find it's great they stick to their ideology (sort of), it's just not feasible in our global economy.
I am happy though that the socialists are back 'up there' and I do hope that Hollande delivers on at least a few of his campaign promises. As Hub said, won't be anything fundamental. Whatever, it can only be an improvement from Sarkozy.
One needs to see who he 'surrounds' himself with and what comes out of the Legislatives.
Article 1 of the Constitution says: "La France est une république indivisible, laïque, démocratique et sociale" - let's hope it can go towards getting back to that.
Greece is so fucked up at the moment D.....
the thing is tho is that the general trend is moving towards the right ... so, what was once considered centre is now considered left ... if we continue down this road ... things like public education will be considered extreme leftist ideals ...
True. But I guess it's a question of education as well. Sometimes what are considered perfectly normal 'mild' socialist ideas in France are seen to be downright communism in the USA! It's perception. Like labelling Obama a socialist for some of his social policies.
But within a country, it's true. Here in the UK that Cameron wants to lead a fully conservative government to go back to 'true' conservative values. Where is now (even in coalition with the lib dems who are wimps in this government), his policies ARE conservative but, as you say, some (and him), may not consider this 'right' enough and some typical conservative policies may be considered to be tilting to the left.
http://news.yahoo.com/lightning-hits-french-presidents-plane-none-hurt-163923781.html
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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wow...scary
No kidding...
Now, with what recently happened in Germany (her party lost seats), she may be more inclined to make concessions.
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"I have no issue with paying taxes and whatever needs to be done for my country to grow. I believe very firmly that my ability to sit here — I'm a black man who didn't go to college, yet I get to travel around the world and sell my movies, and I believe very firmly that America is the only place on Earth that I could exist," Smith said. "So I will pay anything that I need to pay to keep my country growing."
That's when the interviewer mentioned that France could have a 75 percent tax rate on income over one million Euros.
"Seventy-five?" Smith gasped. "Yeah, that's different, that's different. Yeah, 75. Well, you know, God bless America."
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