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inlet13
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Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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a great video would be able to reach people of all beliefs and biases ... a great video wouldn't need to perpetuate myths and lies to make a point ...
this is a horrible video because it pushes that anti-environmental agenda using the same myths and lies you try to use in the global warming threads ...
frig ... even car companies admit to global warming ... shit ... the premier of Alberta (canada's texas), home of the oil lobby in canada, leader of the right wing conservative party, acknowledges global warming ...
awful awful awful
ugh
Having an opinion is having a bias. So, I suppose you pretend in your little fantasy world that your opinions are not bias, yet my opinions are? I suppose only certain opinions are entitled. ha ha.
The lunacy of what I just wrote above was one aspect of what that video pointed out, ironically. Hence, why it was good.
Although the video was admittedly simplistic, the reason I enjoyed it was because it shows the economic reality behind certain leftist movements. And it did so in a way an ordinary American can understand.
That is probably why you hate it. I disagree. Yet, I differ from you because I'll also say - you're entitled to your opinion.
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just know that when it comes to global warming - those are the people you are hanging around ...
It is a support of free-market ideology. Ron Paul supports free-markets, and less bureaucracy. That video goes along with that conceptual idea. Anyone who says otherwise is spreading "myths and lies".
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Pow :corn:
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/energy/
Energy
FREE MARKET SOLUTIONS
The free market – not government – is the solution to America’s energy needs.
Unfortunately, decades of misguided federal action have helped lead to skyrocketing fuel prices, making it even more difficult for hardworking families to make ends meet.
Washington’s bureaucratic regulations, corporate subsidies, and excessive taxation have distorted the market and resulted in government bureaucrats picking winners and losers.
In fact, much of the “pain at the pump” Americans are now feeling is due to federal policies designed by environmental alarmists to punish traditional energy production – like oil, coal, and natural gas – in hopes of making energy sources they favor more “economical.”
Sadly, even with $4.00 a gallon gasoline, many are attempting to make our energy crisis even worse by working to impose job-destroying carbon taxes, or a “Cap and Tax” system.
As long as we allow federal regulations and bureaucratic red tape to get in the way of energy exploration, our country will never solve its energy crisis, and Americans will continue to pay the price in high costs.
A PRO-ENERGY PRESIDENT
As President, Ron Paul will lead the fight to:
* Remove restrictions on drilling, so companies can tap into the vast amount of oil we have here at home.
* Repeal the federal tax on gasoline. Eliminating the federal gas tax would result in an 18 cents savings per gallon for American consumers.
* Lift government roadblocks to the use of coal and nuclear power.
* Eliminate the ineffective EPA. Polluters should answer directly to property owners in court for the damages they create – not to Washington.
* Make tax credits available for the purchase and production of alternative fuel technologies.
It’s time for a President that recognizes the free market’s power and innovative spirit by unleashing its full potential to produce affordable, environmentally sound, and reliable energy.
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critical thinking people ... don't fall for this shit ... think for yourself ...
You support(ed) Ron Paul, but you don't even know what he stands for... talk about critical thinking.
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"With our thoughts we make the world"
i supported ron paul because i believe corporatization of gov't is the biggest problem affecting america and he would be the best candidate to fight that ... including that of the MIC ... i also created a thread specifically on ron paul's position on energy ... which people like vinny responded to ...
so ... sorry - but i do know his position ... try again ...
edit: ok ... so, i didn't actually create a thread but it was part of the MT Consensus: Ron Paul thread ... which you would have read ...
isn't everything oversimplified into black and white these days? that is why i love watching the gop campaign. it is basically a bunch of simpletons trying to break down issues with a hundred shades of gray into black and white talking points, and blaming the president for stuff that their own people put into motion years ago..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Ron Paul's point of view on energy is pretty much in-line with what the underlying message of the folks who made that video (freemarketamerica). You know that, right?
My point is - you support a guy for President, who has a similar point of view as those who made that video. Yet, your super critical of a video that touts similar causes your choice for President also touts. From my perspective, that is "NOT" critical thinking on your part.... not at all.
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dude ... i explained to you why i chose ron paul ... are you not able to understand the reasoning!?? ... what part escapes you!?? ... i disagree with his energy policy, as stated a long time ago, why must i agree with his energy policy in order to support him for presidency? ...
that is in essence critical thinking ... i took all the information available to me - digested it and formed an opinion ... of which i will reiterate for you is that no presidential candidate is perfect and that the status quo would essentially continue except for one candidate ... i took his willingness to take on the MIC as the reason for why I would support him ... why can't you comprehend that?
I do comprehend that, actually. My point really has to do with your out-spoken disdain for this video based on it's thoughts on energy, when the man you support for President - holds very similar views. It's kinda... ummm.... ironic and seems ahhhh... slightly hypocritical.
But, you're entitled to support whomever you want and I am happy that you support Ron Paul - regardless of your thoughts on this video.
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if you think it's hypocritical then you really aren't comprehending ...
Once again - I comprehend that you are against a video's ideas on energy that holds the same conceptual ideas on energy as the candidate you support.
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show me the hypocrisy
In a simplified form - You are outwardly displaying disgust regarding polices you are, in fact, supporting ...albeit, in a indirect way.
Ironic is probably the better choice of words though because I do understand that platforms contain numerous issues. So, sometimes one may disagree here, and agree there and choose that candidate based on that. But, for you - in particular, I think hypocritical fits ever-so-slightly because you speak constantly about energy issues. In that sense - that issue, at least from what I read here, is your pinnacle issue. It's almost as if, none of the other issues are even close to as relevant to you (this is my opinion from what I've read here - so, who knows if that opinion is correct or not). So, when you come in here blasting the video for it's points on energy, I can't help but think it's slightly hypocritical that you're giving your support to a guy who fundamentally agrees with the energy concepts in the video. That is your number one issue after all.
I do know that you'll try to say that Ron Paul would get at the energy issue from another angle. I know that you believe that. But, I still think you're being hypocritical here because his energy platform is pretty much inline with the videos underlying tenants.
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she has said she disagrees with ron paul on energy but on the whole thinks he is the best candidate, whats hypocritical about that? play the ball and not the 'man'
so, i am a hypocrite because i support a candidate who does not share my belief on an issue even tho i explained my reason!?? ... :?
if there is a better candidate for the environment - i fail to see one ... if i remotely believed that for one second that any existing candidate could make a slight improvement on that issue - he would get my support ... but alas, they are all cut from the same cloth ... at least maybe ron paul can stop the senseless killing overseas? ...
I've already explained this.
But, to recap, here's the chain of events in a very simplified form:
a) Polaris, at least from what I've read, believes energy policy is #1 issue
b) Ron Paul supports energy policy X
c) Video supports energy policy X
d) Polaris supports Ron Paul
e) Polaris gets riled up about a video on energy policy X
f) inlet points out that Polaris supports Ron Paul who supports energy policy X
g) inlet explains that he wouldn't see this as hypocritical if Polaris wasn't so outspoken about energy policy X, making it seem as if that was Polaris' #1 issue
This portion basically says you don't think energy policy is really relevant and other matters are more important. Fair enough - I agree and so does the video. Another reason why you're upsetment on the video's take on energy policy makes little sense here. Not only do you support a candidate with the same take, but you say energy policy doesn't really matter. So, why get upset?
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I already covered this in what you quoted, but let me reiterate...
Under normal circumstances, for individuals who value a multitude of subjects, it wouldn't be even remotely hypocritical. From my personal perspective, this particular individual values energy aspects incredibly high (abnormally high) - as seen by their incredibly frequent posts on the issue. Therefore, circumstances are not normal. Given what I've seen, that's their number 1 issue, and they are supporting a candidate with an opposing viewpoint on their number 1 issue. Fair enough, that's fine even under abnormal circumstances. But, the part where I deem it odd is when they freak out when anyone (article, video or person) has a similar point of view to the candidate they support. That part, right there, seems incredibly odd, if not borderline hypocritical, to say the least.
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Anyhow, carry on...
Truth is - I don't really "give a shit" about anyone's views, whether they can vote or not. As I said earlier, everyone's entitled to their opinions. I think I'm in the minority here with that sort of thought process - the response to this thread is evidence. All that said, when someone calls my viewpoints into question (which you would have seen if you read the thread from top to bottom) first, I often feel compelled to respond on the oddities of their own viewpoints.
But, your point is a good one.
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a) polaris has stated numerous times he does not agree with energy policy X
b) polaris also explains his choice for presidency despite the candidates energy policy ...
there is not even a hint of hypocrisy
and my position is that environmental issues are number 1 but everything works in conjunction ... nothing works in isolation ... and my point is simply that no candidate distinguishes themselves on this topic ... not that i don't care ... the fact you could come to that conclusion based on the words i wrote ... read it again ... i said that if there was one candidate that could move on that issue i would change my support ... how in earth do you read that i don't think it's a priority?
and for the record - despite the flowers in my avatar and my interest in feminist theory ... i am indeed a man ... not sure what would make satansbed think otherwise ...