If I wanted America to Fail...

inlet13

Great video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

polaris_x

oh geez ... i couldn't even get through it ... this is far from a great video ... the fact you would consider it great is a great indication of your bias on this front ...

a great video would be able to reach people of all beliefs and biases ... a great video wouldn't need to perpetuate myths and lies to make a point ...

this is a horrible video because it pushes that anti-environmental agenda using the same myths and lies you try to use in the global warming threads ...

frig ... even car companies admit to global warming ... shit ... the premier of Alberta (canada's texas), home of the oil lobby in canada, leader of the right wing conservative party, acknowledges global warming ...

awful awful awful

BinauralJam

Smellyman

:lolno:

ugh

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

oh geez ... i couldn't even get through it ... this is far from a great video ... the fact you would consider it great is a great indication of your bias on this front ...

Having an opinion is having a bias. So, I suppose you pretend in your little fantasy world that your opinions are not bias, yet my opinions are? I suppose only certain opinions are entitled. ha ha.

The lunacy of what I just wrote above was one aspect of what that video pointed out, ironically. Hence, why it was good.

Although the video was admittedly simplistic, the reason I enjoyed it was because it shows the economic reality behind certain leftist movements. And it did so in a way an ordinary American can understand.

That is probably why you hate it. I disagree. Yet, I differ from you because I'll also say - you're entitled to your opinion.

polaris_x

uhhh ... no ... the video is horrible because it uses myths and lies to perpetuate an agenda fueled by corporate interests ... i find it tragic that someone who is against the federal reserve, supports ron paul, etc ... fails to see through this corporate/greed fueled propaganda ...

just know that when it comes to global warming - those are the people you are hanging around ...

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

uhhh ... no ... the video is horrible because it uses myths and lies to perpetuate an agenda fueled by corporate interests ... i find it tragic that someone who is against the federal reserve, supports ron paul, etc ... fails to see through this corporate/greed fueled propaganda ...

just know that when it comes to global warming - those are the people you are hanging around ...

It is a support of free-market ideology. Ron Paul supports free-markets, and less bureaucracy. That video goes along with that conceptual idea. Anyone who says otherwise is spreading "myths and lies".

maj4e

polaris_x wrote:

oh geez ... i couldn't even get through it ... this is far from a great video ... the fact you would consider it great is a great indication of your bias on this front ...

a great video would be able to reach people of all beliefs and biases ... a great video wouldn't need to perpetuate myths and lies to make a point ...

this is a horrible video because it pushes that anti-environmental agenda using the same myths and lies you try to use in the global warming threads ...

frig ... even car companies admit to global warming ... shit ... the premier of Alberta (canada's texas), home of the oil lobby in canada, leader of the right wing conservative party, acknowledges global warming ...

awful awful awful

Pow :corn:

inlet13

From the man himself:

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/energy/

Energy

FREE MARKET SOLUTIONS

The free market – not government – is the solution to America’s energy needs.

Unfortunately, decades of misguided federal action have helped lead to skyrocketing fuel prices, making it even more difficult for hardworking families to make ends meet.

Washington’s bureaucratic regulations, corporate subsidies, and excessive taxation have distorted the market and resulted in government bureaucrats picking winners and losers.

In fact, much of the “pain at the pump” Americans are now feeling is due to federal policies designed by environmental alarmists to punish traditional energy production – like oil, coal, and natural gas – in hopes of making energy sources they favor more “economical.”

Sadly, even with $4.00 a gallon gasoline, many are attempting to make our energy crisis even worse by working to impose job-destroying carbon taxes, or a “Cap and Tax” system.

As long as we allow federal regulations and bureaucratic red tape to get in the way of energy exploration, our country will never solve its energy crisis, and Americans will continue to pay the price in high costs.
A PRO-ENERGY PRESIDENT

As President, Ron Paul will lead the fight to:

* Remove restrictions on drilling, so companies can tap into the vast amount of oil we have here at home.

* Repeal the federal tax on gasoline. Eliminating the federal gas tax would result in an 18 cents savings per gallon for American consumers.

* Lift government roadblocks to the use of coal and nuclear power.

* Eliminate the ineffective EPA. Polluters should answer directly to property owners in court for the damages they create – not to Washington.

* Make tax credits available for the purchase and production of alternative fuel technologies.

It’s time for a President that recognizes the free market’s power and innovative spirit by unleashing its full potential to produce affordable, environmentally sound, and reliable energy.

polaris_x

inlet13 wrote:

It is a support of free-market ideology. Ron Paul supports free-markets, and less bureaucracy. That video goes along with that conceptual idea. Anyone who says otherwise is spreading "myths and lies".

... you can make a video supporting free markets without lying and perpetuating myths ...

critical thinking people ... don't fall for this shit ... think for yourself ...

MotoDC

polaris_x wrote:

... Alberta (canada's texas)...

I can't watch the video at work, but this part was worth the read in itself. I'm not sure who would be more offended -- Texas or Alberta. Thanks for the yucks.

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

It is a support of free-market ideology. Ron Paul supports free-markets, and less bureaucracy. That video goes along with that conceptual idea. Anyone who says otherwise is spreading "myths and lies".

... you can make a video supporting free markets without lying and perpetuating myths ...

critical thinking people ... don't fall for this shit ... think for yourself ...

You support(ed) Ron Paul, but you don't even know what he stands for... talk about critical thinking.

markin ball

inlet13 wrote:

Great video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

Yikes...what an oversimplified, overdramatic, crock. It was like watching one of the arguments of a junior high debate team via the schools av club.

polaris_x

inlet13 wrote:

You support(ed) Ron Paul, but you don't even know what he stands for... talk about critical thinking.

i supported ron paul because i believe corporatization of gov't is the biggest problem affecting america and he would be the best candidate to fight that ... including that of the MIC ... i also created a thread specifically on ron paul's position on energy ... which people like vinny responded to ...

so ... sorry - but i do know his position ... try again ...

edit: ok ... so, i didn't actually create a thread but it was part of the MT Consensus: Ron Paul thread ... which you would have read ...

gimmesometruth27

markin ball wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Great video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

Yikes...what an oversimplified, overdramatic, crock. It was like watching one of the arguments of a junior high debate team via the schools av club.

isn't everything oversimplified into black and white these days? that is why i love watching the gop campaign. it is basically a bunch of simpletons trying to break down issues with a hundred shades of gray into black and white talking points, and blaming the president for stuff that their own people put into motion years ago..

polaris_x

MotoDC wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

... Alberta (canada's texas)...

I can't watch the video at work, but this part was worth the read in itself. I'm not sure who would be more offended -- Texas or Alberta. Thanks for the yucks.

... i left it ambiguous in that it could just mean it is where the oil lobby resides ... ... if anyone implies anything else ... that is not my fault ...

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

You support(ed) Ron Paul, but you don't even know what he stands for... talk about critical thinking.

i supported ron paul because i believe corporatization of gov't is the biggest problem affecting america and he would be the best candidate to fight that ... including that of the MIC ... i also created a thread specifically on ron paul's position on energy ... which people like vinny responded to ...

so ... sorry - but i do know his position ... try again ...

Ron Paul's point of view on energy is pretty much in-line with what the underlying message of the folks who made that video (freemarketamerica). You know that, right?

My point is - you support a guy for President, who has a similar point of view as those who made that video. Yet, your super critical of a video that touts similar causes your choice for President also touts. From my perspective, that is "NOT" critical thinking on your part.... not at all.

polaris_x

inlet13 wrote:

Ron Paul's point of view on energy is pretty much in-line with what the underlying message of the folks who made that video (freemarketamerica). You know that, right?

My point is - you support a guy for President, who has a similar point of view as those who made that video. Yet, your super critical of a video that touts similar causes your choice for President also touts. From my perspective, that is "NOT" critical thinking on your part.... not at all.

dude ... i explained to you why i chose ron paul ... are you not able to understand the reasoning!?? ... what part escapes you!?? ... i disagree with his energy policy, as stated a long time ago, why must i agree with his energy policy in order to support him for presidency? ...

that is in essence critical thinking ... i took all the information available to me - digested it and formed an opinion ... of which i will reiterate for you is that no presidential candidate is perfect and that the status quo would essentially continue except for one candidate ... i took his willingness to take on the MIC as the reason for why I would support him ... why can't you comprehend that?

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Ron Paul's point of view on energy is pretty much in-line with what the underlying message of the folks who made that video (freemarketamerica). You know that, right?

My point is - you support a guy for President, who has a similar point of view as those who made that video. Yet, your super critical of a video that touts similar causes your choice for President also touts. From my perspective, that is "NOT" critical thinking on your part.... not at all.

dude ... i explained to you why i chose ron paul ... are you not able to understand the reasoning!?? ... what part escapes you!?? ... i disagree with his energy policy, as stated a long time ago, why must i agree with his energy policy in order to support him for presidency? ...

that is in essence critical thinking ... i took all the information available to me - digested it and formed an opinion ... of which i will reiterate for you is that no presidential candidate is perfect and that the status quo would essentially continue except for one candidate ... i took his willingness to take on the MIC as the reason for why I would support him ... why can't you comprehend that?

I do comprehend that, actually. My point really has to do with your out-spoken disdain for this video based on it's thoughts on energy, when the man you support for President - holds very similar views. It's kinda... ummm.... ironic and seems ahhhh... slightly hypocritical.

But, you're entitled to support whomever you want and I am happy that you support Ron Paul - regardless of your thoughts on this video.

polaris_x

inlet13 wrote:

I do comprehend that, actually. My point really has to do with your out-spoken disdain for this video based on it's thoughts on energy, when the man you support for President - holds very similar views. It's kinda... ummm.... ironic and seems ahhhh... slightly hypocritical.

But, you're entitled to support whomever you want and I am happy that you support Ron Paul - regardless of your thoughts on this video.

if you think it's hypocritical then you really aren't comprehending ...

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

I do comprehend that, actually. My point really has to do with your out-spoken disdain for this video based on it's thoughts on energy, when the man you support for President - holds very similar views. It's kinda... ummm.... ironic and seems ahhhh... slightly hypocritical.

But, you're entitled to support whomever you want and I am happy that you support Ron Paul - regardless of your thoughts on this video.

if you think it's hypocritical then you really aren't comprehending ...

Once again - I comprehend that you are against a video's ideas on energy that holds the same conceptual ideas on energy as the candidate you support.