Most Violent/Least Violent States (Reuters)

whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
edited April 2012 in A Moving Train
This is from Reuters, reposted by HuffPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/2 ... 47774.html

Your thoughts?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,160
    The ten worst states are all warm-weather states. Majority of the non-violent states are cold-weather states.

    Heat makes people more angry then cold. When it's cold, you stay in your house half of the year. When it's hot and humid and the A/C goes out ... and the neighbor kid is banging away on his drum kit ... well, that's when people get shot. :geek:
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Was this based on population per state? Got some very unpopulated
    states there in low crime.

    Was this then racially motivated too? the none violent states have the least people of
    color :? and how about the number of illegal immigrants also in those states?

    We know where much of the violence comes from... illegal drugs and related activities.
    We know the people who fill our prisons.
    We also know that crime is high in the big cities.

    Did this tell us anything we didn't know?
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    pandora wrote:
    Was this based on population per state? Got some very unpopulated
    states there in low crime.

    Was this then racially motivated too? the none violent states have the least people of
    color :? and how about the number of illegal immigrants also in those states?

    We know where much of the violence comes from... illegal drugs and related activities.
    We know the people who fill our prisons.
    We also know that crime is high in the big cities.

    Did this tell us anything we didn't know?

    Perhaps not, but it is laid out better for easier access. Instead of going through (I assume) the statistics and crunching numbers it is all laid out for us. I would have preferred that they used the FBI's uniformed crime report as a tool to come up with these conclusions.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Still being angry that the South lost the Civil War certainly doesn't help them achieve peace, that's for sure.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855

    Perhaps not, but it is laid out better for easier access. Instead of going through (I assume) the statistics and crunching numbers it is all laid out for us. I would have preferred that they used the FBI's uniformed crime report as a tool to come up with these conclusions.
    That to me sounds like it would be more accurate.

    I have to agree with Jason too about the weather...
    last summers record heat showed that with the swimming pool crimes etc up north.
  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    What about the role of poverty? By far, most of the violent states are also on the highest poverty lists as well.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Still being angry that the South lost the Civil War certainly doesn't help them achieve peace, that's for sure.


    how many people do you honestly think are mad the south lost the civil war? seriously?
    riotgrl wrote:
    What about the role of poverty? By far, most of the violent states are also on the highest poverty lists as well.

    this brings up a good point. It is never a good idea to start using crime rates alone as a measuring stick. There are so many more factors involved in crime that simply looking at the rate without dissecting anything else gives you little upon which to draw conclusions.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    this brings up a good point. It is never a good idea to start using crime rates alone as a measuring stick. There are so many more factors involved in crime that simply looking at the rate without dissecting anything else gives you little upon which to draw conclusions.

    Socio-economic factors are essential to 'understanding' crime. Also, whilst giving a glimpse, this list does give much info ref category of crimes. They are looking at 'violent' crime as they are talking about medical care but what is classed as violent? If this list focuses on this type of crime, it could be that one of the top 10 is higher in another type of crime than the lower 10...
  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    I believe this is the original data from which this article gathered its information. The main page ranks countries of the world on this peace index. The US is 82nd! If you click on the green arrow next to peace indicators on the left side you can see the 23 indicators that were used to compile this list. You can also click on the US Peace Index and it will give a more specific list of data used to rank the states. Very interesting yet very sad that we have so much violence in this country.

    Edit: I guess including the link would be helpful!
    http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/#/2011/scor
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • Lists like this are always easy to misrepresent and use for your own purpose.

    Things like poverty and social safety nets play huge roles, not just political leaning or even the weather.

    At least this hasn't descended into a race-baiting argument yet....
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    riotgrl wrote:

    thanks that is very interesting

    do we think dissension within the country is a major factor?
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    riotgrl wrote:
    What about the role of poverty? By far, most of the violent states are also on the highest poverty lists as well.

    This can't be overlooked.

    Perhaps not, but it is laid out better for easier access. Instead of going through (I assume) the statistics and crunching numbers it is all laid out for us. I would have preferred that they used the FBI's uniformed crime report as a tool to come up with these conclusions.

    A good point. Let's study the FBI statistics and compare. I would be interested to see the similarities/differences.
    riotgrl wrote:
    I believe this is the original data from which this article gathered its information. The main page ranks countries of the world on this peace index. The US is 82nd! If you click on the green arrow next to peace indicators on the left side you can see the 23 indicators that were used to compile this list. You can also click on the US Peace Index and it will give a more specific list of data used to rank the states. Very interesting yet very sad that we have so much violence in this country.

    Edit: I guess including the link would be helpful!
    http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/#/2011/scor

    Sad and terrifying. If we continue to show up at the bottom of many lists like this one--and like education, poverty rates, income inequality, etc--when do we stop chanting USA! USA! and start being adults and start looking at the most pressing domestic issues we face?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,498
    mikepegg44 wrote:


    how many people do you honestly think are mad the south lost the civil war? seriously?

    For one, the guy who leaned out of his car as he drove by and screamed at me, "The south will rise again once more!" I was just walking to work, minding my own business. I guess he must have mistaken me for Neil Young.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
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    brianlux wrote:

    For one, the guy who leaned out of his car as he drove by and screamed at me, "The south will rise again once more!" I was just walking to work, minding my own business. I guess he must have mistaken me for Neil Young.

    I am a new Yorker, and I went to school in the South. Some of my best friends are southerners; however, when I first moved to the South, I was met with, well, hatred. They hated me because of my Mets hat--better than a Yankees hat though. They called me Yankee (I always had to explain that I was a Mets fan); they talked about the Civil War (not the G 'n' R song); they told me that the Union lost more soldiers in the war than the rebels, as if they were proud of it; they hated me because of my accent; they hung Confederate flags in their dorm rooms; they said "The South will Rise Again" as if they had any clue what that meant; they harbored deep feelings and resentment for nay state above Virginia and its inhabitants; they were born roughly 110 years AFTER the Civil War ended, but still clung to old mythologies.

    So, in my experience, the Civil War still resonates in the South. There are deep, inbred feelings about "the North," and I feel that a large majority of these individuals don't know what the hell they are talking about. I'm playing the percentages here.
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    brianlux wrote:

    For one, the guy who leaned out of his car as he drove by and screamed at me, "The south will rise again once more!" I was just walking to work, minding my own business. I guess he must have mistaken me for Neil Young.

    My buddy moved to Atlanta because Delta forced his dad to move for work. He came back and told me about the Confederate flags flying and some of the calls for the south to rise again.

    How many? Can't say, don't really know for sure. It still happens though.
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