Democrats against Agenda 21

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SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE FICTION...OR SOME CONSPIRACY THEORY...BUT IT ISN'T.

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/


Have you wondered where these terms 'sustainability' and 'smart growth' and 'high density urban mixed use development' came from?  Doesn't it seem like about 10 years ago you'd never heard of them and now everything seems to include these concepts?  Is that just a coincidence?  That every town and county and state and nation in the world would be changing their land use/planning codes and government policies to align themselves with...what?

First, before I get going, I want to say that yes, I know it's a small world and it takes a village and we're all one planet etc.  I also know that we have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and that as cumbersome as that can be sometimes (Donald Rumsfeld said that the Chinese have it easy; they don't have to ask their people if they agree.  And Bush Junior said that it would be great to have a dictator as long as he was the dictator), we have a three branch government and the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and self-determination.  This is one of the reasons why people want to come to the US, right?  We don't have Tiananmen Square here, generally speaking (yes, I remember Kent State--not the same, and yes, an outrage.) So I'm not against making certain issues a priority, such as mindful energy use, alternative energy sponsorship, recycling/reuse, and sensitivity to all living creatures.

But then you have UN Agenda 21.  What is it?  See our videos and radio shows at the bottom of this page (or search YouTube for Rosa Koire) or buy BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: U.N. Agenda 21 by Rosa Koire click here

Considering its policies are woven into all the General Plans of the cities and counties,  it's important for people to know where these policies are coming from.  While many people support the United Nations for its peacemaking efforts, hardly anyone knows that they have very specific land use policies that they would like to see implemented in every city, county, state and nation.  The specific plan is called United Nations Agenda 21 Sustainable Development, which has its basis in Communitarianism.  By now, most Americans have heard of sustainable development but are largely unaware of Agenda 21.

In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners.  It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control.  Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body.  Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation.  Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

U.N. Agenda 21 cites the affluence of Americans as being a major problem which needs to be corrected.  It calls for lowering the standard of living for Americans so that the people in poorer countries will have more, a redistribution of wealth.  Although people around the world aspire to achieve the levels of prosperity we have in our country, and will risk their lives to get here, Americans are cast in a very negative light and need to be taken down to a condition closer to average in the world.  Only then, they say, will there be social justice which is a cornerstone of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan.

Agenda 21 policies date back to the 70's but it got its real start in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it.  President Clinton signed it later and continued the program in the United States.  A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives,  ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21.  Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members; our town joined in 2007. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

It's time that people educate themselves and read the document and related commentary.  After that, get a copy of your city or county's General Plan and read it.  You will find all sorts of policies that are nearly identical to those in U.N. Agenda 21.  Unfortunately, their policies have advanced largely unnoticed and we are now in the end game.  People need to identify their elected officials who are promoting the U.N.'s  policies and hold them accountable for their actions.  Only when we've identified who the people are and what they are trying to do will we be able to evaluate whether or not we approve of the policies they are putting forward.  Some people may think it's appropriate for agencies outside the United States to set our policies and some people will not.  The question is, aren't  Americans  able to develop their own policies?  Should we rely on an organization that consists of member nations that have different forms of governments, most of which do not value individual rights as much as we do?  It's time to bring U.N. Agenda 21 out in the open where we can have these debates and then set our own policies in accordance with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. 
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Ok, you say, interesting, but I don't see how that really affects me. Here are a few ways:

No matter where you live, I'll bet that there have been hundreds of condos built in the center of your town recently.  Over the last ten years there has been a 'planning revolution' across the US.  Your commercial, industrial, and multi-residential land was rezoned to 'mixed use.' Nearly everything that got approvals for development was designed the same way: ground floor retail with two stories of residential above.  Mixed use.  Very hard to finance for construction, and very hard to manage since it has to have a high density of people in order to justify the retail.  A lot of it is empty and most of the ground floor retail is empty too. High bankruptcy rate.
 
So what?  Most of your towns provided funding and/or infrastructure development for these private projects.  They used Redevelopment Agency funds.  Your money.  Specifically, your property taxes.  Notice how there's very little money in your General Funds now, and most of that is going to pay Police and Fire?  Your street lights are off, your parks are shaggy, your roads are pot-holed, your hospitals are closing.  The money that should be used for these things is diverted into the Redevelopment Agency.  It's the only agency in government that can float a bond without a vote of the people.  And they did that, and now you're paying off those bonds for the next 45 years with your property taxes.  Did you know that?  And by the way, even if Redevelopment is ended, as in California, they still have to pay off existing debt--for 30 to 45 years. 
 
So, what does this have to do with Agenda 21? 

Redevelopment is a tool used to further the Agenda 21 vision of remaking America's cities. With redevelopment, cities have the right to take property by eminent domain---against the will of the property owner, and give it or sell it to a private developer. By declaring an area of town 'blighted' (and in some cities over 90% of the city area has been declared blighted) the property taxes in that area can be diverted away from the General Fund. This constriction of available funds is impoverishing the cities, forcing them to offer less and less services, and reducing your standard of living.  They'll be telling you that it's better, however, since they've put in nice street lights and colored paving.  The money gets redirected into the Redevelopment Agency and handed out to favored developers building low income housing and mixed use. Smart Growth. Cities have had thousands of condos built in the redevelopment areas and are telling you that you are terrible for wanting your own yard, for wanting privacy, for not wanting to be dictated to by a Condo Homeowner's Association Board, for being anti-social, for not going along to get along, for not moving into a cramped apartment downtown where they can use your property taxes for paying off that huge bond debt.  But it's not working, and you don't want to move in there.  So they have to make you.  Read on.

Human habitation, as it is referred to now, is restricted to lands within the Urban Growth Boundaries of the city.  Only certain building designs are permitted.  Rural property is more and more restricted in what uses can be on it.  Although counties say that they support agricultural uses, eating locally produced food, farmer's markets, etc, in fact there are so many regulations restricting water and land use (there are scenic corridors, inland rural corridors, baylands corridors, area plans, specific plans, redevelopment plans, huge fees, fines) that farmers are losing their lands altogether.  County roads are not being paved. The push is for people to get off of the land,  become more dependent, come into the cities.  To get out of the suburbs and into the cities.  Out of their private homes and into condos.  Out of their private cars and onto their bikes.

Bikes.  What does that have to do with it?  I like to ride my bike and so do you.  So what?  Bicycle advocacy groups are very powerful now.  Advocacy.  A fancy word for lobbying, influencing, and maybe strong-arming the public and politicians.  What's the conection with bike groups?  National groups such as Complete Streets, Thunderhead Alliance, and others, have training programs teaching their members how to pressure for redevelopment, and training candidates for office.  It's not just about bike lanes, it's about remaking cities and rural areas to the 'sustainable model'.  High density urban development without parking for cars is the goal. This means that whole towns need to be demolished and rebuilt in the image of sustainable development.  Bike groups are being used as the 'shock troops' for this plan.

What plan?  We're losing our homes since this recession/depression began, and many of us could never afford those homes to begin with.  We got cheap money, used whatever we had to squeak into those homes, and now some of us lost them.  We were lured, indebted, and sunk. Whole neighborhoods are empty in some places.  Some are being bulldozed.  Cities cannot afford to extend services outside of their core areas. Slowly, people will not be able to afford single family homes.  Will not be able to afford private cars.  Will be more dependent.  More restricted. More easily watched and monitored.

This plan is a whole life plan.  It involves the educational system, the energy market, the transportation system, the governmental system, the health care system, food production, and more.  The plan is to restrict your choices, limit your funds, narrow your freedoms, and take away your voice.  One of the ways is by using the Delphi Technique to 'manufacture consensus.' Another is to infiltrate community groups or actually start neighborhood associations with hand-picked 'leaders'.  Another is to groom and train future candidates for local offices.  Another is to sponsor non-governmental groups that go into schools and train children.  Another is to offer federal and private grants and funding for city programs that further the agenda.  Another is to educate a new generation of land use planners to require New Urbanism.  Another is to convert factories to other uses, introduce energy measures that penalize manufacturing, and set energy consumption goals to pre-1985 levels.  Another is to allow unregulated immigration in order to lower standards of living and drain local resources.

All of this sounds unbelievable until you have had direct experience with it.  You probably have, but unless you resisted it you won't know it's happening. That's why we'd like you to read our blog 'The Way We See It' (click here). Go to the section in the blog (look on the right side under Categories) called Our Story.  You'll get a look at how two unsuspecting people fell into a snake pit and survived to tell about it.

RADIO
Rosa with Rumor Mill News' Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Feb 21, 2012 click


Rosa with KSFO's BARBARA SIMPSON JANUARY 15, 2012  (problem with this link, we're working on it)

Rosa with Marti Oakley on TS Radio January 11, 2012  Great show! click here

ROSA KOIRE WITH MAGGIE RODDIN ON THE UNSOLICITED OPINION, SEPT 23, 2011 CLICK HERE

ROSA KOIRE DEBATES LYNN PLAMBECK 'IS AGENDA 21 REAL?', RADIO, SEPT 1, 2011 CLICK HERE

Rosa Koire, Democrats Against UN Agenda 21, FreeMeNowRadio CLICK HERE

ROSA KOIRE on The Unsolicited Opinion radio show May 26, 2011 CLICK HERE

PHILADELPHIA RADIO SHOW-- ROSA KOIRE December 15, 2010 CLICK HERE

COLORADO RADIO SHOW --The Unsolicited Opinion-- ROSA KOIRE, APRIL 20, 2011 CLICK HERE

REDDING, CA RADIO SHOW--'We, the People'--- ROSA KOIRE, MAY 8, 2011 CLICK HERE

ROSA KOIRE WITH MARTI OAKLEY AND BARBARA PETERSON JANUARY 11, 2012 CLICK HERE

ROSA KOIRE WITH JEFF RENSE ON RENSE RADIO (CLICK ON THE ARROWS BELOW FOR SHOWS IN JULY AND DECEMBER 2011)
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scary shit ! time for a revalution. ;)

    Godfather.
  • Godfather. wrote:
    scary shit ! time for a revalution. ;)

    Godfather.


    You're right.. It is scary shit. And the fact that you are the only one to respond I think shows us who on here actually believes in private property rights and who wants an all power top down centralized gov. With the exception of a few. I have met several people that fled the old Soviet Union and they are completely in disbelief that Americans don't see what's happening. :(



    Here just listen to this caller who called in to Mark Levin's show. She's kinda hard to understand but you get the picture.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih__88sG4fk
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    scary shit ! time for a revalution. ;)

    Godfather.


    You're right.. It is scary shit. And the fact that you are the only one to respond I think shows us who on here actually believes in private property rights and who wants an all power top down centralized gov. With the exception of a few. I have met several people that fled the old Soviet Union and they are completely in disbelief that Americans don't see what's happening. :(



    Here just listen to this caller who called in to Mark Levin's show. She's kinda hard to understand but you get the picture.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih__88sG4fk

    wow !!! (spelling)Takieana nailed it about doctors and hospitals but my favorite quote from her is "Obama is the king of loosers" ..spreading the wealth,Obama care,protesting law that he just signed etc. :nono: people need to wake the f%@k up and vote this KING OF THE LOOSERS OUT of office.

    Godfather.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,214
    :fp: :fp: :fp: Sure what ever you say ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ....ya know what I've seen people post things calling other's sheep.. well Obama suckered many people into following him and they're his sheep and they will follow him right off the cliff,I truley hope that they see him for what he really is now and vote wiser on the next election, it's not about name calling or mud slinging it's about his actions and the direction he is trying to leed this country,why can't people see that ?

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    :fp: :fp: :fp: Sure what ever you say ...

    BAHHHH BAHHHH :lol: some people leed and some follow at least their woll coat will keep them warm. ;)

    Godfather.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,214
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....ya know what I've seen people post things calling other's sheep.. well Obama suckered many people into following him and they're his sheep and they will follow him right off the cliff,I truley hope that they see him for what he really is now and vote wiser on the next election, it's not about name calling or mud slinging it's about his actions and the direction he is trying to leed this country,why can't people see that ?

    Godfather.

    The same reason i can't bring myself to vote for some one like Fakeassrommney it's the same shit all over again ...He won't be any better
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....ya know what I've seen people post things calling other's sheep.. well Obama suckered many people into following him and they're his sheep and they will follow him right off the cliff,I truley hope that they see him for what he really is now and vote wiser on the next election, it's not about name calling or mud slinging it's about his actions and the direction he is trying to leed this country,why can't people see that ?

    Godfather.

    The same reason i can't bring myself to vote for some one like Fakeassrommney it's the same shit all over again ...He won't be any better

    it's better to take a chance on Romney than vote for a sure looser in my opinion...or crap man cast your vote to anybody else..write yourself in..shit man I'll vote for ya. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,214
    Godfather. wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....ya know what I've seen people post things calling other's sheep.. well Obama suckered many people into following him and they're his sheep and they will follow him right off the cliff,I truley hope that they see him for what he really is now and vote wiser on the next election, it's not about name calling or mud slinging it's about his actions and the direction he is trying to leed this country,why can't people see that ?

    Godfather.

    The same reason i can't bring myself to vote for some one like Fakeassrommney it's the same shit all over again ...He won't be any better

    it's better to take a chance on Romney than vote for a sure looser in my opinion...or crap man cast your vote to anybody else..write yourself in..shit man I'll vote for ya. :lol:

    Godfather.

    I hear you loud and clear i might just do that :lol: thanks for the vote :lol:
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • I have to say your avatar alone would definitely get my vote :mrgreen::lol:
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr ... side-pier/

    have you guys seen this ?


    Godfather.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    Science fiction? Conspiracy theory? More like paranoia if you ask me. Shooting from the hip kind of stuff. I mean, look at the one sentence dismissing the Wildlands Network. That statement pretty much indicates that the author of this article doesn't have even a basic understanding of the Wildlands Network and the benefits of its work. Obviously the author does not understand that life on earth is intertwined and interdependent and sees humans as somehow being able to subsist independently from Gaia's self-regulatory functions which Wildlands strives to restore.

    Wildlands Network is a great organization. I donated 1% of my bookstore business's total sales to this organization last year and fully support them. If you're interest in more that an off-the-cuff one line diatribe, check them out here:

    http://www.twp.org/

    Here's what they do. Does this really sound like a "conspiracy"?

    "We are currently experiencing a loss of species so great that we are now experiencing the Sixth Great Extinction. Contributing factors such as: climate change, human population growth, resource extraction, new recreational technologies, habitat fragmentation and loss, invasive species and new diseases are not slowing down. We do not want nature to collapse on our watch.

    Highly interactive species (species whose presence maintains the balance of other palnt and animal speceies with the habitat they share) keep our environment healthy and for us to ultimately survive, so must they. Sadly, we are running out of room for nature. Not even our biggest parks are large enough to sustain wildlife for the long run. Be we see hope in creating enough Room to Roam© through connectivity: connecting and protecting enough land throughout North America.

    Our science-based solution is the creation of four Continental Wildways, large protected corridors of land running coast to coast, and north to south throughout Canada, the U.S. and Mexico — providing enough Room to Roam© to protect wildlife and people for the long-term. Our current areas of focus are the Western and Eastern Wildways."
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • brianlux wrote:
    Science fiction? Conspiracy theory? More like paranoia if you ask me. Shooting from the hip kind of stuff. I mean, look at the one sentence dismissing the Wildlands Network. That statement pretty much indicates that the author of this article doesn't have even a basic understanding of the Wildlands Network and the benefits of its work. Obviously the author does not understand that life on earth is intertwined and interdependent and sees humans as somehow being able to subsist independently from Gaia's self-regulatory functions which Wildlands strives to restore.

    Wildlands Network is a great organization. I donated 1% of my bookstore business's total sales to this organization last year and fully support them. If you're interest in more that an off-the-cuff one line diatribe, check them out here:

    http://www.twp.org/

    Here's what they do. Does this really sound like a "conspiracy"?

    "We are currently experiencing a loss of species so great that we are now experiencing the Sixth Great Extinction. Contributing factors such as: climate change, human population growth, resource extraction, new recreational technologies, habitat fragmentation and loss, invasive species and new diseases are not slowing down. We do not want nature to collapse on our watch.

    Highly interactive species (species whose presence maintains the balance of other palnt and animal speceies with the habitat they share) keep our environment healthy and for us to ultimately survive, so must they. Sadly, we are running out of room for nature. Not even our biggest parks are large enough to sustain wildlife for the long run. Be we see hope in creating enough Room to Roam© through connectivity: connecting and protecting enough land throughout North America.

    Our science-based solution is the creation of four Continental Wildways, large protected corridors of land running coast to coast, and north to south throughout Canada, the U.S. and Mexico — providing enough Room to Roam© to protect wildlife and people for the long-term. Our current areas of focus are the Western and Eastern Wildways."





    Think you better do a little more research dude.. Unless you actually support this.

    http://www.morphcity.com/agenda-21/envi ... /wildlands


    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/38810

    Convention on Biological Diversity: Set aside half the land in America for animals
    The UN Wildlands Project…Taking Over America Starting With Florida



    Almost all Americans know about the United Nations, but few know about Agenda 21, or the US government’s implementation of UN policies.

    The UN issued several policies at the 1992 Earth Summit, one of which was the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD).  Compliance with this UN policy is being driven and managed by the Wildlands Network which shares the same goals as the CBD; to set aside half the land in America for animals.



    But let’s reframe this issue just a bit and put it into perspective; is there any reason you would turn over half of America to Vladimir Putin?  What is the difference between living under Putin’s rule or living under UN rule?  We are giving the eco-socialists our land (the agencies buy it with our taxes) and we are sliding down the slope to living under UN rule.  In Florida, the government has acquired 28% of the land (9.9 million acres), so the UN’s work is already better than 50% done in Florida!
    The process of returning land to its wild state is referred to as “re-wilding.”  Wildlands are created by buying land, reducing or eliminated human activities and access to the land, and then putting buffer zones around them.  Then another wildland is created nearby, and they connect them with more land purchases.  This accumulation of land begins to form corridors, and the corridors then connect to one of the four North American Wildways (migration routes).

    This project is supported and managed by eco-socialists like the Sierra Club, and The Nature Conservancy which brokers land deals, and often works with the USF&WS to obtain and transfer land.

    The Wildlands project (now called Wildlands Network and based in Florida) was first proposed by Earth First’s Dave Foreman, in 1991. The eco-socialists do not hide their intent:  “The Wildlands Network is now spearheading an initiative to connect habitat along the length of eastern North America, from the Everglades of Florida…”

    The ultimate goal is to erase any sign of human activity (houses, roads, trucks, etc.); therefore, humans will be pushed out of wildland areas.  Figure One shows the UN’s plan for America.  We will be living in the black areas (human settlements), while most of the land will be off limits to humans (red, orange, yellow).



    Mr. Foremen, a former board member of the Sierra Club, and The Nature Conservancy stated, “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with its full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

    Federal and state politicians continue passing legislation supporting this UN goal despite the overt usurpation of American sovereignty.  In 1994, President Clinton issued Executive Order 12906 –  Coordinating Geographic Data Acquisition and Access; which resulted in the development of GAP, a graphical mapping system designed to compile the geospatial data and identify bio-diverse units, needed by the Wildlands Network..  (Figures 2 – 4 are from the GAP program.)

    In 2010, House Resolution HR 5101 the ‘‘Wildlife Corridors Conservation Act of 2010” was introduced, and didn’t make it into law, but it provides an insight into the thoughts of our politicians.  The EPA helped out when they started promoting the Wildlands Network on their site.

    In 1999, the Florida legislature passed the Florida Forever program which authorized $3 billion in bonds to purchase land.  In 2008, the program was reauthorized with an additional $3 billion in bonds to conserve land.  The Florida Forever program has provided $6 billion for the acquisition of land.

    As a result of Florida Forever, Florida agencies like DEP’s division of Land Management, and Fish and Wildlife are buying land under the Florida Forever program which states the purchases are for “conservation and recreation lands.”

    However, the Wildlands Network states the land is for:  “ ‘landscape connectivity’ – a connected system of conservation lands – has become widely recognized as essential for long-term ecological viability and wildlife survival, and with this recognition has come renewed interest in making a continental corridor from Québec to Florida, an Eastern ‘Wildway,’ a reality.”

    There are four Wildways in North American, including the Eastern Wildway, which extends into the Everglades.  It is doubtful Floridians would be approving these expenditures if they knew the real goal of these land purchases.



    Three wildlands (blue) purchased by FL F&WS are shown connected by a fourth parcel (rust) creating a corridor.  These wildlands are “managed for biodiversity – disturbance events suppressed,” which is bureaucratic speak meaning human activity that could disturb animals is prohibited; “Keep out.”

    Figure Three, shows the land purchases around the Ocala National Forest by numerous government agencies.



    Figure Four, shows lands designated for environmental use in the State of Florida.  Floridians have given 28% of Florida (9.9 million acres) to the government.  Unless we stop these government land acquisitions we will all end up in apartments located on a little black dot known as a human settlement, as presented on Figure One.



    Politicians of both parties, and agencies at the federal and state levels are working together to create the UN’s vision of controlling 50% of America, and the federal government already owns about 50% of the western US.  Karl Marx wrote, “The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence:  Abolish all private property.”  The UN and their eco-socialist ilk have pledged to take our land and our freedom, and the people in our government are helping them!

    All property owners should ask themselves if they would prefer to control their own land, or would they prefer their land be managed by a global management system of government experts?  The socialists have been working unimpeded for years, and it is apparent freedom loving Americans need to play catch-up.  We cannot rely upon, or trust, our government or politicians to do it for us.  There is a new paradigm we must accept; only we the people can stop this.

    James Lampe grew up in Pittsburgh, PA, earned a BS in Environmental Science and worked as a laborer and QA Chemist in a steel mill. He entered the environmental field as a Project Manager in the NJDEP Superfund Program, and his first job was excavating unexploded rocket fuel.

    He went on to work as a Project Manager in environmental consulting, and as an EH&S Manager for a multi-national Pharmaceutical corporation. While working as EH&S Manager for a Pesticide manufacturer, he earned a BA in Business Management. He has performed over 40 EH&S audits and worked on many Superfund sites.

    Jim can be reached at:
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    brianlux wrote:
    Science fiction? Conspiracy theory? More like paranoia if you ask me. Shooting from the hip kind of stuff. I mean, look at the one sentence dismissing the Wildlands Network. That statement pretty much indicates that the author of this article doesn't have even a basic understanding of the Wildlands Network and the benefits of its work. Obviously the author does not understand that life on earth is intertwined and interdependent and sees humans as somehow being able to subsist independently from Gaia's self-regulatory functions which Wildlands strives to restore.

    Wildlands Network is a great organization. I donated 1% of my bookstore business's total sales to this organization last year and fully support them. If you're interest in more that an off-the-cuff one line diatribe, check them out here:

    http://www.twp.org/

    Here's what they do. Does this really sound like a "conspiracy"?

    "We are currently experiencing a loss of species so great that we are now experiencing the Sixth Great Extinction. Contributing factors such as: climate change, human population growth, resource extraction, new recreational technologies, habitat fragmentation and loss, invasive species and new diseases are not slowing down. We do not want nature to collapse on our watch.

    Highly interactive species (species whose presence maintains the balance of other palnt and animal speceies with the habitat they share) keep our environment healthy and for us to ultimately survive, so must they. Sadly, we are running out of room for nature. Not even our biggest parks are large enough to sustain wildlife for the long run. Be we see hope in creating enough Room to Roam© through connectivity: connecting and protecting enough land throughout North America.

    Our science-based solution is the creation of four Continental Wildways, large protected corridors of land running coast to coast, and north to south throughout Canada, the U.S. and Mexico — providing enough Room to Roam© to protect wildlife and people for the long-term. Our current areas of focus are the Western and Eastern Wildways."





    Think you better do a little more research dude.. Unless you actually support this.

    Yes, I actually support Wildlands network- didn't I just say that above? Yes, I'm sure I could find all kinds of sites on the internet that trash the Wildlands projects. No, I don't place property rights in higher regard than the survival of wild species because it's more than simple issues like property rights vs cougars or bighorn sheep- its about the interconnectedness of life and the natural cycles of ecological systems that we've messed with so badly that we're endangering ourselves as well as a lot of other living things in this world and, yeah, that will all work itself out in the long run because nature is a self-correcting process but in the meantime I'd like my kids and theirs to have a chance at living in a half way decent healthy world and yeah I suppose you'd like to argue with me about that too but no thanks.
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    got this today.

    Godfather.

    So much for the first ammendment... freedom of speech = GONE!

    This is hard to believe................ but TRUE.

    New law makes it illegal to protest in Obama's presence

    This means that, wherever Obama is at, his secret service can have you arrested, fined, and imprisoned for more than a YEAR if you ask him something he doesn't like...or say something he doesn't like...or if you are carrying a sign he doesn't like. Sound like he's more like Hitler than Lincoln to you?


    WATCH AND BE AMAZED AT HIS LATEST MOVE TO STAGE A TAKE OVER OF AMERICA...


    Guess you've probably heard about this, but sending it on anyway. It's probably the scariest thing this guy has done yet.


    Are you aware of this new law, signed by Obama in early March 2012?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7S ... &vq=medium
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    Godfather. wrote:
    got this today.

    Godfather.

    So much for the first ammendment... freedom of speech = GONE!

    This is hard to believe................ but TRUE.

    New law makes it illegal to protest in Obama's presence

    This means that, wherever Obama is at, his secret service can have you arrested, fined, and imprisoned for more than a YEAR if you ask him something he doesn't like...or say something he doesn't like...or if you are carrying a sign he doesn't like. Sound like he's more like Hitler than Lincoln to you?


    WATCH AND BE AMAZED AT HIS LATEST MOVE TO STAGE A TAKE OVER OF AMERICA...


    Guess you've probably heard about this, but sending it on anyway. It's probably the scariest thing this guy has done yet.


    Are you aware of this new law, signed by Obama in early March 2012?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7S ... &vq=medium

    I agree that this bill has some problems, Godfather, but with all respect, I think you're being a little overly dramatic. ACLU is watching this one as seen here:

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/h ... otest-bill
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    brianlux wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    got this today.

    Godfather.

    So much for the first ammendment... freedom of speech = GONE!

    This is hard to believe................ but TRUE.

    New law makes it illegal to protest in Obama's presence

    This means that, wherever Obama is at, his secret service can have you arrested, fined, and imprisoned for more than a YEAR if you ask him something he doesn't like...or say something he doesn't like...or if you are carrying a sign he doesn't like. Sound like he's more like Hitler than Lincoln to you?


    WATCH AND BE AMAZED AT HIS LATEST MOVE TO STAGE A TAKE OVER OF AMERICA...


    Guess you've probably heard about this, but sending it on anyway. It's probably the scariest thing this guy has done yet.


    Are you aware of this new law, signed by Obama in early March 2012?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7S ... &vq=medium

    I agree that this bill has some problems, Godfather, but with all respect, I think you're being a little overly dramatic. ACLU is watching this one as seen here:

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/h ... otest-bill


    ooops :D


    Godfather.
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