Response to Hilary Rosen's comments

inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
edited April 2012 in A Moving Train
I'm curious if feminists (and their supporters) will come out in mass to condemn these remarks by Hilary Rosen. Or will this be swept under the rug because she works for Obama?


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/debuts-on-twitter-to-counter-dnc-advisors-insult/

Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor’s Insult
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PROVIDENCE, R.I. – Ann Romney’s debut on Twitter couldn’t have come at a more opportune time.

Ann’s first tweet came just moments after Democratic strategist and DNC adviser Hilary Rosen lobbed an insult at Ann Romney, suggesting that the 64-year-old mother of five and grandmother of 16 had never held a job.

“Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life,” said Rosen, who was being interviewed by CNN’s Anderson Cooper about the “war on women.”

And then, just like that, a familiar name popped up on Twitter: @AnnDRomney.

“I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys. Believe me, it was hard work,” Ann tweeted.

The Romney campaign confirmed to ABC News that the account belongs to Ann Romney.

The tweet came just as husband Mitt wrapped up a second day of campaigning that all but entirely focused on the “war against women,” packing events with female business leaders and accusing the Obama administration’s economic policies of hurting women.

“I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly. Her comments were wrong and family should be off limits. She should apologize,” Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a tweet.

Top Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod also tweeted his disapproval: “Also Disappointed in Hilary Rosen’s comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive.”

Following the interview, Rosen herself tweeted, “I’ve nothing against @AnnRomney. I just don’t want Mitt using her as an expert on women struggling $ to support their family. She isn’t.”

Rosen kept tweeting, not appearing to back off of her comments.

@AnnDRomney Please know, I admire you. But your husband shouldn’t say you are his expert on women and the economy,” said Rosen.

Then Rosen offered a welcome message to Ann, tweeting, “oh and @AnnDRomney welcome to Twitter. You will find it a very exhilarating and often unforgiving place!”
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    What I got out of this:

    1) I hate twitter
    2) I love daycare, so I know it's hard work for stay at home mom's. But the struggle is far different then being a woman i a workplace, so Hilary is correct in that Ann Romney shouldn't be the poster child for the Romney campaign about women in the workplace/economy.
    3) When discussing any topic nowadays, words have to be so carefully chosen that we will be missing out on good thoughts and ideas for fear of a misstep. We need to create open dialogue instead of just rush to be outraged about everything.
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  • maj4emaj4e Posts: 605
    Perfect example of an election year issue.
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    What I got out of this:

    1) I hate twitter



    2) I love daycare, so I know it's hard work for stay at home mom's. But the struggle is far different then being a woman i a workplace, so Hilary is correct in that Ann Romney shouldn't be the poster child for the Romney campaign about women in the workplace/economy.


    3) When discussing any topic nowadays, words have to be so carefully chosen that we will be missing out on good thoughts and ideas for fear of a misstep. We need to create open dialogue instead of just rush to be outraged about everything.


    My response - I was more "outraged" by her twitter comments, which followed the original comment. But, the original comment that women who stay at home "don't work" is complete and total BS, regardless of the person involved. It's out of line.

    Even if that was mis-speak (and she had a different argument that wasn't articulated correctly)... everyone understands that happens, so why not simply apologize for it and be done with it? She hasn't; instead she reigniting the flames on twitter.

    But further, my real issue is - Who the F is she to be saying who CAN and CAN'T be a spokesperson on "the economy" or on "women"? What's her background in economics to dismiss another person's background? Ann Romney is also a Mom and has female parts, so I think she's got the woman thing down. Hilary Rosen is a political commentator - she has no background in economics to my knowledge. I think it's pretty hypocritical to make a snap judgment that another woman can't make economic arguments due to her work background (as a stay at home Mom), when she has little economic background herself.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    just wondering...did Ann have any Nannies helping her out...?

    :mrgreen:
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305

    But the struggle is far different then being a woman i a workplace, so Hilary is correct in that Ann Romney shouldn't be the poster child for the Romney campaign about women in the workplace/economy.

    This, I believe, is what Rosen meant.

    It is so amazing to see idiot after idiot put their foot in their mouth. Amazing.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    What I got out of this:

    1) I hate twitter
    2) I love daycare, so I know it's hard work for stay at home mom's. But the struggle is far different then being a woman i a workplace, so Hilary is correct in that Ann Romney shouldn't be the poster child for the Romney campaign about women in the workplace/economy.
    3) When discussing any topic nowadays, words have to be so carefully chosen that we will be missing out on good thoughts and ideas for fear of a misstep. We need to create open dialogue instead of just rush to be outraged about everything.
    Definitely with you on your first and third points, cincy.

    As to your second one, I'm not a parent but can imagine the difficulties on both sides of working women, be it inside or outside the home. Each have their own hurdles but are dissimilar situations and not necessarily comparable.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    hedonist wrote:
    What I got out of this:

    1) I hate twitter
    2) I love daycare, so I know it's hard work for stay at home mom's. But the struggle is far different then being a woman i a workplace, so Hilary is correct in that Ann Romney shouldn't be the poster child for the Romney campaign about women in the workplace/economy.
    3) When discussing any topic nowadays, words have to be so carefully chosen that we will be missing out on good thoughts and ideas for fear of a misstep. We need to create open dialogue instead of just rush to be outraged about everything.
    Definitely with you on your first and third points, cincy.

    As to your second one, I'm not a parent but can imagine the difficulties on both sides of working women, be it inside or outside the home. Each have their own hurdles but are dissimilar situations and not necessarily comparable.

    And the thing is a working mom is still raising her kids too. It's not like that just magically happens during 8-5 or whatever. Both are tough for different reasons. Both a great options depending on personal choice.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!
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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/452240/ROMNEY-CARD-1.jpg
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    Seriously going there? How many children is she allowed to have? What if those 5 children are better prepared to live awesome lives than most others. Oh, wait, nobody should drive SUV because if everybody on the planet did we'd be doomed for sure right?
    inlet13 wrote:
    But further, my real issue is - Who the F is she to be saying who CAN and CAN'T be a spokesperson on "the economy" or on "women"? What's her background in economics to dismiss another person's background? Ann Romney is also a Mom and has female parts, so I think she's got the woman thing down. Hilary Rosen is a political commentator - she has no background in economics to my knowledge. I think it's pretty hypocritical to make a snap judgment that another woman can't make economic arguments due to her work background (as a stay at home Mom), when she has little economic background herself.

    True that. Our President hasn't even worked in the private sector has he?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    :clap: this is exactly what I was thinking. Having 5 kids is irresponsible.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    inlet13 wrote:
    My response - I was more "outraged" by her twitter comments, which followed the original comment. But, the original comment that women who stay at home "don't work" is complete and total BS, regardless of the person involved. It's out of line.

    The comment is "complete and total BS", because she never said that women who stay at home "don't work."

    This is how a pointless election diversion works... everything gets taken out of context, and in the grand scheme of things, the issue is pointless and is just fodder for talking heads and bloggers.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,904
    It was a really dumb thing to say and is being all blown up because of the elections. She'd have a hard time saying something more stupid, unfortunately. What a huge waste of time too.

    Hillary, this one's for you. :nono:

    Also, if she felt she had to call a campaign on something, she sure could have said it better.

    Hilary Rosen ‏ @hilaryr
    When I said @AC360 Ann Romney never worked I meant she never had to care for her kids AND earn a paycheck like MOST American women! #Truth
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    Kat wrote:
    It was a really dumb thing to say and is being all blown up because of the elections. She'd have a hard time saying something more stupid, unfortunately. What a huge waste of time too.

    Hillary, this one's for you. :nono:

    Also, if she felt she had to call a campaign on something, she sure could have said it better.

    Hilary Rosen ‏ @hilaryr
    When I said @AC360 Ann Romney never worked I meant she never had to care for her kids AND earn a paycheck like MOST American women! #Truth

    Ah ha! Now we know who come up with the new smilies! :D

    Seriously though, it was a dumb thing to say. I would love it if all politicians, either while on the computer or at least in their heads, would use the "preview" button or at least the "edit" button. It's saved me from more than one verbal blunder!
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  • KathiKathi Posts: 1,828
    What I got out of this:

    1) I hate twitter
    2) I love daycare, so I know it's hard work for stay at home mom's. But the struggle is far different then being a woman i a workplace, so Hilary is correct in that Ann Romney shouldn't be the poster child for the Romney campaign about women in the workplace/economy.
    3) When discussing any topic nowadays, words have to be so carefully chosen that we will be missing out on good thoughts and ideas for fear of a misstep. We need to create open dialogue instead of just rush to be outraged about everything.

    agree with everything but number 1. it's fun. ;)
    Hilary Rosen ‏ @hilaryr
    When I said @AC360 Ann Romney never worked I meant she never had to care for her kids AND earn a paycheck like MOST American women! #Truth
    when looked at it that way, she's right.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    :clap: this is exactly what I was thinking. Having 5 kids is irresponsible.


    Happy Birthday Ann!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOlNpXHr ... el&list=UL

    Moms%2BDrive%2Bthe%2Beconomy.jpg
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    :clap: this is exactly what I was thinking. Having 5 kids is irresponsible.


    Happy Birthday Ann!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOlNpXHr ... el&list=UL

    Moms%2BDrive%2Bthe%2Beconomy.jpg


    hahahaha... what political horseshit lol...

    Send a message to Obama for what? He quickly shot down Rosen's comments.

    People are stupid...
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Send a message to Obama for what? He quickly shot down Rosen's comments.

    People are stupid...

    Let's be fair, Obama himself made an equally idiotic comment that stay at home mom's is the toughest job in the world. Talk about pandering. Such bs. It may be one of the toughest for what, 4-5 years...then it's one of the easiest.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Send a message to Obama for what? He quickly shot down Rosen's comments.

    People are stupid...

    Let's be fair, Obama himself made an equally idiotic comment that stay at home mom's is the toughest job in the world. Talk about pandering. Such bs. It may be one of the toughest for what, 4-5 years...then it's one of the easiest.

    Absolutely... that is why I hate politics. Make a big deal out of a stupid out of context comment, get people fired up about it, then hit them up for fundraising.

    And yes, stay at home is a very tough job until school starts. Then after that... pretty damn easy.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    breaking news... the rich don't have to work :shock: :o

    I mean really if any of us won the lottery 313 million would we work? nope...
    maybe pretend work ;)

    When I was young and left my job along with my best buddy at the time, she and I got hit
    with so much crap from the working Moms for being stay at home Moms.
    This the early 80's.

    After a few times and a few cocktails my friend came up with a good one to shut them up ...

    "who would work if they didn't have to? I mean really..." granted it was smug but
    bless her heart worked every time.

    Are we supposed to hate the rich just cause they are ... isn't that petty jealousy?

    I agree most of the very wealthy do not understand what working families experience
    but when it comes down to mothers worrying, mothers loving, we are all the same.
    Five boys... yikes! Good work Ann! :D
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    :clap: this is exactly what I was thinking. Having 5 kids is irresponsible.


    i have 4 kids(all mine)... how irresponsible am i??
    hear my name
    take a good look
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    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I think perhaps in the Romney's case they ended up with a first string trying to have
    the little girl they always wanted
    understandable ...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I have no trouble supporting the notion of motherhood being a full-time, important and difficult job. What I do have a problem with is the idea of having five kids (all hers) in a world with a population that recently topped SEVEN BILLION!

    :clap: this is exactly what I was thinking. Having 5 kids is irresponsible.


    i have 4 kids(all mine)... how irresponsible am i??


    50% ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
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