Looks like it's Romney, thoughts from fellow conservatives?

drinkbigredinstead

With the recent endorsements it appears Romney is our man. Thoughts from fellow conservatives?

mikepegg44

It pains me to think that Romney will be the nominee. It has nothing to do with him not being "conservative" enough, and everything to do with the fact that he has been called in the media the presumptive nominee from the start. Every candidate who got near the top was compared to Romney...ask people why they support him...most will say it is because he has the best chance of winning(talk about circular logic) and not because they believe in what he believes(what does he believe exactly)...the media driven two party system wins again if he is the nominee...and that is what hurts the most. This nomination is the self-fulling prophecy...can anyone explain to me why he is the best candidate?

How about you, what are your thoughts?

but this could just be the bitter ramblings of the candidate who shall not be named...

Johnny Abruzzo

Seems like he just doesn't make that visceral connection to people, a la Dole, Gore, Kerry. As opposed to the Reagans, Clintons, GWB, Palin, Obama (and these visceral connections cut both ways, obviously). People will vote for him if they can't stand Obama, not because they really like Romney.

hedonist

I'm registered as Independent because I can't stand the labelling thing (although I appreciate the wonderful irony of having to assign myself to a particular party).

Definitely fiscally conservative as well as in other aspects. And then, fairly liberal on other issues.

Hmmm.

Anyway, I'm not for the re-election of Obama, so...I feel a bit stuck. As mentioned here by others, I don't want to vote for someone just by default.

That said, I have much respect for Rubio, a la his endorsement.

Just not sure which way I'm gonna go at this point as it's still a bit early to commit one way or the other.

Keeping the mind-door open for now.

mikepegg44

hedonist wrote:

I'm registered as Independent because I can't stand the labelling thing (although I appreciate the wonderful irony of having to assign myself to a particular party).

Definitely fiscally conservative as well as in other aspects. And then, fairly liberal on other issues.

Hmmm.

Anyway, I'm not for the re-election of Obama, so...I feel a bit stuck. As mentioned here by others, I don't want to vote for someone just by default.

That said, I have much respect for Rubio, a la his endorsement.

Just not sure which way I'm gonna go at this point as it's still a bit early to commit one way or the other.

Keeping the mind-door open for now.

Look at Gary Johnson...he may not win, but the more support we can throw around OUTSIDE of the two party system in the end will be more beneficial to our country than who the president is at any given point, in my opinion of course.

I kind of want to start a party that has no platform, maybe not even a candidate...but instead will vote for someone and not against someone else...that really is the only thing I care about anymore...Seems like the only way to beat the two major parties at their own game is simply quit playing with them...

It will be called the positive party and we will hold rallies that discuss all candidates and their actual positions. Not a negative word aloud in about the other guys...only positivity about a particular candidate can be spoken...

blackredyellow

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Seems like he just doesn't make that visceral connection to people, a la Dole, Gore, Kerry. As opposed to the Reagans, Clintons, GWB, Palin, Obama (and these visceral connections cut both ways, obviously). People will vote for him if they can't stand Obama, not because they really like Romney.

This election reminds me a lot of 2004... Democrats ran a wealthy, sometimes smug, candidate, with no real concrete positions, and their main rallying cry was that he wasn't Bush. Sounds exactly what 2012 will be like.

drinkbigredinstead

mikepegg44 wrote:

It pains me to think that Romney will be the nominee. It has nothing to do with him not being "conservative" enough, and everything to do with the fact that he has been called in the media the presumptive nominee from the start. Every candidate who got near the top was compared to Romney...ask people why they support him...most will say it is because he has the best chance of winning(talk about circular logic) and not because they believe in what he believes(what does he believe exactly)...the media driven two party system wins again if he is the nominee...and that is what hurts the most. This nomination is the self-fulling prophecy...can anyone explain to me why he is the best candidate?

How about you, what are your thoughts?

but this could just be the bitter ramblings of the candidate who shall not be named...

I'm not thrilled with Romney either. I don't care for the anyone-but- Obama stance as that is what got us into this mess to begin with, however a vote for a third party won't get Obama out of office.

People wanted anyone but Bush and the country is worse now then before on so many levels.

Don't even get me started on the media....Obama comes out and uses a boys coffin as his soap box, doesn't condemn the bounty placed on a man that is innocent until proven guilty and nothing is said. Obama tells Russia to wait until after the election and it's ignored.....

inmytree

drinkbigredinstead wrote:

Don't even get me started on the media....Obama comes out and uses a boys coffin as his soap box, doesn't condemn the bounty placed on a man that is innocent until proven guilty and nothing is said. Obama tells Russia to wait until after the election and it's ignored.....

if all of these items you mentioned were "ignored", how do you know about them...?

mikepegg44

drinkbigredinstead wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

It pains me to think that Romney will be the nominee. It has nothing to do with him not being "conservative" enough, and everything to do with the fact that he has been called in the media the presumptive nominee from the start. Every candidate who got near the top was compared to Romney...ask people why they support him...most will say it is because he has the best chance of winning(talk about circular logic) and not because they believe in what he believes(what does he believe exactly)...the media driven two party system wins again if he is the nominee...and that is what hurts the most. This nomination is the self-fulling prophecy...can anyone explain to me why he is the best candidate?

How about you, what are your thoughts?

but this could just be the bitter ramblings of the candidate who shall not be named...

I'm not thrilled with Romney either. I don't care for the anyone-but- Obama stance as that is what got us into this mess to begin with, however a vote for a third party won't get Obama out of office.

People wanted anyone but Bush and the country is worse now then before on so many levels.

Don't even get me started on the media....Obama comes out and uses a boys coffin as his soap box, doesn't condemn the bounty placed on a man that is innocent until proven guilty and nothing is said. Obama tells Russia to wait until after the election and it's ignored.....

But it will allow me to sleep at night knowing I voted in what I believed in, not who they told me had a chance to win...to me and many others, there is no difference between Obama and Romney. One drives the car off the cliff at 20 mph and the other at 60....what is the difference in the result? You cannot tell me that someone who is only willing to increase spending by a little less than the other guy is all that much better...I don't care what he spends the money on...it is that deficit mentality that has devalued the dollar so much that everything costs more almost by the day it would seem.

Speaking of media ignoring...Ron Paul had a rally yesterday in madison, Gingrich did as well...gingrich talked to a few hundred, Paul to 5200...what story do you think made national news...fucking pathetic...let's keep reporting on people who inspire no one, who talk to the same blue haired folks that have been alienating younger voters for years with dirty tricks at every level and social conservatism that seeks to keep rights away from people and alienate groups of voters that may be conservative. But a 76 year old man who gets 20 year old kids interested in politics...fuck him...Dammit, I promised myself I wouldn't go down this spiral again...help, someone through me a life vest...I am about to waste another day pissed about the ridiculous coverage of ron paul.

ok back on track. Romney may be slightly better, but in no way to I trust him. I will not vote for someone I do not trust no matter what party they are from...

pandora

Just please choose Ron Paul as his VP ...
then I would consider it.

Otherwise I'll be waiting and watching to see how the economy is doing at election time,
which I am assuming will be even better yet.

polaris_x

this thread proves the fallacy of conservatives ... obama worst than bush!??? ... romney better than obama!?? ... take off the partisan goggles for a second and try and be objective ... turn off cnn, fox and all that shit ...

it's like conservatives forget the absurdity of the bush administration or the fact obama ran against a sell out who brought on a dufus for a running mate ... they don't see that the GOP has spent the last 4 years basically screwing obama over instead of trying to help americans ... good grief man ... now romney!?? ... really!????? ...

yeah ... i'm a socialist but i'd vote 3rd party before all these other corporate lackeys ... and i have said from the get-go that peeps should vote for ron paul ... still ... if the choice is obama or romney - i don't see how anyone can vote for romney ...

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

this thread proves the fallacy of conservatives ...

Only thing it proves is you can't read.

drinkbigredinstead

inmytree wrote:

drinkbigredinstead wrote:

Don't even get me started on the media....Obama comes out and uses a boys coffin as his soap box, doesn't condemn the bounty placed on a man that is innocent until proven guilty and nothing is said. Obama tells Russia to wait until after the election and it's ignored.....

if all of these items you mentioned were "ignored", how do you know about them...?

Hope this clears up my post for you.

ignore - verb
Definition of IGNORE

1to fail to give proper attention to <ignoring your health now will haunt you further down the road>
Synonyms bypass, disregard, forget, ignore, overlook, overpass, pass over, slight, slur (over)

Related Words fail; miss, omit; brush (aside or off), reject, shrug off, slough (off) also sluff (off); disdain, scorn; scant, skimp

If you are not concerned by Obama asking Russia to wait until after the election on a topic there isn't much more I can say.

Indifference

polaris_x wrote:

this thread proves the fallacy of conservatives ... obama worst than bush!??? ... romney better than obama!?? ... take off the partisan goggles for a second and try and be objective ... turn off cnn, fox and all that shit ...

it's like conservatives forget the absurdity of the bush administration or the fact obama ran against a sell out who brought on a dufus for a running mate ... they don't see that the GOP has spent the last 4 years basically screwing obama over instead of trying to help americans ... good grief man ... now romney!?? ... really!????? ...

yeah ... i'm a socialist but i'd vote 3rd party before all these other corporate lackeys ... and i have said from the get-go that peeps should vote for ron paul ... still ... if the choice is obama or romney - i don't see how anyone can vote for romney ...

So your a socialist and prefer Obama to Romney - SHOCKED!

polaris_x

Indifference wrote:

So your a socialist and prefer Obama to Romney - SHOCKED!

i'm a socialist that prefers ron paul over obama as well ...

Indifference

polaris_x wrote:

Indifference wrote:

So your a socialist and prefer Obama to Romney - SHOCKED!

i'm a socialist that prefers ron paul over obama as well ...

Well we can agree on that!

brianlux

If Romney were conservative the way I am (as in conservationist I be happy to hear it's Romney. Not likely I'll be celebrating however. (Yes, I also like to conservatively wreck grammar now and then. )

Jeanwah

One has to be delusional if they really think getting a different person in office will make one bit of difference. The system will never change by voting a different scapegoat in.

brianlux

Jeanwah wrote:

One has to be delusional if they really think getting a different person in office will make one bit of difference. The system will never change by voting a different scapegoat in.

That seems to be the case. Sad but true.

Johnny Abruzzo

Some funny stuff in this thread.

Media ignores Ron Paul's 5,200 people rallies because he later will get fewer than 5,200 actual votes.

I saw that Obama whispering thing a million times, and him talking about the Florida thing. Don't know which media outlet is ignoring any of that? :?

"I'm going to wait and see how the economy is to figure out who I vote for." Why? Just because unemployment or gas prices or whatever got better or worse at a certain time doesn't necessarily make the incumbent president better or worse. That's a strange way to vote.

CH156378

brianlux wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

One has to be delusional if they really think getting a different person in office will make one bit of difference. The system will never change by voting a different scapegoat in.

That seems to be the case. Sad but true.

i 100% diasagree. i think the world would be a much better place if mcgovern, carter, gore, or kerry would have won. i guess that makes me not only delusional but a partisan..