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oftenreading

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

My mayor.... Is an idiot named Nenshi

I think we should rename this the "I Hate Harper" thread

I'm sure you are all really nice people, and you are Pearl Jam fans which is cool, but your overtly left-wing leanings are just waaaay to much for me.

Everyone wants a handout instead of working for it. I will just never get it. I moved out of the house at 18 and my first full time gig was for 6 bucks an hour. This is after dropping out of post-secondary school and wasting taxpayers dollars for four years (not proud of that).

So instead of feeling sorry for myself about how the rich get richer and whining the government should pay me for doing nothing, I began to work and work hard. It opened doors for me. I moved to places people don't necessarily want to live (Fort Mcmurray) and slugged it out for a decade.

Now I make a really decent living and my lovely wife and I can give ourselves and her three kids a good life. But according to Trudeau, I'm not doing enough. I have to "give a little more".
It's not bad enough I give thousands a year in income tax alone already... I'm just not doing "enough".
Nevermind that nimrod Nenshi continually jacks our property taxes about 3% a year already, now Trudeau is going to tax me some more. Mulcair would do the same.

The TPP will not only benefit the rich, as stated by a another left wing lunatic. Does anyone really think free trade is a bad thing? Opening up 40% of the world markets is not good for jobs in Canada? Those "corporate whores" you talk about that EMPLOY PEOPLE. Or is it just that you don't really want jobs, you actually want to sit on your fat ass and collect a cheque.

Maybe you just want something to complain about. Seems like the way it is these days. If you think it's that bad, vote for who you want, but Canada is doing just fine.

This is the most ignorant post I have read all day. All week. All month?

I can't respond to everyone I pissed off lol, so I'll just respond to the last one.

That post is how I feel, call me "ignorant" a "NEO CON" or whatever else.
Ignorant would mean uninformed or blind. Everything I said was based on what I deem fact, followed by an opinion of that fact.

The Canadian way is to complain, to sit back and whine about how bad it is, when really it's pretty damn good. You have every opportunity in this country if you take a shot, commit yourself, and DO something.

If you like paying more taxes, have atter! There are about 60 taxes/fees I can think of off the top of my head you are already paying. What was I thinking? We need a stronger middle class!! We should all strive for the middle!! I mean, that's what Canada is all about right? Mediocrity... Just flying under the radar.

If you lived in Calgary, there is more than one Nenshi bashed. If he becomes PM, well that would be an unmitigated disaster. This guy still lives with his parents lmao. Beauty.

It's a free country people! I have every right to my opinion. You have the right to yours,
Funniest part to me is, You fight against capitalism on a board of a corporation, and that corporation is Pearl Jam. You don't think MOST of the money stays at the top? I'm sure the CEO (Ed) and the Board of Directors (stone,Jeff, Mike, and Matt) all make off very handsomely with the money you spend.
I'm sure their employees make a good living, not millionaires necessarily, but middle class living.
They support different charities (like almost EVERY OTHER CORPORATION) and do good deeds, but in the end, it's a business.
Hey, I see nothing wrong with it! They didn't need the CBC to be famous. They got there because they were good. Kind of like Apple, Google, Exxon, Canadian Tire, Walmart, spongebob square pants, Royal Dutch Shell, etc etc.

You live In a free market economy, all your ridiculous vitriolic rants about Harper making deals with the devil are laughable. I've said before, I'm no Harper fan, but I am also not "ignorant" either

Somebody somebody will explain to me how they think the world works without capitalism. Yeah Norway and Sweden, but they aren't Canada, with 10 provinces and 3 territories who all seem to think differently about what is important here.
I'm fine with the social safety net AS IT IS. I care not to give anymore, thanks Turdo. I prefer to give whatever else I can to organizations to help others without the government getting their greasy paws on it first.
Remember those days? No probably not because you have been drinking the socialist koolaid since PET

The Nordic countries are capitalist countries that also have strong social policies.

What are the Nordic countries policies on the niqab?

edit - http://www.doamuslims.org/?p=3069

From what I can see, wearing the niqab is legal in public areas in Sweden.

The public areas are a fantastic place to wear the niqab.
Government areas not so much.

Legal there too.

northerndragon

1ThoughtKnown said:

My mayor.... Is an idiot named Nenshi

I think we should rename this the "I Hate Harper" thread

I'm sure you are all really nice people, and you are Pearl Jam fans which is cool, but your overtly left-wing leanings are just waaaay to much for me.

Everyone wants a handout instead of working for it. I will just never get it. I moved out of the house at 18 and my first full time gig was for 6 bucks an hour. This is after dropping out of post-secondary school and wasting taxpayers dollars for four years (not proud of that).

So instead of feeling sorry for myself about how the rich get richer and whining the government should pay me for doing nothing, I began to work and work hard. It opened doors for me. I moved to places people don't necessarily want to live (Fort Mcmurray) and slugged it out for a decade.

Now I make a really decent living and my lovely wife and I can give ourselves and her three kids a good life. But according to Trudeau, I'm not doing enough. I have to "give a little more".
It's not bad enough I give thousands a year in income tax alone already... I'm just not doing "enough".
Nevermind that nimrod Nenshi continually jacks our property taxes about 3% a year already, now Trudeau is going to tax me some more. Mulcair would do the same.

The TPP will not only benefit the rich, as stated by a another left wing lunatic. Does anyone really think free trade is a bad thing? Opening up 40% of the world markets is not good for jobs in Canada? Those "corporate whores" you talk about that EMPLOY PEOPLE. Or is it just that you don't really want jobs, you actually want to sit on your fat ass and collect a cheque.

Maybe you just want something to complain about. Seems like the way it is these days. If you think it's that bad, vote for who you want, but Canada is doing just fine.

So you took a handout when your lazy ass needed it, finally came to your senses and went and got job. You are the ultimate hypocrite.
You want a story here you go. I moved out when I was 16, worked and finished putting myself through HS. I worked the minimum wage jobs, as no honest job that paid was too good for me. At one point I spent seven months looking for a job. Did I get assistance yes, did I look for a job every day of that seven months you bet. Ended up moving to find work and when I did I worked two jobs. I then put myself through post secondary and now have a very good job in my field. I work everyday in our healthcare system and I am more than happy to pay my taxes so that it can exist. It's not about being lazy as you obviously were. It's about being a compassionate human being and understanding that there are others who need help. I know you are all wrapped up in the making more money to buy more shit nobody needs so that you can show off to other self involved asshats and feel good about your self.
Is capitalism needed yes, is it needed at the expense of the lower classes no. There is a balance as with all things in life. The trick is to not be so self consumed and to look at the bigger picture and see that if everyone helps there is less disparity between the classes and more overall happiness. This is a real thing that cannot be purchased like a 3Fap, it cannot be displayed it must be lived.
If you don't want to pay so many taxes personally how about you start advocating that the corporations start paying their fair share(at least the same percentage as the average middle class Canadian. If you're are so against handouts how about you start advocating against the subsidies the major corporations get before they slither out of paying their fair share of taxes.
There is nothing wrong with trying to attain wealth and working hard to do so. There is something wrong with being ok stomping all over those who may be doing the same thing but have not been as fortunate.
As for the CBC I'm fine with them giving voice to the smaller market musicians, authors, artists, actors, comedians and communities around Canada. There is nothing wrong with being able to earn a living doing these things that allow us to take a moment to appreciate the finer things, without having to achieve major stardom. Just a simple middle class life, paying their taxes like everyone else.

polaris_x

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Good job.

I read the post you responded to and was going to tackle it, but decided against it. Your words have likely had little effect, but as I said... good job- you do what you can and hope for the best.

A country just to the south of us, which prides itself on capitalism, is wrought with poverty, crime, and desperation. In Europe, countries with advanced social programs see their citizens enjoy high qualities of life and experience happiness.

If I had been on social assistance for four years and eventually got my shit together... I'd be willing to give back to the system that never saw me on the streets resorting to crime or digging in garbage cans- allowing me to get my feet on the ground and make a life for myself.

F**king selfishness. Take full advantage of a caring system... get what you need from it... and then support the dismantling of it now that you don't need it.

well ... selfish is sort of a conservative trait ... the me over we ... i actually don't have too much of a problem with that ... really, it's hard to argue in this world if someone chooses to prioritize their own self interests over everyone else ...

my main problem with conservatives here in Canada is they lack the integrity to admit that they are wrong ... they skirt around the issues and just fire off bs talking points ... it's like they get a playbook and that's all they do ... you can't have a rational discussion with any of them because they can't rationally argue their position ... that is unless they flat out say - listen I don't care about anyone else but me ... i'd have a bit more respect for them ... at least they would be honest ...

polaris_x

the niqab is the biggest non-issue out there ... gotta hand it to harper and the fucker he hired ... he played on people's fear and ignorance and helped bring the hate out ... now, he's made the stupidest thing an election issue ... it's brilliant in so much as he targeted the ignorant and rallied them on something that no one really fucking cares about ...

HughFreakingDillon

1ThoughtKnown said:

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

My mayor.... Is an idiot named Nenshi

I think we should rename this the "I Hate Harper" thread

I'm sure you are all really nice people, and you are Pearl Jam fans which is cool, but your overtly left-wing leanings are just waaaay to much for me.

Everyone wants a handout instead of working for it. I will just never get it. I moved out of the house at 18 and my first full time gig was for 6 bucks an hour. This is after dropping out of post-secondary school and wasting taxpayers dollars for four years (not proud of that).

So instead of feeling sorry for myself about how the rich get richer and whining the government should pay me for doing nothing, I began to work and work hard. It opened doors for me. I moved to places people don't necessarily want to live (Fort Mcmurray) and slugged it out for a decade.

Now I make a really decent living and my lovely wife and I can give ourselves and her three kids a good life. But according to Trudeau, I'm not doing enough. I have to "give a little more".
It's not bad enough I give thousands a year in income tax alone already... I'm just not doing "enough".
Nevermind that nimrod Nenshi continually jacks our property taxes about 3% a year already, now Trudeau is going to tax me some more. Mulcair would do the same.

The TPP will not only benefit the rich, as stated by a another left wing lunatic. Does anyone really think free trade is a bad thing? Opening up 40% of the world markets is not good for jobs in Canada? Those "corporate whores" you talk about that EMPLOY PEOPLE. Or is it just that you don't really want jobs, you actually want to sit on your fat ass and collect a cheque.

Maybe you just want something to complain about. Seems like the way it is these days. If you think it's that bad, vote for who you want, but Canada is doing just fine.

This is the most ignorant post I have read all day. All week. All month?

I can't respond to everyone I pissed off lol, so I'll just respond to the last one.

That post is how I feel, call me "ignorant" a "NEO CON" or whatever else.
Ignorant would mean uninformed or blind. Everything I said was based on what I deem fact, followed by an opinion of that fact.

The Canadian way is to complain, to sit back and whine about how bad it is, when really it's pretty damn good. You have every opportunity in this country if you take a shot, commit yourself, and DO something.

If you like paying more taxes, have atter! There are about 60 taxes/fees I can think of off the top of my head you are already paying. What was I thinking? We need a stronger middle class!! We should all strive for the middle!! I mean, that's what Canada is all about right? Mediocrity... Just flying under the radar.

If you lived in Calgary, there is more than one Nenshi bashed. If he becomes PM, well that would be an unmitigated disaster. This guy still lives with his parents lmao. Beauty.

It's a free country people! I have every right to my opinion. You have the right to yours,
Funniest part to me is, You fight against capitalism on a board of a corporation, and that corporation is Pearl Jam. You don't think MOST of the money stays at the top? I'm sure the CEO (Ed) and the Board of Directors (stone,Jeff, Mike, and Matt) all make off very handsomely with the money you spend.
I'm sure their employees make a good living, not millionaires necessarily, but middle class living.
They support different charities (like almost EVERY OTHER CORPORATION) and do good deeds, but in the end, it's a business.
Hey, I see nothing wrong with it! They didn't need the CBC to be famous. They got there because they were good. Kind of like Apple, Google, Exxon, Canadian Tire, Walmart, spongebob square pants, Royal Dutch Shell, etc etc.

You live In a free market economy, all your ridiculous vitriolic rants about Harper making deals with the devil are laughable. I've said before, I'm no Harper fan, but I am also not "ignorant" either

Somebody somebody will explain to me how they think the world works without capitalism. Yeah Norway and Sweden, but they aren't Canada, with 10 provinces and 3 territories who all seem to think differently about what is important here.
I'm fine with the social safety net AS IT IS. I care not to give anymore, thanks Turdo. I prefer to give whatever else I can to organizations to help others without the government getting their greasy paws on it first.
Remember those days? No probably not because you have been drinking the socialist koolaid since PET

this attitude right here is the problem. are people striving for "mediocrity"? if mediocrity means being comfortable in life without believing I need a 3000 sq foot home, then call me mediocre. I can be happy in life with my small house that fits my wife and 2 girls just fine. we have everything we need. I don't need a fancy car to feel good about myself.

the happiest societies, studies have shown, as oftenreading mentioned, are those with the most well-run social programs. a successful society isn't a rich one, as you obviously believe. a successful society is one where most participants are of equal value.

your society is every man for himself, which is incredibly selfish. I'd prefer my extra money go to help society, not fill my garage with useless shiny things.

dignin

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

polaris_x

i would recommend everyone review this ...
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-15.html

it's really the one thing that makes me proud to be a Canadian ... sadly, Harper has gone to court numerous times trying to challenge this document ... while simultaneously pissing on it ...

polaris_x

dignin said:

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

my parents probably voted conservative last election ... i thought about robocalling them myself ... but decided to ask them to not vote conservative ... they asked why ... i explained why and they said ... "oh shit" ... "definitely not voting conservative" ...

i don't feel good about it but i'm quietly hoping for a liberal-ndp coalition ... don't really care who is pm ... anyone but harper ...

HughFreakingDillon

northerndragon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

This is after dropping out of post-secondary school and wasting taxpayers dollars for four years (not proud of that).

So you took a handout when your lazy ass needed it, finally came to your senses and went and got job. You are the ultimate hypocrite.

this is exactly what I'm talking about. he got his handout, and now thinks he deserved it and no one else does. if he really is "not proud of that", then pay it back, or remain, as you put it, the ultimate hypocrite.

dignin

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

my parents probably voted conservative last election ... i thought about robocalling them myself ... but decided to ask them to not vote conservative ... they asked why ... i explained why and they said ... "oh shit" ... "definitely not voting conservative" ...

i don't feel good about it but i'm quietly hoping for a liberal-ndp coalition ... don't really care who is pm ... anyone but harper ...

Maybe you would have better luck than me talking to my parents then.

I try.......but the blinders go up. This Thanksgiving is going to be a train-wreck.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Some people say
ABC - Always Be Conservative.
This makes more sense.

oftenreading

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Some people say
ABC - Always Be Conservative.
This makes more sense.

conservative
[kuh n-sur-vuh-tiv]
Examples
Word Origin

adjective
1.disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2.cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3.traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
4.(often initial capital letter) of or relating to the Conservative party.
5.(initial capital letter) of, relating to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6.having the power or tendency to conserve or preserve.
7.Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar.

Which one are you suggesting, PJfan? Do you strive to be cautiously moderate or purposefully low, avoiding novelty or showiness? That frankly sounds a little boring, or, dare I saw it, mediocre. Do you like to preserve things; perhaps jam, or pickles? Is your curl equal to zero? Honestly, your ABC doesn't make sense to me.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^^
Are you calling me boring and mediocre?
I guess one could get that from my posts on these boards.
I think #6 is a healthy option for all without being labelled for having such a quality.

ABC!

oftenreading

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Are you calling me boring and mediocre?
I guess one could get that from my posts on these boards.
I think #6 is a healthy option for all without being labelled for having such a quality.

ABC!

No name calling at all; rather, just expressing my opinion that those qualities are not ones I aspire to.

I'm also fond of preserves but they don't affect my voting decisions.

PJfanwillneverleave1

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Are you calling me boring and mediocre?
I guess one could get that from my posts on these boards.
I think #6 is a healthy option for all without being labelled for having such a quality.

ABC!

No name calling at all; rather, just expressing my opinion that those qualities are not ones I aspire to.

I'm also fond of preserves but they don't affect my voting decisions.

(you missed my grin that I edited on after), I was joking
what are your views on #6 ?

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

my parents probably voted conservative last election ... i thought about robocalling them myself ... but decided to ask them to not vote conservative ... they asked why ... i explained why and they said ... "oh shit" ... "definitely not voting conservative" ...

i don't feel good about it but i'm quietly hoping for a liberal-ndp coalition ... don't really care who is pm ... anyone but harper ...

My entire family is voting Conservative, and there seems to be nothing I can say to stop them.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

my parents probably voted conservative last election ... i thought about robocalling them myself ... but decided to ask them to not vote conservative ... they asked why ... i explained why and they said ... "oh shit" ... "definitely not voting conservative" ...

i don't feel good about it but i'm quietly hoping for a liberal-ndp coalition ... don't really care who is pm ... anyone but harper ...

My entire family is voting Conservative, and there seems to be nothing I can say to stop them.

Given that you hate harper so much I assume the rest of your family that is voting conservative is unaffected by his evil ways that you talk about.
No?

dignin

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

my parents probably voted conservative last election ... i thought about robocalling them myself ... but decided to ask them to not vote conservative ... they asked why ... i explained why and they said ... "oh shit" ... "definitely not voting conservative" ...

i don't feel good about it but i'm quietly hoping for a liberal-ndp coalition ... don't really care who is pm ... anyone but harper ...

My entire family is voting Conservative, and there seems to be nothing I can say to stop them.

My family doesn't like Harper. But they hate the idea of paying more taxes. That is their ballot box issue. They ignore everything else.

PJfanwillneverleave1

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

I smell trouble for the NDP this election. Are we possibly seeing a red wave? It's amazing how much 60 to 70% of the Canadian population want Harper out.

ABC

my parents probably voted conservative last election ... i thought about robocalling them myself ... but decided to ask them to not vote conservative ... they asked why ... i explained why and they said ... "oh shit" ... "definitely not voting conservative" ...

i don't feel good about it but i'm quietly hoping for a liberal-ndp coalition ... don't really care who is pm ... anyone but harper ...

My entire family is voting Conservative, and there seems to be nothing I can say to stop them.

My family doesn't like Harper. But they hate the idea of paying more taxes. That is their ballot box issue. They ignore everything else.

Exactly!
Ignore the NDP and you are left with two viable contenders.
ABC!

oftenreading

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Are you calling me boring and mediocre?
I guess one could get that from my posts on these boards.
I think #6 is a healthy option for all without being labelled for having such a quality.

ABC!

No name calling at all; rather, just expressing my opinion that those qualities are not ones I aspire to.

I'm also fond of preserves but they don't affect my voting decisions.

(you missed my grin that I edited on after), I was joking
what are your views on #6 ?

I know. And my post included my views on #6.