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chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
edited March 2012 in Other Music
i searched for this topic and i did not find a previous thread on this topic.

http://youtu.be/7mZdvFSiWQI
http://youtu.be/FxwEwI02LW4
http://youtu.be/ZC7tBJiIUsA
http://youtu.be/pk-O9K_dQVo

anyone else interested in this madness? the hell's angels guy that is @ 1:20 is trippin balls so bad, so much, he is losing his fucking mind only a few feet from mick.

someone died. i think (maybe but not sure) a baby or two were born. the hell's angels smacked the fuck out of someone in the jefferson airplane. doctors needed. children lost from parents. bikers riding into and through 100's of thousands of people. the grateful dead says fuck off and fly away from this disaster in a helicopter. csn&y were there spreading music and peaceful hippydippy

i very much dislike the hell's angels and the like. frickin greasy punks.

anyone got anything interesting?
for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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  • MysteryTrainMysteryTrain Singapore Posts: 1,189
    Interesting stuff. Have you seen the documentary film, Gimme Shelter? A stabbing was actually caught on camera.
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,124
    The Grateful Dead song "New Speedway Boogie" was about Altamont.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVsSKuxyaro
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    That dude is tripping balls, but I don't think he's a Hell's Angel. He's dressed in "hippie" type clothes, and I don't think the Angels would have tossed one of their own off in the crowd like that.

    There were several deaths there. 1 was accidental, then there was a hit and run death and the stabbing of Meredith Hunter. Hunter was waving a gun around and pointing it at the stage. Some say he was trying to shoot Mick Jagger, others say he was trying to shoot one of the Angels that were up on the stage.

    As MysteryTrain said, you should watch "Gimme Shelter". It's mainly about the Altamont Free Concert, and it's where all that YouTube footage comes from. It shows other stuff on the '69 tour leading up to the show, and behind the scenes stuff, as well as the planning of the concert and aftermath.

    Here's some extra footage (from the Get Yer Ya Ya's Out anniversary box set) that wasn't used in Gimme Shelter. It actually starts a minute or so in, before that is some backstage footage of the Stones and Jimi Hendrix. It shows The Stones (minus Keith and Bill) waiting around for a helicopter with Jerry Garcia and some others trying to get there. They have no clue what they're in for.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQl1heKBNWI
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • bennett13bennett13 Posts: 439
    Gimme Shelter is the anti-Woodstock...the inevitable emergence of the dark side of the counter-culture of the sixties. Peace, love, dope and free love...a perfect example of something that sounds good in theory, but in reality results in mass chaos, violence and death.

    Some of my favorite moments in the movie:

    1. Jerry Garcia's reaction when told of the violence and chaos in the crowd: "Oh, bummer, man!"
    2. Sonny Liston of the Hell's Angels staring down Mick Jagger as if he wants to kill him...chilling.
    3. Mick's plea to the crowd: "Brothers and sisters, get it together...who's fighting and what for?" :lol:
    4. Paul Kantner getting into a quarrel onstage with a Hell's Angel over how they just "knocked out my lead singer" (Marty Balin)
    5. The only footage I'm aware of (and all too brief, at that) of the original lineup of the Flying Burrito Brothers.
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    bennett13 wrote:
    2. Sonny Liston of the Hell's Angels staring down Mick Jagger as if he wants to kill him...chilling.

    I think you mean Sonny Barger. Sonny Liston was an African American boxer. But yeah, you hit the nail on the head with your post.

    I'm not sure that was Barger though that is giving Mick that stare, if we're thinking of the same thing. If you mean the guy they show in a long shot of just looking at Mick with disgust while he performs, I'm almost 90% sure that's another Angel.

    Here's the guy I'm thinking of

    HellsAngel.jpg

    And this is Sonny Barger around that time

    Sonny4.JPG

    I'm not sure if Sonny is ever actually seen in the movie. I think we just hear his voice on the radio call-in show.
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • bennett13bennett13 Posts: 439
    SatansFuton wrote:
    bennett13 wrote:
    2. Sonny Liston of the Hell's Angels staring down Mick Jagger as if he wants to kill him...chilling.

    I think you mean Sonny Barger. Sonny Liston was an African American boxer. But yeah, you hit the nail on the head with your post.

    I'm not sure that was Barger though that is giving Mick that stare, if we're thinking of the same thing. If you mean the guy they show in a long shot of just looking at Mick with disgust while he performs, I'm almost 90% sure that's another Angel.

    Here's the guy I'm thinking of

    HellsAngel.jpg

    And this is Sonny Barger around that time

    Sonny4.JPG

    I'm not sure if Sonny is ever actually seen in the movie. I think we just hear his voice on the radio call-in show.


    :lol::lol::lol: Sonny Liston was a boxer....wow do I feel dumb! Yeah, it was Sonny Barger I was thinking of...and even then I was wrong...the pic you posted from Gimme Shelter is the guy I was referring to....looks like he'd love to stomp Mick to death! Thanks for the corrections.
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    bennett13 wrote:
    :lol::lol::lol: Sonny Liston was a boxer....wow do I feel dumb! Yeah, it was Sonny Barger I was thinking of...and even then I was wrong...the pic you posted from Gimme Shelter is the guy I was referring to....looks like he'd love to stomp Mick to death! Thanks for the corrections.

    :lol:

    The rest of your post was spot-on though. That shot of the guy staring down Mick really is powerful though. It perfectly shows the clash of personalities between the flower children and the Hells Angels. You have Mick, a very feminine man, dancing around doing his thing in the foreground, and behind him this "super-macho" motorcycle gang member just staring at him in disgust. These people really had no business hanging out together, much less one providing security for the other.

    I believe the Hells Angels idea was Jerry Garcia's was it not? I think they say somewhere in the film, or it may have been in some other documentary I saw, that the Angels had provided security at Grateful Dead shows, and Jerry told Mick to just buy them a bunch of beer and they'd be cool.
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i heard or read and watched clips on Altamont in the past. i was under the impression that Mick & the boys used England's hell's angels chapter for security over there across the way with much success, so Mick & the fellas figured they'd use the hell's angels of California for security at Altamont speedway.

    i find this to be ridiculous and naive of Mick & company. the English version of the hell's angels are probably extremely tame and mild mannered compared to the actual real deal in California, usa.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    SatansFuton wrote:
    That dude is tripping balls, but I don't think he's a Hell's Angel. He's dressed in "hippie" type clothes, and I don't think the Angels would have tossed one of their own off in the crowd like that.

    There were several deaths there. 1 was accidental, then there was a hit and run death and the stabbing of Meredith Hunter. Hunter was waving a gun around and pointing it at the stage. Some say he was trying to shoot Mick Jagger, others say he was trying to shoot one of the Angels that were up on the stage.

    As MysteryTrain said, you should watch "Gimme Shelter". It's mainly about the Altamont Free Concert, and it's where all that YouTube footage comes from. It shows other stuff on the '69 tour leading up to the show, and behind the scenes stuff, as well as the planning of the concert and aftermath.

    Here's some extra footage (from the Get Yer Ya Ya's Out anniversary box set) that wasn't used in Gimme Shelter. It actually starts a minute or so in, before that is some backstage footage of the Stones and Jimi Hendrix. It shows The Stones (minus Keith and Bill) waiting around for a helicopter with Jerry Garcia and some others trying to get there. They have no clue what they're in for.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQl1heKBNWI

    some angel was wearing a long sleeve satin purple dress shirt under his leather vest. at first i thought the dude trippin balls had on a black leather angel's vest, turns out after closer examination, he did not. i am going to suggest that he, the man freakin balls, is a hell's angel in training. that is how i see it anyway.

    and yes i believe a hell's angel would toss one of their own off stage if he were showing weakness and unable to stand there and scare people half to death.

    just my $0.02 worth.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    chadwick wrote:
    some angel was wearing a long sleeve satin purple dress shirt under his leather vest. at first i thought the dude trippin balls had on a black leather angel's vest, turns out after closer examination, he did not. i am going to suggest that he, the man freakin balls, is a hell's angel in training. that is how i see it anyway.

    and yes i believe a hell's angel would toss one of their own off stage if he were showing weakness and unable to stand there and scare people half to death.

    just my $0.02 worth.

    Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. How an Angel would treat their own I don't know, and I'm sure they aren't "touchy feely", but at an event where they're supposedly providing a united front and supplying security, I just didn't see them tossing one of their own in the crowd.

    And where most of the Angels are wearing vests or something that says they're Angels on it, this dude is just wearing a denim jacket and some psychedelic looking shirt underneath. I've never noticed the Angel in the dress before, but this dude just doesn't look like one of the Angels, especially in comparison to the crazy one next to him.

    Hippy.jpg
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • bennett13bennett13 Posts: 439
    SatansFuton wrote:
    bennett13 wrote:
    :lol::lol::lol: Sonny Liston was a boxer....wow do I feel dumb! Yeah, it was Sonny Barger I was thinking of...and even then I was wrong...the pic you posted from Gimme Shelter is the guy I was referring to....looks like he'd love to stomp Mick to death! Thanks for the corrections.

    :lol:

    The rest of your post was spot-on though. That shot of the guy staring down Mick really is powerful though. It perfectly shows the clash of personalities between the flower children and the Hells Angels. You have Mick, a very feminine man, dancing around doing his thing in the foreground, and behind him this "super-macho" motorcycle gang member just staring at him in disgust. These people really had no business hanging out together, much less one providing security for the other.

    I believe the Hells Angels idea was Jerry Garcia's was it not? I think they say somewhere in the film, or it may have been in some other documentary I saw, that the Angels had provided security at Grateful Dead shows, and Jerry told Mick to just buy them a bunch of beer and they'd be cool.

    I think the Hell's Angels first started hanging out with the hippies during Ken Kesey's acid tests, and since the house band at those parties was the Warlocks (later renamed the Grateful Dead), it may very well have been Garcia that suggested the association. I agree they had no business hanging out with each other, but I think they thought they had a "common bond": drugs.

    The hippies were the "all-accepting" type, and I think the Angels definitely saw an opportunity to exploit a weak, naive group of people.
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    SatansFuton wrote:
    bennett13 wrote:
    2. Sonny Liston of the Hell's Angels staring down Mick Jagger as if he wants to kill him...chilling.

    I think you mean Sonny Barger. Sonny Liston was an African American boxer. But yeah, you hit the nail on the head with your post.

    I'm not sure that was Barger though that is giving Mick that stare, if we're thinking of the same thing. If you mean the guy they show in a long shot of just looking at Mick with disgust while he performs, I'm almost 90% sure that's another Angel.

    Here's the guy I'm thinking of

    HellsAngel.jpg

    And this is Sonny Barger around that time

    Sonny4.JPG

    I'm not sure if Sonny is ever actually seen in the movie. I think we just hear his voice on the radio call-in show.

    dude
    you are a fucking encyclopedia
    and i mean that with total respect
    amazing
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    slickweed wrote:
    dude
    you are a fucking encyclopedia
    and i mean that with total respect
    amazing

    :lol:

    Encyclopedia of useless information maybe. Unless I ever go on Jeopardy and the categories are...

    The Rolling Stones
    80's Movies
    The Green Bay Packers
    South Park
    90's Music
    Beer

    then it might turn out to be useful.

    My co-workers are often amazed that I never know the date, but I can name the date that Marty McFly traveled to in 1955.
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    SatansFuton wrote:
    slickweed wrote:
    dude
    you are a fucking encyclopedia
    and i mean that with total respect
    amazing

    :lol:

    Encyclopedia of useless information maybe. Unless I ever go on Jeopardy and the categories are...

    The Rolling Stones
    80's Movies
    The Green Bay Packers
    South Park
    90's Music
    Beer

    then it might turn out to be useful.

    My co-workers are often amazed that I never know the date, but I can name the date that Marty McFly traveled to in 1955.

    that's right
    it was a rolling stones album/date issue for which you had to enlighten me
    . . .
    still amazing
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    slickweed wrote:
    that's right
    it was a rolling stones album/date issue for which you had to enlighten me
    . . .
    still amazing

    Are you the one who thought Sticky Fingers came out after Exile On Main St?
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    SatansFuton wrote:
    slickweed wrote:
    that's right
    it was a rolling stones album/date issue for which you had to enlighten me
    . . .
    still amazing

    Are you the one who thought Sticky Fingers came out after Exile On Main St?

    why uh no
    that was some absolut-fucking-angel or some chick downbytheriver smoking weed again
    :P
    yeah
    one of them
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • bennett13bennett13 Posts: 439
    SatansFuton wrote:
    slickweed wrote:
    dude
    you are a fucking encyclopedia
    and i mean that with total respect
    amazing

    :lol:

    Encyclopedia of useless information maybe. Unless I ever go on Jeopardy and the categories are...

    The Rolling Stones
    80's Movies
    The Green Bay Packers
    South Park
    90's Music
    Beer

    then it might turn out to be useful.

    My co-workers are often amazed that I never know the date, but I can name the date that Marty McFly traveled to in 1955.

    November 5, right?
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    bennett13 wrote:
    November 5, right?

    Correct.
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,124
    SatansFuton wrote:
    slickweed wrote:
    that's right
    it was a rolling stones album/date issue for which you had to enlighten me
    . . .
    still amazing

    Are you the one who thought Sticky Fingers came out after Exile On Main St?

    WTF!!?!?
  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    SatansFuton wrote:
    slickweed wrote:
    dude
    you are a fucking encyclopedia
    and i mean that with total respect
    amazing

    :lol:

    Encyclopedia of useless information maybe. Unless I ever go on Jeopardy and the categories are...

    The Rolling Stones
    80's Movies
    The Green Bay Packers
    South Park
    90's Music
    Beer

    then it might turn out to be useful.
    This is one of those friend of a friend stories . . . :lol:

    One of my fellow Wholies has a good friend who lives in Scotland. Many years ago he was a contestant on some British quiz show. He won by answering a series of questions about The Who. He later got a note of congratulations from John Entwistle.

    So don't discount all that "useless" information. It might be your ticket to fame and fortune! :lol:
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
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