Elephant Slaughter Highest in more than two decades.

Leyna Minai

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/15/african-elephant-slaughter-highest-in-more-than-two-decades-experts-say/

Using grenade launchers? Seriously?!
I also read an article somewhere saying that elephants are evolving into NOT growing tusks because of the poachers. :(

usamamasan1

The monetary gain from poaching can and has been thrwarted in many instances by offering hunts for the same animals targeted for protection. If the "locals" can see economic opportunity from stopping poaching by offering high dollar hunts, many times the poachers have turned into paid, legal guides.

Even the regulated sale of ivory tusks can help the elephants in a similar regard.

It's a difficult issue for sure and the approach above seems a bit ass backwards but it has seen some success from what I have read.

Pap

:shock: No! My favourite animal...

hedonist

Leyna Minai wrote:

I also read an article somewhere saying that elephants are evolving into NOT growing tusks because of the poachers. :(

I watched a program recently saying the same thing.

Seriously fucked up and heartbreaking.

I have no problem ridding the world of poachers. Bless the folks who are trying to do so.

Bronx Bombers

Hey without elephant ivory where would the Chinese get the material to make their crappy trinkets.

usamamasan1

I wonder how many people are aware that a vast majority of the funding for the DNR comes from hunters/fisherman.


Poachers fucking suck.

chadwick

oh my god. elephants are basically learning how to stop their ivory tusks from growing so they do not get murdered for their ivory. the rhino will adapt/adopt this same evolutionary skill to stay alive.

to keep polar bears alive, polar bears and grizzlies are mating and creating a new breed of bear. i am disgusted to be human.

i wish everyone who has ever murdered a elephant will be struck by lightning. this my prayer. i say this to the wind, to carry my message and dream up to the clouds to defend all animals. the elephant, a lord among lords.



something like this..................

tybird

Evolving not to grow tusks due to poachers??? Really....do not believe that is how evolution works....however, the gene pool could be reduced to only those specimens that did not grow tusks due to mutation or those grew smaller tusks due to mutation.

chadwick

tybird wrote:

Evolving not to grow tusks due to poachers??? Really....do not believe that is how evolution works....however, the gene pool could be reduced to only those specimens that did not grow tusks due to mutation or those grew smaller tusks due to mutation.

animals do things differently than they used to because of humans. (does that sound right?)

female moose have learned to give birth near or directly on a highway because bears are on them. a bear generally will not come within so may hundreds of feet or yards to a highway. the moose have figured this out and now they have more succesful births. now more moose are lasting through this birthing cycle/passage and running off into the wilds with their mothers and bears not far behind them.

usamamasan1

tybird wrote:

the gene pool could be reduced to only those specimens that did not grow tusks due to mutation or those grew smaller tusks due to mutation.

Truth be told

JonnyPistachio

chadwick wrote:

i wish everyone who has ever murdered a elephant will be struck by lightning. this my prayer.

That would be too kind...I suggest they trip and fall face first into a hot pile of 5x5 elephant doodie and suffocate to near death. And then, when they realize they are indeed alive, they rise out of the steamy pile to realize that one of their eyeballs was exposed to so much poo that they can only see through shit shades.

chadwick

JonnyPistachio wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i wish everyone who has ever murdered a elephant will be struck by lightning. this my prayer.

That would be too kind...I suggest they trip and fall face first into a hot pile of 5x5 elephant doodie and suffocate to near death. And then, when they realize they are indeed alive, they rise out of the steamy pile to realize that one of their eyeballs was exposed to so much poo that they can only see through shit shades.

and then hit be lightning after all that doodie poo in their face and eyes? when do they get hung and tortured? when do they get stoned to death old school style? when does the elephant murderer get fed to salt water crocs and piranha?

same as the gorilla murderers
they get set of fire and ran over with tanks...3 tanks per gorilla killer

kill a elephant
get beat to death with a set of speakers that are playing death metal as a big screen tv plays golden girls reruns 3 inches from their face, eyes taped open

Lizard

and then you have idiots like this.... http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/donald-trump-sons-criticized-brutal-hunting-photos-released-213958504.html

Leyna Minai

Lizard wrote:

and then you have idiots like this.... http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/donald-trump-sons-criticized-brutal-hunting-photos-released-213958504.html

Oh I read that! What a dumbass..and he poses which animal and takes a picture.
Ugh...disgusting.

And after they fall face first in a pile of elephant doodoo, and struck by lighting, a stampede of elephants can run them over.

usamamasan1

looks like it's open season on the bald eagle in the US. at least for a couple of them, at least for now.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625 ... 21180.html

josevolution

With some many drones why can't we just be blowing these creeps out of the jungle , i say use the drones to seek these poachers and destroy them ....No i know just wishful thinking on my part :x

Leyna Minai

Even that word POACHER just sounds like something evil. :evil:

tybird

chadwick wrote:

tybird wrote:

Evolving not to grow tusks due to poachers??? Really....do not believe that is how evolution works....however, the gene pool could be reduced to only those specimens that did not grow tusks due to mutation or those grew smaller tusks due to mutation.

animals do things differently than they used to because of humans. (does that sound right?)

female moose have learned to give birth near or directly on a highway because bears are on them. a bear generally will not come within so may hundreds of feet or yards to a highway. the moose have figured this out and now they have more succesful births. now more moose are lasting through this birthing cycle/passage and running off into the wilds with their mothers and bears not far behind them.

That's a change in behavior.....nothing can will its body to change its genetic disposition...some animals can change their reproductive cycles in response to environmental pressures....female rabbits can re-absorb its young prior to birth and coyotes can increase their reproductive potential under certain changes....but a living creature can not change its genetic structure by its own will. Elephants with the larger tusks are more likely to be removed from the species gene pool, thus making it possible for elephants with smaller tusks to appear more successful in passing along the genotype for smaller tusks. The same could apply to rhinoceros with smaller horns being potentially more successful in breeding than their brethren with larger horns, who are removed from the pool due to their more lucrative horns.

tybird

Leyna Minai wrote:

Even that word POACHER just sounds like something evil. :evil:

That's because it is evil :twisted:

brianlux

I can't read the article right now. It would not look good if I started banging my head on the table in the book store. I admire elephants and support The Elephant Sanctuary which is in Tennessee. Well worth checking them out. May be one the last refuges with as natural a surrounding as possible.

tybird

brianlux wrote:

I can't read the article right now. It would not look good if I started banging my head on the table in the book store. I admire elephants and support The Elephant Sanctuary which is in Tennessee. Well worth checking them out. May be one the last refuges with as natural a surrounding as possible.

The idea has been floated of restoring elephants to North America since our native species went extinction about 15,000 years. :ugeek:

chadwick

tybird wrote:

chadwick wrote:

tybird wrote:

Evolving not to grow tusks due to poachers??? Really....do not believe that is how evolution works....however, the gene pool could be reduced to only those specimens that did not grow tusks due to mutation or those grew smaller tusks due to mutation.

animals do things differently than they used to because of humans. (does that sound right?)

female moose have learned to give birth near or directly on a highway because bears are on them. a bear generally will not come within so may hundreds of feet or yards to a highway. the moose have figured this out and now they have more succesful births. now more moose are lasting through this birthing cycle/passage and running off into the wilds with their mothers and bears not far behind them.

That's a change in behavior.....nothing can will its body to change its genetic disposition...some animals can change their reproductive cycles in response to environmental pressures....female rabbits can re-absorb its young prior to birth and coyotes can increase their reproductive potential under certain changes....but a living creature can not change its genetic structure by its own will. Elephants with the larger tusks are more likely to be removed from the species gene pool, thus making it possible for elephants with smaller tusks to appear more successful in passing along the genotype for smaller tusks. The same could apply to rhinoceros with smaller horns being potentially more successful in breeding than their brethren with larger horns, who are removed from the pool due to their more lucrative horns.

thank you for this. makes sense to me

rollings

tybird wrote:

chadwick wrote:

tybird wrote:

Evolving not to grow tusks due to poachers??? Really....do not believe that is how evolution works....however, the gene pool could be reduced to only those specimens that did not grow tusks due to mutation or those grew smaller tusks due to mutation.

animals do things differently than they used to because of humans. (does that sound right?)

female moose have learned to give birth near or directly on a highway because bears are on them. a bear generally will not come within so may hundreds of feet or yards to a highway. the moose have figured this out and now they have more succesful births. now more moose are lasting through this birthing cycle/passage and running off into the wilds with their mothers and bears not far behind them.

That's a change in behavior.....nothing can will its body to change its genetic disposition...some animals can change their reproductive cycles in response to environmental pressures....female rabbits can re-absorb its young prior to birth and coyotes can increase their reproductive potential under certain changes....but a living creature can not change its genetic structure by its own will. Elephants with the larger tusks are more likely to be removed from the species gene pool, thus making it possible for elephants with smaller tusks to appear more successful in passing along the genotype for smaller tusks. The same could apply to rhinoceros with smaller horns being potentially more successful in breeding than their brethren with larger horns, who are removed from the pool due to their more lucrative horns.

but isn't this process called natural selection....and which is the key element to evolution?

bennett13

josevolution wrote:

With some many drones why can't we just be blowing these creeps out of the jungle , i say use the drones to seek these poachers and destroy them ....No i know just wishful thinking on my part :x

I find comments like these hilarious...aren't most of you folks opposed to waging war against terrorists or the death penalty for killing a HUMAN?
Then you support death / bombing for killing an ELEPHANT?

Man...you people!

chadwick

bennett13 wrote:

josevolution wrote:

With some many drones why can't we just be blowing these creeps out of the jungle , i say use the drones to seek these poachers and destroy them ....No i know just wishful thinking on my part :x

I find comments like these hilarious...aren't most of you folks opposed to waging war against terrorists or the death penalty for killing a HUMAN?
Then you support death / bombing for killing an ELEPHANT?

Man...you people!

yes elephant murderers should be bombed to death just like child molesters should be bombed until dead, dead, dead.

tybird

Rollings wrote:

but isn't this process called natural selection....and which is the key element to evolution?

Yes, but "nature" or agents of "nature" are making the selection....the animals do not make the selection or the genetic change as a choice....the selection is forced upon them....the potential to mate with elephants with longer tusks, a sign of health and perceived better genes, is limited, so breeding will occur with elephants with shorter tusks....which may just actually be younger elephants....as their tusk continue to grow as they age. But if it is elephants with a genotype for shorter/smaller tusks that do successfully breed, then it is that genotype that will mostly likely be passed forward.