$250 fee for an infraction that someone else commits.

mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,935
edited March 2012 in A Moving Train
In a local affluent suburb, a law was just passed where if a parent goes out of town and their teenager throws a party (regardless of whether the parent knows or not) the parent risks getting a $250 infraction if the cops make a visit, and finds underage drinking.

Thoughts?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ty10m.html
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  • I know it sounds old school but, this is coming from a 33 year old, you shouldn't go out of town and leave a teenager 'responsible' for your home. You should absolutely be legally responsible for your kids actions if you leave the 'kid' responsible for your home. Isn't that a judgement call, whether or not to allow your kid to take on the responsibility? If so, when the judgement call turns out to be bad, you should face the consequences....no?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Seems like a no-brainer....although the term "someone else" makes it seem like the parents aren't involved.

    My thoughts - whether in or out of town, they're still the parents and as such, are - or should be - responsible for their children until their children are of age.

    (I will admit, I have no idea what "of age" is anymore in these times)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,545
    And we used to have 3 kegs at the water tower at noon on a Tuesday in May during a school day on one of those half days of school and the other half was supposed to be "related instruction." What is this country coming to?

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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,616
    In a local affluent suburb, a law was just passed where if a parent goes out of town and their teenager throws a party (regardless of whether the parent knows or not) the parent risks getting a $250 infraction if the cops make a visit, and finds underage drinking.

    Thoughts?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ty10m.html

    Aren't parents responsible for the acts of their minor children?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I have no problem with that at all...

    Chances are that if the cops come to bust a party in your house, a $250 fine is probably the least of your problems at that point.

    As a teenager, I threw parties the couple times my parents went away. With two boys myself, when they get to that age, I am going to be too afraid to leave the house to them.

    From the article:
    Earlier this week, James told a TV reporter that despite his feelings about the law, he would go ahead and pay the fine.

    But on Friday, James said he is reconsidering, in part because an attorney he knows told him he doubts the Mercer Island ordinance is constitutional.


    Of course an attorney is going to tell him that... the attorney doesn't care if he wins that case or the law is constitutional or not, he/she is probably just thinking of the money he can make.
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  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    In a local affluent suburb, a law was just passed where if a parent goes out of town and their teenager throws a party (regardless of whether the parent knows or not) the parent risks getting a $250 infraction if the cops make a visit, and finds underage drinking.

    Thoughts?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ty10m.html

    Aren't parents responsible for the acts of their minor children?

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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    They are your responsibility but would the kids also get drinking tickets? I think that would be enough.

    Kids need to be smart
  • jethrojam420jethrojam420 Foxborough MA Posts: 1,075
    they should be fined if the cops show up.

    i got a 50 dollar ticket because my backseat passenger (an adult) decided to not wear a seat belt and turn around to look at the cop behind us. So i figure if this law passed the courts, a fee to the parents of dependents who break the law shouldn't have trouble...
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    i got a 50 dollar ticket because my backseat passenger (an adult) decided to not wear a seat belt and turn around to look at the cop behind us.

    That's garbage, I'm sorry about that.
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,935
    i got a 50 dollar ticket because my backseat passenger (an adult) decided to not wear a seat belt and turn around to look at the cop behind us.

    That's garbage, I'm sorry about that.

    but to go off of this, say dad's 17/18 year old son was driving in a seperate car and his son's friend did the no seat belt thing, then dad gets a $50 ticket because son was driving Dad's car. Also garbage?
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,935
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    In a local affluent suburb, a law was just passed where if a parent goes out of town and their teenager throws a party (regardless of whether the parent knows or not) the parent risks getting a $250 infraction if the cops make a visit, and finds underage drinking.

    Thoughts?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ty10m.html

    Aren't parents responsible for the acts of their minor children?

    i'd say one the kid is 16 they're independents in regards to being law obiding citizens. If you want to extrapolate the train of thought that parant's are responsible, then shouldn't the parent get fined every time the kid does a traffic violation, or if they get a bad grade in school, then it goes on the parent's resume?
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  • When I was 16, my parents would go on tour (they're musicians) and leave me alone in the house. I wouldn't have crazy booze parties but I'd have friends over and yes... we'd drink and party but never so crazy that it became a an issue with the cops.

    When I was 18, they would expect to come home and find me cleaning and airing the smoke out of the house.

    If your kid is so out of control that they're going to have a party that calls the cops... you shouldn't leave them alone.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    i got a 50 dollar ticket because my backseat passenger (an adult) decided to not wear a seat belt and turn around to look at the cop behind us.

    That's garbage, I'm sorry about that.

    but to go off of this, say dad's 17/18 year old son was driving in a seperate car and his son's friend did the no seat belt thing, then dad gets a $50 ticket because son was driving Dad's car. Also garbage?

    Yes
  • i got a 50 dollar ticket because my backseat passenger (an adult) decided to not wear a seat belt and turn around to look at the cop behind us.

    That's garbage, I'm sorry about that.

    but to go off of this, say dad's 17/18 year old son was driving in a seperate car and his son's friend did the no seat belt thing, then dad gets a $50 ticket because son was driving Dad's car. Also garbage?

    Sort of garbage...

    It's garbage that the friend isn't given the ticket (which might then have to be paid by his dad). The fact that dad might have to pay because his son is a minor doesn't bother me. The real issue is that the passenger who isn't wearing a seatbelt should be held responsible for his/her behaviour; not the driver. If the friend is truly a friend, he would cough up the $50 for the ticket since he is the one who is actually at fault.

    Not quite garbage because...

    I can't stand it when parents say they are not responsible for the actions of their children, but then turn around and say that their kids are too young to assume any responsibility themselves. A few years ago I was in a police station getting a police check done. While I was there I had to wait about twenty minutes for this mother and her daughter. The daughter backed the family car into the neighbour's vehicle. The mother didn't want to pay for the damage because her daughter was only sixteen. As far as she was concerned, the daughter was not at fault and she was not responsible. She actually wanted the officer's report changed in order to protect her insurance rates. If your kid is a minor and you aren't responsible, who is?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    When I was 16, my parents would go on tour (they're musicians) and leave me alone in the house. I wouldn't have crazy booze parties but I'd have friends over and yes... we'd drink and party but never so crazy that it became a an issue with the cops.

    When I was 18, they would expect to come home and find me cleaning and airing the smoke out of the house.

    If your kid is so out of control that they're going to have a party that calls the cops... you shouldn't leave them alone.

    I think times might be a little different though now, with facebook/texting. I mean, I graduated in 1993... I have parties at my house in high school when my parents went away. But they were small get togethers, and even then, someone would bring a couple extra people.

    Now, everybody is texting and facebooking everyone, so I can see how quickly a party can get out of hand, even if the kid doesn't mean it too.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    if kids act up and gets the law called on them because they are wild party animals whilst parents are out of town, the kids should be ran over with a tank and set on fire then thrown off a tall building or a bridge that goes over a dry creek bed.

    always, and i mean always, throw someone off something that is at least 40 feet high up there. this includes all children whom party at home and get cars stuck in the yard after a good rain. mud flying, tires squealing, flower beds ruined, and empty beer cans everywhere.

    gather the children up and throw them off a tall structure...remember fire and tank
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  • Monster RainMonster Rain Posts: 1,415
    Any parents who think their kids won't get into any trouble if they're left alone for the weekend are delusional. You can't go through life thinking the trouble only finds someone else's kids because every kid is "someone else's kid" to someone out there. Even if you honestly trust your kid 100%, you don't ever know what other kids are influencing your kid to cave in to peer pressure. Your kid might only invite a couple "trusted" friends over but it only takes one whisper to some other kid or one overheard conversation for a bunch of other kids to show up uninvited with a 30-pack and some vodka--and what kid wants to go through the rest of high school known as the weiner who turned away the "cool kids" and their alcohol and endure the teasing that will go along with it? Do parents really think that kids have gotten any nicer since they were in high school? If so, they need to watch the news every once in a while and see what the world has been offering students lately.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Early 80s, I had a party to celebrate my 15th birthday.

    Band in the backyard - a couple of the original GnR and Hollywood Roses boys who were friends at the time. They kicked ass and were loud.

    (Slash may have been a quiet boy face to face, but musically, he screamed :mrgreen: )

    Of course, the police came. And with them, I conducted myself as the 18-year-old I professed myself to be. They left without citing or fining me, and we got things quieted and cleaned up post-haste.

    It was on me and I understood that.

    It's what I was taught, because I knew my parents were not my "friends". I mean, of course they were, but first and foremost they were my parents.

    I thank them for that.
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