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WWS... How the Hell did Ed know?

PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
edited May 2008 in The Porch
It was not widely reported, if at all, that there were questions surrounding the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman. It became clear that there was a massive cover up after Pearl Jam was released.

How and why did Ed know to pick Pat Tillman as an example of how fucked up the USA government was with this war?
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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    So WWS is about a guy that was killed by friendly fire?
  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    I think it's a coincidence. WWS could be applicable to anyone who has died fighting in Iraq.
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  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    It was not widely reported, if at all, that there were questions surrounding the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman. It became clear that there was a massive cover up after Pearl Jam was released.

    How and why did Ed know to pick Pat Tillman as an example of how fucked up the USA government was with this war?

    Pat Tillman was just one example.... but I didnt' interpret WWS that way. Interesting read of the song though.
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    As I recall, Ed has mentioned a few times in interviews that the song was about Pat Tillman.

    Saw his face in a corner picture
    I recognized the name.
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  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    As I recall, Ed has mentioned a few times in interviews that the song was about Pat Tillman.

    Saw his face in a corner picture
    I recognized the name.
    thats the first time I've ever heard that.. anyone have a link??
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    drsluggo wrote:
    thats the first time I've ever heard that.. anyone have a link??
    http://www.pearljambrasil.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9357
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  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    Sounds like the interviewer just asked if it was about Tillman. Ed only said it was about him and every other soldier. Never said it was specifically about Pat at all.
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    Smellyman wrote:
    Sounds like the interviewer just asked if it was about Tillman. Ed only said it was about him and every other soldier. Never said it was specifically about Pat at all.

    Ok I don't have the "proof" in front of me at this moment that is required to restate a recollection from 2 years ago.

    It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely anal people on this board are. If I had known that during cross examination I was going to need the quotes right out of Ed's mouth I would have saved them.
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  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    Ok I don't have the "proof" in front of me at this moment that is required to restate a recollection from 2 years ago.

    It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely anal people on this board are. If I had known that during cross examination I was going to need the quotes right out of Ed's mouth I would have saved them.

    overreacte much?
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    Smellyman wrote:
    overreacte much?
    Maybe but, 3 posts out of 4 questioned if that was who the song was about. That's all.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    you sure about that timeline? it seems to me that the Pat Tillman thing was already out. cant remember for sure though.
  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    As I recall, Ed has mentioned a few times in interviews that the song was about Pat Tillman.

    Saw his face in a corner picture
    I recognized the name.
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    Ok I don't have the "proof" in front of me at this moment that is required to restate a recollection from 2 years ago.

    It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely anal people on this board are. If I had known that during cross examination I was going to need the quotes right out of Ed's mouth I would have saved them.

    I'm not saying one way or another, I never even heard of Pat Tillman...but since you affirm it's about him, and no-one else seems to recall anything about it...
    it is reasonable to ask you to point to the 'mentioned a few times in interview' more precisely since no-one else seems to recall said interviews.

    you started the thread, it's up to you to flesh out your theory.
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  • nicksmith33nicksmith33 Posts: 38
    Actually, I remember that the song was about Pat Tillman as well. Like the original poster, I don't know exactly where it came from, but I can remember it being said in the interview. Tillman was a pro football player for the Arizona Cardinals who decided to give it all up and join the military and go fight for the US in the war. Then he was killed in combat, and later on the details came out that it was friendly fire that killed him. I don't remember timelines or anything like that, but I do distinctly remember that it was about him. I saw an interview with Ed somewhere. I never really thought of it in terms of the song being related to the friendly fire thing, just that he died in war. That's an interesting thought though.
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    Maybe but, 3 posts out of 4 questioned if that was who the song was about. That's all.
    I think there's something to be said for that... no offense but I'd never heard that either. And I consider myself to be pretty well imformed (aka stalkerish ;) ) about what Ed says publicly...especially specific to what or who a song may be about.
  • stiles22stiles22 Posts: 11
    Pat's family knew something wasn't being disclosed about his death at his funeral, and said so. There were always friendly fire rumors floating around.
  • wickedmonkeyzwickedmonkeyz Posts: 489
    anyone who read the daily paper knew after the incident that something was fishy about the pat tillman death...

    and with regard to PJ Lukin's post, yes... there has been mention in interviews that the song was inspired in part by this case, for those of you asking for transcripts or what not, they are out there if you want to look for them...but this relationship has been noted over the years both here on the pit and also with interviews with Ed
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  • ucsbucsb Posts: 58
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    As I recall, Ed has mentioned a few times in interviews that the song was about Pat Tillman.

    Saw his face in a corner picture
    I recognized the name.



    I thought this song was about Pat Tillman as well. The football player who left the NFL to join the army. And then was killed by friendly fire or something....to that effect.
  • over bendsover bends Posts: 1,568
    Call me dumb, but what part of the song references friendly fire?
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  • wwfairfieldwwfairfield Posts: 216
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    It was not widely reported, if at all, that there were questions surrounding the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman. It became clear that there was a massive cover up after Pearl Jam was released.

    How and why did Ed know to pick Pat Tillman as an example of how fucked up the USA government was with this war?


    "blackout weaves its way through the city..." was written well before the NE Blackouts

    on the vitalogy sleeve it says something like "boila bush" which is mexican or something for '"something" bush' ....and he wasn't even governor of texas yet!!!!



    that dude is clairvoyant


    oh yeah ... don't forget jeremy ....then the wm3 iced those kids

    spooky
  • Uncle NeilUncle Neil Posts: 176
    wwfairfield wrote:
    "blackout weaves its way through the city..." was written well before the NE Blackouts

    on the vitalogy sleeve it says something like "boila bush" which is mexican or something for '"something" bush' ....and he wasn't even governor of texas yet!!!!



    that dude is clairvoyant


    oh yeah ... don't forget jeremy ....then the wm3 iced those kids

    spooky

    Trying to decide if this entire post is a joke or not. If it is, it's not a very good one. If it's not, you need to educate yourself on a lot of different topics and on a lot of different levels.
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    wwfairfield wrote:
    "blackout weaves its way through the city..." was written well before the NE Blackouts

    on the vitalogy sleeve it says something like "boila bush" which is mexican or something for '"something" bush' ....and he wasn't even governor of texas yet!!!!



    that dude is clairvoyant


    oh yeah ... don't forget jeremy ....then the wm3 iced those kids

    spooky
    Ed also predicted some asshole was going to come on the message board and be a complete dickhead... Hey look he was right!
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  • wwfairfieldwwfairfield Posts: 216
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    Ed also predicted some asshole was going to come on the message board and be a complete dickhead... Hey look he was right!
    zing
  • picture_a_cuppicture_a_cup Posts: 17
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    It was not widely reported, if at all, that there were questions surrounding the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman. It became clear that there was a massive cover up after Pearl Jam was released.

    How and why did Ed know to pick Pat Tillman as an example of how fucked up the USA government was with this war?

    Yeah, I remember this line being about Pat Tillman too. Just so someone else has your back. And no, I'm not going to scour the internet for the proof.

    My memory timeline was that the song came out after Tillman's death (NFL football star killed in Afghanistan was a big story too) and even if the friendly fire story and coverup came later I can imagine EdVed being bummed out and writing about it.

    I am 100% convinced that line in WWS is about Tillman until it is proven otherwise.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    so in summary...

    it was about Tillman dying (which was a pretty big story at the time), but makes no mention of friendly fire or cover up. that wasnt out yet and wasnt the purpose of the song.
  • ReeenkRoinkReeenkRoink Posts: 108
    MrSmith wrote:
    so in summary...

    it was about Tillman dying (which was a pretty big story at the time), but makes no mention of friendly fire or cover up. that wasnt out yet and wasnt the purpose of the song.

    The song doesn't mention it but the friendly fire cover up info was allready out there.

    Case closed
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