Who is Joseph Kony?

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

that's the only reason?

no ... but it's the primary reason .. most everything stems from that ...

Vitalogy Man

polaris_x wrote:

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.

it's western nations and corporations that keep africa in poverty ...

Oh, really? How is that?

Godfather.

Kat wrote:

http://www.kony2012.com/watch

he's a young guy really and an veil bastard at that.

Godfather.

Joseph Kony was born in 1961 in Odek, a village east of Gulu in northern Uganda.[1][2] Kony was the son of farmers. He had a good relationship with his siblings, but if they crossed him he came down hard on them.[6] When confronted, he often resorted to his fists rather than parrying verbally. He was teased in school about his size and the teachers gave him a hard time for his low grades. His father was a lay catechist of the Catholic Church and his mother was an Anglican. Kony was an altar boy for several years, but he stopped attending church at about the age of 15.[6] As a teenager, Kony apprenticed as the village witch doctor under his older brother, Jamie Brow, and when his older brother died, he took over full responsibility.[7] A high-school dropout, Kony first came to prominence in January 1986. His group was one of many premillennialist groups that sprang up in Acholiland in the wake of the wildly popular Holy Spirit Movement of Alice Auma (aka Lakwena). However, the conflict in the north began with the resentment among the Acholi at their relative loss of influence after the overthrow of Acholi President Tito Okello by Yoweri Museveni and his National Resistance Army (NRA) during the Ugandan Bush War, ending in 1986.

Originally Kony's group was named the United Holy Salvation Army (UHSA) and was not perceived as a threat by the NRA. By 1988, with the accord between NRA and the Uganda People's Democratic Army and addition of its remnant troops as well as forced recruitment of children the United Holy Salvation Army was becoming a formidable resistance army. The bulk of his foot soldiers were children. He is estimated to have taken 104,000 or more boys and girls since the LRA started fighting in 1986. He often killed their family and neighbors when abducting these children, forcing them to fight for him.[6] With these remnants of UPDA was commander Odong Latek, who convinced Kony to use standard military tactics as opposed to its previous attempts which involved attacking in cross-shaped formations and the use of holy water. The new tactics proved successful and the UHSA delivered several small but stinging defeats against the NRA. After these victories the NRA responded by significantly weakening the Kony's group with political actions and a military campaign named Operation North.

By 1992, Kony had renamed the group United Democratic Christian Army and it was at this time that they kidnapped 44 girls from the Sacred Heart Secondary and St. Mary's girls schools.[8] Operation North was devastating to what would become the Lord's Resistance Army and with their number reduced from thousands to hundreds still engaged in retaliatory attacks on civilians and NRA collaborators.

Betty Bigombe remembered that the first time she met Kony, his followers used oil to ward-off bullets and evil spirits.[9] In a letter regarding future talks, Kony stated that he must consult the Holy Spirit. When the talks did occur they insisted on participation of religious leaders and opened the proceedings with prayers led by LRA's Director of Religious Affairs Jenaro Bongomi. Finally, during the 1994 peace talks Kony appeared preceded by men in robes sprinkling holy water.[10]

Many international attempts at peace[citation needed] and an end to the abduction of children by Kony and his Lord's Resistance Army occurred between 1996 and 2001.[citation needed] All of them failed to end the abductions, rape, child soldiers, and civilian casualties including attacks on refugee camps. After the September 11th attacks, the United States declared the Lord's Resistance Army a terrorist group.[11]

Joseph Kony was thought among followers and detractors alike to have been possessed by spirits; he has been portrayed as either the Messiah or the Devil. He reportedly made annual trips to the Ato Hills in Uganda. He would allegedly ascend to the highest of the hills and lie down in the hot sun for days. He would be covered by a blanket of red termites that slashed deeply into his skin. Oil from the Yao plant was spread over his body. Then he would enter a cave and stay in seclusion for weeks. Kony believes in the literal protection provided by a cross symbol and tells his child soldiers a cross on their chest drawn in oil would protect them from bullets.[6] Kony insists that he and the Lord's Resistance Army are fighting for the Ten Commandments. "Yes, we are fighting for Ten Commandments," "Is it bad? It is not against human rights. And that commandment was not given by Joseph. It was not given by LRA. No, those commandments were given by God."[12]

The Ugandan military has attempted to kill Kony for most of the insurgency. Uganda's latest attempt towards tracking down Kony has been to enlist the help of former LRA combatants to search remote areas of the Central African Republic, the Sudan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo where he was last seen.[13

Godfather.

Vitalogy Man wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.

it's western nations and corporations that keep africa in poverty ...

Oh, really? How is that?

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.

Vitalogy Man

redrock wrote:

Certainly some north african countries have oil - Egypt, Algeria and Libya. All three unstable countries/countries in conflict.

Other main oil producing countries: Angola, Nigeria, Sudan - major conflict there.

Cote d'Ivoire, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Ethiopia, Mali - gold/diamonds - conflict and unstable countries.

I could go on...

Add corruption and exploitation from large corporations and individuals and you have impoverished people and conflict takes hold.

Getting rid of this guy will not fix things. Unfortunately.

Interesting.

Which corporations, specifically, are exploiting the Africans?

I'd like to boycott them if you can tell me who.

Vitalogy Man

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.

Ohhhh. Man, I'm slow.

redrock

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Interesting.

Which corporations, specifically, are exploiting the Africans?

I'd like to boycott them if you can tell me who.

One of the first articles to come up with a quick google search was this one who explains a bit on how africans are exploited. Naturally this is just a quick overview, I'm sure there is much more informative and in depth articles out there! As I am sure there are some which will give you 'specifics'

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish ... 5661.shtml

Vitalogy Man

redrock wrote:

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Interesting.

Which corporations, specifically, are exploiting the Africans?

I'd like to boycott them if you can tell me who.

One of the first articles to come up with a quick google search was this one who explains a bit on how africans are exploited. Naturally this is just a quick overview, I'm sure there is much more informative and in depth articles out there!

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish ... 5661.shtml

Thanks, I'll check it out.

redrock

Godfather. wrote:

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.

Has anyone even mentioned the US in this thread? I think you may be the first one. Don't bring this thread down to a 'you're just bashing the US again' thread. It's too important of a subject.

redrock

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Bear in mind that exploitation is just part of it. Corruption is rife in those countries we are talking about here.

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.

it was not in jest ... far from it ...

i really don't feel like explaining third world poverty issues and the concept of economic imperialism ... let's just say if one looks at access to resources in developing countries - you will see that the control is largely with large multi-national corporations and in countries that they are not ... they are all subjected to the threats of war ... see Iran ...

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.

it was not in jest ... far from it ...

i really don't feel like explaining third world poverty issues and the concept of economic imperialism ... let's just say if one looks at access to resources in developing countries - you will see that the control is largely with large multi-national corporations and in countries that they are not ... they are all subjected to the threats of war ... see Iran ...

ooop's my mistake...carry on.


Godfather.

Vitalogy Man

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.

it was not in jest ... far from it ...

i really don't feel like explaining third world poverty issues and the concept of economic imperialism ... let's just say if one looks at access to resources in developing countries - you will see that the control is largely with large multi-national corporations and in countries that they are not ... they are all subjected to the threats of war ... see Iran ...

Can you please name specifically, the corporations that are exploiting Africa?

I'djust like to learn more about them- it seems like I'm the only one who doesn't know about it... So, which corporations are we talking about?

polaris_x

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Can you please name specifically, the corporations that are exploiting Africa?

I'djust like to learn more about them- it seems like I'm the only one who doesn't know about it... So, which corporations are we talking about?

there are many ... from Shell and the Ken Saro Wiwa travesty years ago in Nigeria, to mining companies like De Beers to Nestle ... etc ...

peacefrompaul

A theocracy based on the ten commandments...

God has sent spirits to Kony directly... :roll: Apparently God wants him to be violent about it too.

I truly feel sorry for those people.

Vitalogy Man

polaris_x wrote:

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Can you please name specifically, the corporations that are exploiting Africa?

I'djust like to learn more about them- it seems like I'm the only one who doesn't know about it... So, which corporations are we talking about?

there are many ... from Shell and the Ken Saro Wiwa travesty years ago in Nigeria, to mining companies like De Beers to Nestle ... etc ...

Ok.
Shell Oil.
Nestle.
DeBeers.

Those are companies who employ Africans in oil fields, cocoa plantations, and diamond mines.

But other than employing Aficans, how are they "exploiting" the Continent of Africa?

redrock

Vitalogy Man wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Vitalogy Man wrote:

Can you please name specifically, the corporations that are exploiting Africa?

I'djust like to learn more about them- it seems like I'm the only one who doesn't know about it... So, which corporations are we talking about?

there are many ... from Shell and the Ken Saro Wiwa travesty years ago in Nigeria, to mining companies like De Beers to Nestle ... etc ...

Ok.
Shell Oil.
Nestle.
DeBeers.

Those are companies who employ Africans in oil fields, cocoa plantations, and diamond mines.

But other than employing Aficans, how are they "exploiting" the Continent of Africa?

These aren't serious questions,are they? IF you had read the little article I linked to (short and not difficult to read), within the first couple of paragraghs you would have had an idea of what the 'exploitation' is.

Silly of me to take the bait...

Vitalogy Man

RedRocks-

I read it.

I found this interesting: "As it relates to available resources, Africa has surpassed the Middle East as the greatest supplier of oil to the United States responsible for 24 percent of the oil used here. Over 80 percent of the coltan used by companies like Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson and Sony for many of the world’s electronic devices such as cell phones, computers and DVD players comes from Africa. Additionally, 80 percent of the cobalt used in lithium ion batteries—a key component in the future development of green technology—including cars—comes from Africa."

And this:
In a recent column, Nicole C. Lee, executive director of TransAfrica Forum writes: “As a continent, Africa is still enslaved because of its vast wealth. The mining and extraction of precious materials—oil, natural gas, coltan and cobalt—enrich corporations but cast a shadow of poverty throughout the continent. Whether in the Niger Delta or the Democratic Republic of Congo, the people experience lives of misery and receive very little benefit from the richness of their land. This is known as the “resource curse”—the paradoxical relationship so many Africans have to the richness of Africa.”

Also this:
Firestone, who for over 82 years has run the world’s largest rubber operation in the world in a financially exploitative relationship using child labor to extract rubber from Liberia without paying proper taxes to the government.


Sounds like Africa should be the richest continent on the planet based on their available resources. The article accuses a handful of corporations, without evidence or specifics, of stealing the resources and not paying the proper taxes to the people.

But one thing about your source, not sure if you are aware- the colomn writers for the site you referenced are as follows:

Louis Farrakkhan
Elijah Muhammad
Jabril Muhammad
Tynnetta Muhammad

Sorry, but posting Louis Farrakkhan as a reliable source, is well.... you know.
And some people freak out at a Foxnews link...


Here's a broader question. In 10,000 years, no African country has developed their natural resources to export, at least without foreign assistance. Long before any corporation showed up.

So, is it REALLY the corporations, an 82 year old problem? What's wrong with Africa has alot more to do with why a guy like this evil Joseoph Kony takes power so easily over millions of people, than it does with Firestone paying taxes. Pay taxes to who? A corrupt government that enslaves it's OWN people.

That is the problem. Not Nestle- for God's sake- it's not the chocolate company that's kept Africa down for 10000000000000000000000000 years.

Drowned Out

This all becomes very chicken-or-the-egg.....But the question is this:
Does a corrupt government official or dictator have the right to sell off their nation's resources, or to agree to infrastructure/aid loans that cripple their nation for generations to come?

Because THAT is what happens in these places. Western corporations come in and find the right palm to grease, then claim they 'have a deal'....If they can't find a palm to grease, they find a way to put one of their people in a position of power. Western governments and media are complicit in this, it isn't just the resource/infrastructure corps.

It's been referenced here a million times, but Confessions of an Economic Hitman is a good book for anyone looking for a peak behind the globalist curtain.

Halifax2TheMax

Vitalogy Man wrote:

RedRocks-

I read it.

I found this interesting: "As it relates to available resources, Africa has surpassed the Middle East as the greatest supplier of oil to the United States responsible for 24 percent of the oil used here. Over 80 percent of the coltan used by companies like Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson and Sony for many of the world’s electronic devices such as cell phones, computers and DVD players comes from Africa. Additionally, 80 percent of the cobalt used in lithium ion batteries—a key component in the future development of green technology—including cars—comes from Africa."

And this:
In a recent column, Nicole C. Lee, executive director of TransAfrica Forum writes: “As a continent, Africa is still enslaved because of its vast wealth. The mining and extraction of precious materials—oil, natural gas, coltan and cobalt—enrich corporations but cast a shadow of poverty throughout the continent. Whether in the Niger Delta or the Democratic Republic of Congo, the people experience lives of misery and receive very little benefit from the richness of their land. This is known as the “resource curse”—the paradoxical relationship so many Africans have to the richness of Africa.”

Also this:
Firestone, who for over 82 years has run the world’s largest rubber operation in the world in a financially exploitative relationship using child labor to extract rubber from Liberia without paying proper taxes to the government.


Sounds like Africa should be the richest continent on the planet based on their available resources. The article accuses a handful of corporations, without evidence or specifics, of stealing the resources and not paying the proper taxes to the people.

But one thing about your source, not sure if you are aware- the colomn writers for the site you referenced are as follows:

Louis Farrakkhan
Elijah Muhammad
Jabril Muhammad
Tynnetta Muhammad

Sorry, but posting Louis Farrakkhan as a reliable source, is well.... you know.
And some people freak out at a Foxnews link...


Here's a broader question. In 10,000 years, no African country has developed their natural resources to export, at least without foreign assistance. Long before any corporation showed up.

So, is it REALLY the corporations, an 82 year old problem? What's wrong with Africa has alot more to do with why a guy like this evil Joseoph Kony takes power so easily over millions of people, than it does with Firestone paying taxes. Pay taxes to who? A corrupt government that enslaves it's OWN people.

That is the problem. Not Nestle- for God's sake- it's not the chocolate company that's kept Africa down for 10000000000000000000000000 years.

May I suggest to you that you read a People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn as a primer on how US and other multinational corporations exploit the countries on the African continent? But when you finish reading it, be sure to read the footnotes and annotated sources for truly understanding where the information came from and perhaps read those sources before determining whether they're biased sources of information. Then, when you're finished with it and before you come to a conclusion, may I suggest that you read A History of the CIA (sorry, I forgot the author's name), particularly the chapter(s) regarding South and Central America as well as the chapters on the Congo, Uganda and the conflict between Turkey and Greece, all of which is relevant to understanding who and why "corporations" exploit the nations of Africa. Seriously, it'll help you understand what is happening today if you have a sense of what has been happening for the past three hundred years or so.

Peace.