States that have most government workers

shadowcast

http://www.businessinsider.com/10-state ... sam-2010-6

Wow, these look like Tea-Party states if you ask me.

RW81233

So basically the Tea Partiers hate their boss? And then their solution is to fire their boss AND remove their own position...sounds about right.

blackredyellow

I'll have to find the data, but most of the states who receive more federal funds than they contribute, are red states as well.

Jason P

Holy crap, NY has a lot of state workers! If you combine the other nine states, NY still has a 257,000 lead.

shadowcast

Jason P wrote:

Holy crap, NY has a lot of state workers! If you combine the other nine states, NY still has a 257,000 lead.

Yes they do but it goes by population %

RW81233

Jason P wrote:

Holy crap, NY has a lot of state workers! If you combine the other nine states, NY still has a 257,000 lead.

having lived upstate for 21 of my first 22 years of life I can honestly say that state employment is what keeps that place going, and i'm guessing that's not counting lockheed martin.

RW81233

upstate new york is also known as being politically red as alabama with snow

blackredyellow

RW81233 wrote:

upstate new york is also known as being politically red as alabama with snow

I live there now, and I agree. Albany is a mix, because of the number of state workers/union employees, but the further out you get, the redder it gets.

Similar to NY, I grew up in western PA. James Carville summed PA up best with saying PA was “Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburgh on the other, with Alabama in the middle”. Some parts of central PA are as Appalachia as West Virginia.

Vitalogy Man

RW81233 wrote:

upstate new york is also known as being politically red as alabama with snow

Says the yankee who's never been....

mikepegg44

I had pretty much the greatest post of all time typed out and then it gave me that stupid log in message when I tried to post it, even though I was logged in...anyway this one below will have to do

many of these states are in the bottom of the population spectrum with the exception of new york
50 Wyoming
47 Alaska
36 New Mexico
31 Mississippi
48 North Dakota
37 West Virginia
33 Kansas
39 Idaho
3 New York
38 Nebraska

so wouldn't you think that if a state with a small population has a high percentage of public workers

(you know, these kinds of people as the article points out)
1. Local gov. elementary & secondary teachers
2. Local gov. secondary school teachers
3. State gov. postsecondary teachers
4. Local gov. teachers assistants
5. Local gov. police & sheriff's patrol officers
6. State gov. elementary & secondary teachers
7. Local gov. janitors & building cleaners
8. Local gov. secretaries, administrative assistants
9. Local gov. bus drivers
10. Local gov. fire fighters

those states "might" have a segment of the population that thinks the government is too large and spends too much money?...doesn't seem outlandish to me to feel that way if you lived in a low population / high percentage state...I don't know what this is supposed to expose...

oh wait...sorry...I got this thread off topic...republicans, tea partiers, neo-cons, and the religious zealots are all the exactly the same, all of them are hypocrites for wanting lower spending by the federal government...oh, don't forget all of the tea partiers and their sympathizers are racist too...glad I could get this back down the path I am sure it will go

shadowcast

mikepegg44 wrote:

Imany of these states are in the bottom of the population spectrum with the exception of new york
lived in a low population / high percentage state...I don't know what this is supposed to expose...

oh wait...sorry...I got this thread off topic...republicans, tea partiers, neo-cons, and the religious zealots are all the exactly the same, all of them are hypocrites for wanting lower spending by the federal government...oh, don't forget all of the tea partiers and their sympathizers are racist too...glad I could get this back down the path I am sure it will go

Yes they do have low populations but boy are they red. Just say'in....

Vitalogy Man

mikepegg44 wrote:

I had pretty much the greatest post of all time typed out and then it gave me that stupid log in message when I tried to post it, even though I was logged in...anyway this one below will have to do

many of these states are in the bottom of the population spectrum with the exception of new york
50 Wyoming
47 Alaska
36 New Mexico
31 Mississippi
48 North Dakota
37 West Virginia
33 Kansas
39 Idaho
3 New York
38 Nebraska

so wouldn't you think that if a state with a small population has a high percentage of public workers

(you know, these kinds of people as the article points out)
1. Local gov. elementary & secondary teachers
2. Local gov. secondary school teachers
3. State gov. postsecondary teachers
4. Local gov. teachers assistants
5. Local gov. police & sheriff's patrol officers
6. State gov. elementary & secondary teachers
7. Local gov. janitors & building cleaners
8. Local gov. secretaries, administrative assistants
9. Local gov. bus drivers
10. Local gov. fire fighters

those states "might" have a segment of the population that thinks the government is too large and spends too much money?...doesn't seem outlandish to me to feel that way if you lived in a low population / high percentage state...I don't know what this is supposed to expose...

oh wait...sorry...I got this thread off topic...republicans, tea partiers, neo-cons, and the religious zealots are all the exactly the same, all of them are hypocrites for wanting lower spending by the federal government...oh, don't forget all of the tea partiers and their sympathizers are racist too...glad I could get this back down the path I am sure it will go

Finally... somebody said it.

Thank you.

Vitalogy Man

shadowcast wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Imany of these states are in the bottom of the population spectrum with the exception of new york
lived in a low population / high percentage state...I don't know what this is supposed to expose...

oh wait...sorry...I got this thread off topic...republicans, tea partiers, neo-cons, and the religious zealots are all the exactly the same, all of them are hypocrites for wanting lower spending by the federal government...oh, don't forget all of the tea partiers and their sympathizers are racist too...glad I could get this back down the path I am sure it will go

Yes they do have low populations but boy are they red. Just say'in....

"Just sayin" a whole lot of nothin.

Guess your only point is what Mike Pegg described above...

shadowcast

Vitalogy Man wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Imany of these states are in the bottom of the population spectrum with the exception of new york
lived in a low population / high percentage state...I don't know what this is supposed to expose...

oh wait...sorry...I got this thread off topic...republicans, tea partiers, neo-cons, and the religious zealots are all the exactly the same, all of them are hypocrites for wanting lower spending by the federal government...oh, don't forget all of the tea partiers and their sympathizers are racist too...glad I could get this back down the path I am sure it will go

Yes they do have low populations but boy are they red. Just say'in....

"Just sayin" a whole lot of nothin.

Guess your only point is what Mike Pegg described above...

Not trying to "Expose" anything.
It is an interesting set of statistics, not what one would expect.

Go Beavers

Vitalogy Man wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I had pretty much the greatest post of all time typed out and then it gave me that stupid log in message when I tried to post it, even though I was logged in...anyway this one below will have to do

many of these states are in the bottom of the population spectrum with the exception of new york
50 Wyoming
47 Alaska
36 New Mexico
31 Mississippi
48 North Dakota
37 West Virginia
33 Kansas
39 Idaho
3 New York
38 Nebraska

so wouldn't you think that if a state with a small population has a high percentage of public workers

(you know, these kinds of people as the article points out)
1. Local gov. elementary & secondary teachers
2. Local gov. secondary school teachers
3. State gov. postsecondary teachers
4. Local gov. teachers assistants
5. Local gov. police & sheriff's patrol officers
6. State gov. elementary & secondary teachers
7. Local gov. janitors & building cleaners
8. Local gov. secretaries, administrative assistants
9. Local gov. bus drivers
10. Local gov. fire fighters

those states "might" have a segment of the population that thinks the government is too large and spends too much money?...doesn't seem outlandish to me to feel that way if you lived in a low population / high percentage state...I don't know what this is supposed to expose...

oh wait...sorry...I got this thread off topic...republicans, tea partiers, neo-cons, and the religious zealots are all the exactly the same, all of them are hypocrites for wanting lower spending by the federal government...oh, don't forget all of the tea partiers and their sympathizers are racist too...glad I could get this back down the path I am sure it will go

Finally... somebody said it.

Thank you.

You two don't see the hypocrisy? They "might" have a segment of the population that thinks the government is too large and spends too much money? They clearly do have a large chunk of population that buys into the whole 'government needs to get out the way and people need to get off handouts' agenda. Sarah Palin is a clear example of this hypocrisy. Alaska loves their handouts, don't they.

RW81233

Vitalogy Man wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

upstate new york is also known as being politically red as alabama with snow

Says the yankee who's never been....

to Alabama? sorry i've been to every state except Nebraska, Alaska, Oregon, Idaho, and Hawaii (and the middle two are gonna be done in two months time). so yes upstate NY is pretty similar to Alabama politically - there's just a lot more snow. also i don't quite get the rant? i'm pretty sure the original post was about the irony of how conservative/tea party members are in states with the most state employees in that it would seem to run counter to their ideologies. mike could you please clarify?

Jason P

In a way, it makes perfect sense that states in where the Tea Party is most active would have the most state workers. Just like it would make sense that states that have the most people fighting beach ordinance laws would also be coastal states. :ugeek:

However, I agree with Mike's theory on overall population. State infrastructures are similar. The base minimum for an infrastructure will skew things if the overall population is low.

RW81233

that's fair enough

mikepegg44

RW81233 wrote:

Vitalogy Man wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

upstate new york is also known as being politically red as alabama with snow

Says the yankee who's never been....

to Alabama? sorry i've been to every state except Nebraska, Alaska, Oregon, Idaho, and Hawaii (and the middle two are gonna be done in two months time). so yes upstate NY is pretty similar to Alabama politically - there's just a lot more snow. also i don't quite get the rant? i'm pretty sure the original post was about the irony of how conservative/tea party members are in states with the most state employees in that it would seem to run counter to their ideologies. mike could you please clarify?

rant? not sure I call it a rant.
what about it didn't you understand? it was more statistical analysis than simply saying the tea party is a bunch of hypocrites...

it isn't irony...my point was that it would make sense that the states that would have the most problem with government spending would be states where the government is a large employer.
and this isn't as simple as saying all those state workers are against themselves and hate their boss. that is a surface level analysis at best.
I also didn't see any analysis by anyone of why they support the republican party...remember that the republican philosophy is a form of GOVERNMENT not a form of anarchy...it isn't illegal to be a teacher, a policemen, a firemen and be a republican...it isn't hypocritical either.
I wrote this in another reply but it seems to apply here as well:
"tea party" has morphed into basically just a short hand way for the media to express a larger government philosophy that a lot of folks on the right share. It probably is supported by most fiscal conservatives...that doesn't mean that those fiscal conservatives aren't also social conservatives or neo-conservative war mongers or libertarians...for many, their tea party support doesn't define what is the most important issue to them...even though they "support" it...
this article shows me nothing about what it is like to live in those states or why the people of those states would consider themselves "red"...
that is the problem...people want to convince themselves that all republicans are hypocrites...well everyone is if you look hard enough...it isn't a monopoly on the right...so another article posted to prove that point just pushes my buttons...
but again I will ask, what about my analysis doesn't make sense?

RW81233

i just said fair enough to the person who explained it last night...

VINNY GOOMBA

What is considered "upstate" here? From ulster / ductchess counties down to the city, I'd say NY is easily more liberal than conservative, and that's got to be 75% of the population of the whole state.