We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share

WaveRyder

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. – Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994

marcos

I've always felt that the government doesn't understand how to properly manage and spend the money they do have. I have seen it first hand at the state and city levels.

WaveRyder

im not an extremist but i think people need to understand that the govt does use force to get ppl to pay "their fair share." If the left cant understand that. then there is no chance of compromising with the right.

marcos

As they say the only thing for sure are death & taxes. Perhaps the problem is the definition of fair share, that's where people get lost?

markin ball

marcos wrote:

I've always felt that the government doesn't understand how to properly manage and spend the money they do have. I have seen it first hand at the state and city levels.

Stop voting for people that mismanage the money. The problem is us. We get the government we deserve.

marcos

markin ball wrote:

marcos wrote:

I've always felt that the government doesn't understand how to properly manage and spend the money they do have. I have seen it first hand at the state and city levels.

Stop voting for people that mismanage the money. The problem is us. We get the government we deserve.

You're absolutely right that the problem is us. We never do anything to really shake up the system. I would further venture to say that the financial collapse is our fault. I've thought that he best way to recover is to realize we were part of the problem.

Out of My Mind and Time

That's it! Fuk this. Grabbed my board and I'm going surfing! We are fucked 360.

know1

Pay their fair share for WHAT?

I don't understand people continually calling for others to pay higher taxes. Let's get government spending under control and maybe people don't have to pay more.

Godfather.

know1 wrote:

Pay their fair share for WHAT?

I don't understand people continually calling for others to pay higher taxes. Let's get government spending under control and maybe people don't have to pay more.

:thumbup: we have a winner !!!!!


Godfather.

SweetChildofMine

Government spending starts with the biggest expense called the military complex. Not social services which you all bitch about (if the people are socially inept because of lack thereof or welfare abuse or whatever tickles your nuts to bitch about human services time ) and its preposterous.


I suggest if the corporate world wants us to use our military to secure their plunder they better f'ing pay for it. Im thinking some corporations owe "us" 3 trillion from the last "war" alone.

inmytree

WaveRyder wrote:

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. – Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994

fine...

let's do away with taxes...I'm sure that will cure all your ills...

peacefrompaul

SweetChildofMine wrote:

Government spending starts with the biggest expense called the military complex. Not social services which you all bitch about (if the people are socially inept because of lack thereof or welfare abuse or whatever tickles your nuts to bitch about human services time ) and its preposterous.


I suggest if the corporate world wants us to use our military to secure their plunder they better f'ing pay for it. Im thinking some corporations owe "us" 3 trillion from the last "war" alone.

Why would the corporations owe us money? They're just trying to make money. They aren't the ones directly sending our troops to war. Of course they could be lobbying, sure. What you need is a guy that doesn't listen to them.

peacefrompaul

inmytree wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. – Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994

fine...

let's do away with taxes...I'm sure that will cure all your ills...

Perhaps not, but maybe people will actually have more money to spend.

inmytree

peacefrompaul wrote:

inmytree wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. – Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994

fine...

let's do away with taxes...I'm sure that will cure all your ills...

Perhaps not, but maybe people will actually have more money to spend.

good point...perhaps police and fire services can go to a fee for service model...no money no service...

SweetChildofMine

peacefrompaul wrote:

SweetChildofMine wrote:

Government spending starts with the biggest expense called the military complex. Not social services which you all bitch about (if the people are socially inept because of lack thereof or welfare abuse or whatever tickles your nuts to bitch about human services time ) and its preposterous.


I suggest if the corporate world wants us to use our military to secure their plunder they better f'ing pay for it. Im thinking some corporations owe "us" 3 trillion from the last "war" alone.

Why would the corporations owe us money? They're just trying to make money. They aren't the ones directly sending our troops to war. Of course they could be lobbying, sure. What you need is a guy that doesn't listen to them.

Its all about the corporations. They are the biggest profiteers off the government dollar. Our share as average Joe taxpayer is larger than corporations but who reaps the benefits and doesnt pay their fair share? Then any policy we make has to do with "them" not "us" as little Joe Citizen. Believe me.

Go Beavers

WaveRyder wrote:

im not an extremist but i think people need to understand that the govt does use force to get ppl to pay "their fair share." If the left cant understand that. then there is no chance of compromising with the right.

I think nearly everyone, left and right, understand that not paying taxes is illegal and you can go to jail as a result. People want to use the word 'steal' in relation to taxes, which to me makes it seem like you're going to go around feeling like a victim. For myself, I see taxes as necessary to function and focus frustration about it on particular spending I don't agree with.

Vitalogy Man

WaveRyder wrote:

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. – Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994

It warms my heart to see THOMAS SOWELL quoted on the Train.


There is hope for the future...

mikepegg44

SweetChildofMine wrote:

Government spending starts with the biggest expense called the military complex. Not social services which you all bitch about (if the people are socially inept because of lack thereof or welfare abuse or whatever tickles your nuts to bitch about human services time ) and its preposterous.


I suggest if the corporate world wants us to use our military to secure their plunder they better f'ing pay for it. Im thinking some corporations owe "us" 3 trillion from the last "war" alone.

If I am not mistaken, isn't there ~60% in "social program" spending in the budget at the federal level...just saying...I may not fully understand how the budget works, but that seems like the lions share. If we spent nothing on dept of defense spending last year I think we would still have run a deficit.

I agree the military industrial complex is a problem however...there is a reason we were warned about it by an outgoing president. Money spent on active military campaigns needs to be stopped...

inmytree

Vitalogy Man wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. – Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994

It warms my heart to see THOMAS SOWELL quoted on the Train.


There is hope for the future...

yeah, cuz were all doooooomed...dooooooomed unless we embrace THOMAS SOWELL into our hearts....

peacefrompaul

SweetChildofMine wrote:

Then any policy we make has to do with "them" not "us" as little Joe Citizen. Believe me.

Yeah I know what you mean there. And why is that? Because they lobby our politicians.

inmytree

Go Beavers wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

im not an extremist but i think people need to understand that the govt does use force to get ppl to pay "their fair share." If the left cant understand that. then there is no chance of compromising with the right.

I think nearly everyone, left and right, understand that not paying taxes is illegal and you can go to jail as a result. People want to use the word 'steal' in relation to taxes, which to me makes it seem like you're going to go around feeling like a victim. For myself, I see taxes as necessary to function and focus frustration about it on particular spending I don't agree with.

exactly...

mikepegg44

inmytree wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

inmytree wrote:

fine...

let's do away with taxes...I'm sure that will cure all your ills...

Perhaps not, but maybe people will actually have more money to spend.

good point...perhaps police and fire services can go to a fee for service model...no money no service...

Let's not jump from the federal level to the state level as if they are interchangeable when we talk about taxes...A sliver of the federal budget is spent on state and local policing and fire services...
I would much rather pay for local and state level police and fire services than have federal tax dollars from Minneapolis tax payers spent on Detroit cops...but that is just me. I would rather my money go to my community. Selfish? probably. Not wanting to finance an ever growing behemoth and awesome departments like Homeland security? absolutely...We have a CIA, an FBI, an NSA...it goes on and on...but thankfully they have an armored vehicle with a turret in Fargo paid for with grant money from DHS...

Federal personal income taxes are not necessary to survive as a country. But they aren't going anywhere...

I really wish they would have to pay me interest on the money they withhold from me every year in excess of my tax liability.

inmytree

mikepegg44 wrote:

Let's not jump from the federal level to the state level as if they are interchangeable when we talk about taxes...A sliver of the federal budget is spent on state and local policing and fire services...
I would much rather pay for local and state level police and fire services than have federal tax dollars from Minneapolis tax payers spent on Detroit cops...but that is just me. I would rather my money go to my community. Selfish? probably. Not wanting to finance an ever growing behemoth and awesome departments like Homeland security? absolutely...We have a CIA, an FBI, an NSA...it goes on and on...but thankfully they have an armored vehicle with a turret in Fargo paid for with grant money from DHS...

Federal personal income taxes are not necessary to survive as a country. But they aren't going anywhere...

I really wish they would have to pay me interest on the money they withhold from me every year in excess of my tax liability.

fine...get rid of federal income taxes ...I'm sure nothing negative will come out of that...

I guess the federal funds received by the states can be made up elsewhere...

mikepegg44

inmytree wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Let's not jump from the federal level to the state level as if they are interchangeable when we talk about taxes...A sliver of the federal budget is spent on state and local policing and fire services...
I would much rather pay for local and state level police and fire services than have federal tax dollars from Minneapolis tax payers spent on Detroit cops...but that is just me. I would rather my money go to my community. Selfish? probably. Not wanting to finance an ever growing behemoth and awesome departments like Homeland security? absolutely...We have a CIA, an FBI, an NSA...it goes on and on...but thankfully they have an armored vehicle with a turret in Fargo paid for with grant money from DHS...

Federal personal income taxes are not necessary to survive as a country. But they aren't going anywhere...

I really wish they would have to pay me interest on the money they withhold from me every year in excess of my tax liability.

fine...get rid of federal taxes income...I'm sure nothing negative will come out of that...

I guess the federal funds received by the states can be made up elsewhere...

yep

Go Beavers

inmytree wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Let's not jump from the federal level to the state level as if they are interchangeable when we talk about taxes...A sliver of the federal budget is spent on state and local policing and fire services...
I would much rather pay for local and state level police and fire services than have federal tax dollars from Minneapolis tax payers spent on Detroit cops...but that is just me. I would rather my money go to my community. Selfish? probably. Not wanting to finance an ever growing behemoth and awesome departments like Homeland security? absolutely...We have a CIA, an FBI, an NSA...it goes on and on...but thankfully they have an armored vehicle with a turret in Fargo paid for with grant money from DHS...

Federal personal income taxes are not necessary to survive as a country. But they aren't going anywhere...

I really wish they would have to pay me interest on the money they withhold from me every year in excess of my tax liability.

fine...get rid of federal income taxes ...I'm sure nothing negative will come out of that...

I guess the federal funds received by the states can be made up elsewhere...

I know, all those red states would be screwed.

Go Beavers

mikepegg44 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

fine...get rid of federal taxes income...I'm sure nothing negative will come out of that...

I guess the federal funds received by the states can be made up elsewhere...

yep

Do tell....

mikepegg44

Go Beavers wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

fine...get rid of federal taxes income...I'm sure nothing negative will come out of that...

I guess the federal funds received by the states can be made up elsewhere...

yep

Do tell....

Higher local and state taxes

Edit

As well as spending cuts on non-essential services...but that would all be hashed out at the STATE and LOCAL level

inmytree

mikepegg44 wrote:

Higher local and state taxes

Edit

As well as spending cuts on non-essential services...but that would all be hashed out at the STATE and LOCAL level

define "non-essential" please...

Jason P

inmytree wrote:

define "non-essential" please...

That's pretty easy. Whenever the government has "shutdown" in the past, they still provide the essential services. Anyone sitting on their bum at home during a shutdown are non-essential in the government's eyes.

inmytree

Jason P wrote:

inmytree wrote:

define "non-essential" please...

That's pretty easy. Whenever the government has "shutdown" in the past, they still provide the essential services. Anyone sitting on their bum at home during a shutdown are non-essential in the government's eyes.

since it's so easy, could you be more specific on what is non-essential...