I'd just as soon have an ATHEIST candidate...

Wobbie

....who could tell the religious right to go fuck themselves. Hey, believe whatever you want but don't try to force it on everyone by holding these candidates hostage for your votes. And even worse, the candidates all fall in line because god forbid we could be moderate on these so called "social issues." They question each other's "faith" and want to somehow legislate "family values." What a crock of shit. None of that shit is going to create jobs or create security or bring back the american dream.

I'm not even convinced most of the candidates are any more than "photo op churchgoers." I think, early on in politics, you learn you gotta go to church. So you photo op it even though you're an adulterer (clinton, JFK, Newt) or a liar and murderer (GWB). Or........you truly believe, like Mitt, and buy into some incredible story about golden plates; you listen to a Quorum of 12 who you actually think talks to god and your religion goes around baptizing holocaust victims just in case they might prefer the celestial kingdom over Jewish heaven.

Most americans have an uneasy feeling about radical muslims, or radical jews or radical catholics (etc), yet here we are being influenced by the so-called religious right....a group that is neither religious or right. It sucks.

Electric_Delta

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

Wobbie

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

I don't want anarchy.....I'm just more of a personal choice guy....you want to go to church; fine...you don't want to; fine again. My point is that the so-called religious right holds our government hostage over shit that really doesn't need to be legislated. They only THINK we could ever legislate morals, sexual conduct, etc. Whatever happened to the separation of church and state??

Wobbie

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

fuck....name ONE!

haffajappa

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

healthcare





SOCIALIST!

Wobbie

haffajappa wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

healthcare





SOCIALIST!

that's not religious.

you might want to back off the moving train, Steph....it's not safe here. :?

gimmesometruth27

haffajappa wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

healthcare





SOCIALIST!

haha nice.

welcome back haffajappa!

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

So if I don't throw three things at you, the fact he's Christophobic is nullified?

I'm not sure if you've been watching the news lately: http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... _mandate_/

I've got a question for you...where in the US Constitution does it state this is legal?

Electric_Delta

haffajappa wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

healthcare





SOCIALIST!

Chris Matthews? Is that you?

Vitalogy Man

imalive wrote:

....who could tell the religious right to go fuck themselves. Hey, believe whatever you want but don't try to force it on everyone by holding these candidates hostage for your votes. And even worse, the candidates all fall in line because god forbid we could be moderate on these so called "social issues." They question each other's "faith" and want to somehow legislate "family values." What a crock of shit. None of that shit is going to create jobs or create security or bring back the american dream.

I'm not even convinced most of the candidates are any more than "photo op churchgoers." I think, early on in politics, you learn you gotta go to church. So you photo op it even though you're an adulterer (clinton, JFK, Newt) or a liar and murderer (GWB). Or........you truly believe, like Mitt, and buy into some incredible story about golden plates; you listen to a Quorum of 12 who you actually think talks to god and your religion goes around baptizing holocaust victims just in case they might prefer the celestial kingdom over Jewish heaven.

Most americans have an uneasy feeling about radical muslims, or radical jews or radical catholics (etc), yet here we are being influenced by the so-called religious right....a group that is neither religious or right. It sucks.

No, you suck. I can see that from your avatar.

Wow- you managed to insult people of every major faith- like 90% of the world- all in one paragraph.

As usual, the most intolerant and hateful commentary is reserved for Christians, but you managed to hate on Jews, Mormons, and Muslims also...

Another pothead internet philosopher, telling Christians to go "fuck themselves".

What a great thread. Thanks so much.

haffajappa

imalive wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

healthcare





SOCIALIST!

that's not religious.

you might want to back off the moving train, Steph....it's not safe here. :?

Ok well... If you think about it.
Healthcare is socialism, socialist heavyweights saw religion as oppression, ergo... Healthcare is infringing on your religious freedoms.

Electric_Delta

quote]

that's not religious.

you might want to back off the moving train, Steph....it's not safe here. :?[/quote]
Ok well... If you think about it.
Healthcare is socialism, socialist heavyweights saw religion as oppression, ergo... Healthcare is infringing on your religious freedoms. [/quote]


Well, either way, forcing abortifacients on religious institutions is as about as imposing as anything.

haffajappa

Electric_Delta wrote:

Well, either way, forcing abortifacients on religious institutions is as about as imposing as anything.

Yeah next thing you know America will become like all us other socialist countries killing all our babies and euthanizing 10% of the population.

FiveB247x

The fact that people find it so necessary to either elaborate or talk about their religion and false sense of morality more so than actual policies and addressing problems our nation faces is proof positive how our system and the representatives running for elections are already failures before they get to office. It's a failure of the voters who buy into it and a failure of the candidates to talk about it.

Wobbie

Vitalogy Man wrote:

No, you suck. I can see that from your avatar.

Wow- you managed to insult people of every major faith- like 90% of the world- all in one paragraph.

As usual, the most intolerant and hateful commentary is reserved for Christians, but you managed to hate on Jews, Mormons, and Muslims also...

Another pothead internet philosopher, telling Christians to go "fuck themselves".

What a great thread. Thanks so much.

that's not me in the avatar. it was actually a pretty famous picture from a few years back. whatever.

I'm not saying "fuck religion" even though I'm a non believer myself. I'm saying fuck the religious right, who might tell you they are all about tolerance, when in actuality they are very INtolerant. My point was that, for me, religion and politics shouldn't mix (especially in our very diverse country) and it's a shame (in my opinion) that our policy makers have become so beholden to a group they can't seem to say "no" to.

P.S. I don't hate on all the groups you mentioned but I do think ALL religion is whack and is very much at the root of a great many of the world's problems. And I certainly didn't tell Christians, as a whole, to go fuck themselves.

haffajappa

FiveB247x wrote:

The fact that people find it so necessary to either elaborate or talk about their religion and false sense of morality more so than actual policies and addressing problems our nation faces is proof positive how our system and the representatives running for elections are already failures before they get to office. It's a failure of the voters who buy into it and a failure of the candidates to talk about it.

Anyways.
It really is a joke that this is what the campaigning has been about.
And yet it's happening... It's so bizarre, in my opinion.

Godfather.

imalive wrote:

....who could tell the religious right to go fuck themselves. Hey, believe whatever you want but don't try to force it on everyone by holding these candidates hostage for your votes. And even worse, the candidates all fall in line because god forbid we could be moderate on these so called "social issues." They question each other's "faith" and want to somehow legislate "family values." What a crock of shit. None of that shit is going to create jobs or create security or bring back the american dream.

I'm not even convinced most of the candidates are any more than "photo op churchgoers." I think, early on in politics, you learn you gotta go to church. So you photo op it even though you're an adulterer (clinton, JFK, Newt) or a liar and murderer (GWB). Or........you truly believe, like Mitt, and buy into some incredible story about golden plates; you listen to a Quorum of 12 who you actually think talks to god and your religion goes around baptizing holocaust victims just in case they might prefer the celestial kingdom over Jewish heaven.

Most americans have an uneasy feeling about radical muslims, or radical jews or radical catholics (etc), yet here we are being influenced by the so-called religious right....a group that is neither religious or right. It sucks.

is that picture of you sucking on a bong in your avatar ?...nuff said. sorry couldn't hold that one in

Godfather.

Wobbie

Godfather. wrote:

is that picture of you sucking on a bong in your avatar ?...nuff said.

Godfather.

WHERE HAVE YOU PEOPLE BEEN????? IT'S NOT MY PICTURE!!!

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You shouldn't be complaining. We actually HAVE a president who completely disregards religious liberty.

Also, I can't think of a time in our history where the government was more "moderate" in it's approach to social policy. What would you prefer? Complete anarchy?

please name 3 things he has done to infringe on your religious liberty and how he has disregarded religious liberty in general.

So if I don't throw three things at you, the fact he's Christophobic is nullified?

I'm not sure if you've been watching the news lately: http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... _mandate_/

I've got a question for you...where in the US Constitution does it state this is legal?

how the fuck can a christian be Christophobic??

that is too funny.

you might want to go back a few pages on the train because we have already debated that topic.

my original post was going to ask you to exclude this most recent example, so consider that a softball that i tossed you.

where are the other examples of obama stifling your religious freedom and or liberty?

Wilds

Godfather. wrote:

imalive wrote:

....who could tell the religious right to go fuck themselves. Hey, believe whatever you want but don't try to force it on everyone by holding these candidates hostage for your votes. And even worse, the candidates all fall in line because god forbid we could be moderate on these so called "social issues." They question each other's "faith" and want to somehow legislate "family values." What a crock of shit. None of that shit is going to create jobs or create security or bring back the american dream.

I'm not even convinced most of the candidates are any more than "photo op churchgoers." I think, early on in politics, you learn you gotta go to church. So you photo op it even though you're an adulterer (clinton, JFK, Newt) or a liar and murderer (GWB). Or........you truly believe, like Mitt, and buy into some incredible story about golden plates; you listen to a Quorum of 12 who you actually think talks to god and your religion goes around baptizing holocaust victims just in case they might prefer the celestial kingdom over Jewish heaven.

Most americans have an uneasy feeling about radical muslims, or radical jews or radical catholics (etc), yet here we are being influenced by the so-called religious right....a group that is neither religious or right. It sucks.

is that picture of you sucking on a bong in your avatar ?...nuff said. sorry couldn't hold that one in

Godfather.

It's Michael Phelps Olympic swimmer.

Guess you gotta say more.


Scratch that enough said, please don't.

gimmesometruth27

haffajappa wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

The fact that people find it so necessary to either elaborate or talk about their religion and false sense of morality more so than actual policies and addressing problems our nation faces is proof positive how our system and the representatives running for elections are already failures before they get to office. It's a failure of the voters who buy into it and a failure of the candidates to talk about it.

Anyways.
It really is a joke that this is what the campaigning has been about.
And yet it's happening... It's so bizarre, in my opinion.

because gay sex is not about fixing the economy or creating jobs, as he should be talking about. he is just making this an issue because he thinks it is gross...

Wilds

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how the fuck can a christian be Christophobic??

that is too funny.

you might want to go back a few pages on the train because we have already debated that topic.

my original post was going to ask you to exclude this most recent example, so consider that a softball that i tossed you.

where are the other examples of obama stifling your religious freedom and or liberty?

The proof is he's a secret Muslim.







Sarcasm.

haffajappa

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

because gay sex is not about fixing the economy or creating jobs, as he should be talking about. he is just making this an issue because he thinks it is gross...

Well yes I understand that.
What I don't understand is that people are letting it happen. Isn't he in the lead? (Forgive me, I have been crazy busy lately and haven't been following)

Kat

The OP set this topic off on the wrong foot by telling the religious to go F themselves. This thread is closed. Any topic has to be respectful from the get-go even if you don't agree with a group.