Indian tribe sues alcohol companies

WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
edited February 2012 in A Moving Train
http://www.argusleader.com/article/2012 ... /302090048

This just shows how delusional some of these tribe leaders are and how they refuse take responsibility for themselves or their tribes.


it also shows that prohibition never works. Legalize it :geek:
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,191
    WaveRyder wrote:
    http://www.argusleader.com/article/20120209/UPDATES/302090048

    This just shows how delusional some of these tribe leaders are and how they refuse take responsibility for themselves or their tribes.


    it also shows that prohibition never works. Legalize it :geek:

    I wouldn't say delusional. The concept of 'responsibility' isn't always so black and white.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    As someone posted in the AET thread of this topic, if the tribe is successful, can gambling addicts sue Indian casinos based on the same concept? The reservation has a ban on alcohol. So if a state has a ban on gambling and a gambling addict who is a resident goes to a reservation where it is legal ...

    :think:
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    Jason P wrote:
    As someone posted in the AET thread of this topic, if the tribe is successful, can gambling addicts sue Indian casinos based on the same concept? The reservation has a ban on alcohol. So if a state has a ban on gambling and a gambling addict who is a resident goes to a reservation where it is legal ...

    :think:

    i think my head just exploded.
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  • Jason P wrote:
    As someone posted in the AET thread of this topic, if the tribe is successful, can gambling addicts sue Indian casinos based on the same concept? The reservation has a ban on alcohol. So if a state has a ban on gambling and a gambling addict who is a resident goes to a reservation where it is legal ...

    :think:

    That was me. I also wonder if the tribe understands that its lawsuit is perpetuating a stereotype and that they are complaining that the stores didn't discriminate against them based on that stereotype. If the alcohol companies had refused to supply the stores or the stores had refused to sell to even one member of the tribe based on that, the tribe would have been protesting and suing over that instead.
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    everything west of the mississippi

    if you think about it, though, reservations are considered sovereign nations, so if say canada legalized meth and us citizens kept coming up buying it, would canada have any responsibility knowing they are selling them a product that will be illegal once they cross the border? not takling about tourists but if these stores and manufacturers knew that american was just going to turn around and take all that meth back into the states.

    i bet their counties don't have a problem taking the millions of dollars most tribes are blackmailed into giving all it's surrounding counties for roads and schools.

    i found this an interesting line in the article, though:
    The beer makers supplied the stores with “volumes of beer far in excess of an amount that could be sold in compliance with the laws of the state of Nebraska”

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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Jason P wrote:
    As someone posted in the AET thread of this topic, if the tribe is successful, can gambling addicts sue Indian casinos based on the same concept? The reservation has a ban on alcohol. So if a state has a ban on gambling and a gambling addict who is a resident goes to a reservation where it is legal ...

    :think:

    That was me. I also wonder if the tribe understands that its lawsuit is perpetuating a stereotype and that they are complaining that the stores didn't discriminate against them based on that stereotype. If the alcohol companies had refused to supply the stores or the stores had refused to sell to even one member of the tribe based on that, the tribe would have been protesting and suing over that instead.


    maybe or maybe not, good thing you can see into the future. alcohol is illegal there. we'er not talking about a native going into a restaurant and being served a beer, we're talking about them buying in quantity when the stores and beer manufacturers know they are helping them violate their laws. so, i can buy a kid a carton of cigarettes and ignore the law says you have to be 18, right?

    let's say i lived in belgium where the age limit for beer is 16 and for liquor it's 18.....you all are saying i can come over here and buy every 16 year old that asks cases of beer and every 18 year old all the liquor they want and none of it is my fault? or would you want me to respect your laws?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    and let's look at it from an opposite - say this reservation legalized the manufacture and sale of meth and heroin, you all would be totally cool with kids buying it and bringing it back? the reservation would have no responsibility, right?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    let's say i lived in belgium where the age limit for beer is 16 and for liquor it's 18.....you all are saying i can come over here and buy every 16 year old that asks cases of beer and every 18 year old all the liquor they want and none of it is my fault? or would you want me to respect your laws?


    You should be held responsible...not the people you bought the alcohol from.
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  • It's not kids buying the alcohol. the legal drinking age is 21. Adults are buying the alcohol and bringing it back to the reservation. The stores and alcohol companies are abiding by the laws of the state and nation. The tribe members bringing contraband to the reservation are the ones breaking the law and they are adults making the decision to do so.
    and let's look at it from an opposite - say this reservation legalized the manufacture and sale of meth and heroin, you all would be totally cool with kids buying it and bringing it back? the reservation would have no responsibility, right?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    and let's look at it from an opposite - say this reservation legalized the manufacture and sale of meth and heroin, you all would be totally cool with kids buying it and bringing it back? the reservation would have no responsibility, right?
    If you bought meth that was being manufactured by Coors on the Indian Reservation (which would be legal) and then took it into the states to sell it illegally, you would be responsible.

    Based on your logic, the reservation is failing at policing their sovereign nation from illegal bootleggers.
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