Reality?
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Reality according to Karl Rove:
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He [Rove] cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). "Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush." The New York Times Magazine.
Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics. p. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."
"All politicians operate within an Orwellian nimbus where words don't mean what they normally mean, but Rovism posits that there is no objective, verifiable reality at all. Reality is what you say it is, ..."
Neal Gabler, Los Angeles Times; October 25, 2004 [4]
So, what does that say about us? Those who sit back, do nothing, and "study" history and the new reality(ies)?
What does that say about people trapped within the left/right, dem/rep, lib/cons binaries where we choose sides like we choose our favorites sports teams? Where we ravenously defend "our team"? Where we foam at the mouths in conflict, a conflict that, in essence, is a conversation that regresses into a pathetic defense of our ego?
Are we imprisoned in our own egos? (Yes)
What is the price to be paid for this imprisonment?
In a way, we are all born into prisons: religious, ideological, philosophical. "The spot on the globe dictates my beliefs: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=182289. And, I am "right" in my beliefs because of where I was born, what family I was born into. Ego. Ignorance.
Concerning the idea that we are all born into prisons, I feel that there are 4 types of people:
1. Those who see the bars, who see the cell, and fight their whole lives to break free. Ultimately they do--through education, through a thirst for knowledge, through critical thinking and an ability to detach from prescribed modes of thinking. They break free and enter the abyss, where meaning ceases to exist. (What is meaning?)
2. There are those who see the bars and who see the cell they are confined within, and, despite a long, arduous attempt to break free, they simply cannot. Once they realize this, death is right around the corner.
3. There are those who see the bars, who see the cell and are resigned to be imprisoned, and who are happy with their daily rations of Soma--TV, materialistic and consumeristic pursuits, a belief and reliance on mythology, a lobotomized acceptance of "life."
4. There are those who are too dumb and too blind to even see the bars, to even see the cell that surrounds them. They live like zombies.
Who are you? Who you are.
And a good day to all.
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He [Rove] cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). "Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush." The New York Times Magazine.
Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics. p. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."
"All politicians operate within an Orwellian nimbus where words don't mean what they normally mean, but Rovism posits that there is no objective, verifiable reality at all. Reality is what you say it is, ..."
Neal Gabler, Los Angeles Times; October 25, 2004 [4]
So, what does that say about us? Those who sit back, do nothing, and "study" history and the new reality(ies)?
What does that say about people trapped within the left/right, dem/rep, lib/cons binaries where we choose sides like we choose our favorites sports teams? Where we ravenously defend "our team"? Where we foam at the mouths in conflict, a conflict that, in essence, is a conversation that regresses into a pathetic defense of our ego?
Are we imprisoned in our own egos? (Yes)
What is the price to be paid for this imprisonment?
In a way, we are all born into prisons: religious, ideological, philosophical. "The spot on the globe dictates my beliefs: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=182289. And, I am "right" in my beliefs because of where I was born, what family I was born into. Ego. Ignorance.
Concerning the idea that we are all born into prisons, I feel that there are 4 types of people:
1. Those who see the bars, who see the cell, and fight their whole lives to break free. Ultimately they do--through education, through a thirst for knowledge, through critical thinking and an ability to detach from prescribed modes of thinking. They break free and enter the abyss, where meaning ceases to exist. (What is meaning?)
2. There are those who see the bars and who see the cell they are confined within, and, despite a long, arduous attempt to break free, they simply cannot. Once they realize this, death is right around the corner.
3. There are those who see the bars, who see the cell and are resigned to be imprisoned, and who are happy with their daily rations of Soma--TV, materialistic and consumeristic pursuits, a belief and reliance on mythology, a lobotomized acceptance of "life."
4. There are those who are too dumb and too blind to even see the bars, to even see the cell that surrounds them. They live like zombies.
Who are you? Who you are.
And a good day to all.
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Im just waiting to wake up in my pod and get shot down the tube.
Apologies for the negative post...but I am an avowed pessimist, and I have no problem with it.
Pessimism urges you to focus on the negative and on what is going wrong. if you do this you might be propelled to change the negatives. if you don''t, then pessimism punishes you--with inaction, you still focus on the negative.
'puddle full of detrimental'
no one drowns alone
positive is the raft that saves ... it works like a miracle
Hey isn't there some rock and roll band make an album about that?
I lost touch with reality
now my personality
is an unwanted commodity
By your definitions of folks, can you see how anyone that is a number 1 or 2 will be completely ignored and laughed at by numbers 3 and 4 (and sadly there are more of them).
— Socrates
Plato's "Allegory of the Cave":
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html
Plato, The Allegory of the Cave
The son of a wealthy and noble family, Plato (427-347 B.C.) was preparing for a career in politics when the trial and eventual execution of Socrates (399 B.C.) changed the course of his life. He abandoned his political career and turned to philosophy, opening a school on the outskirts of Athens dedicated to the Socratic search for wisdom. Plato's school, then known as the Academy, was the first university in western history and operated from 387 B.C. until A.D. 529, when it was closed by Justinian.
Unlike his mentor Socrates, Plato was both a writer and a teacher. His writings are in the form of dialogues, with Socrates as the principal speaker. In the Allegory of the Cave, Plato described symbolically the predicament in which mankind finds itself and proposes a way of salvation. The Allegory presents, in brief form, most of Plato's major philosophical assumptions: his belief that the world revealed by our senses is not the real world but only a poor copy of it, and that the real world can only be apprehended intellectually; his idea that knowledge cannot be transferred from teacher to student, but rather that education consists in directing student's minds toward what is real and important and allowing them to apprehend it for themselves; his faith that the universe ultimately is good; his conviction that enlightened individuals have an obligation to the rest of society, and that a good society must be one in which the truly wise (the Philosopher-King) are the rulers.
The Allegory of the Cave can be found in Book VII of Plato's best-known work, The Republic, a lengthy dialogue on the nature of justice. Often regarded as a utopian blueprint, The Republic is dedicated toward a discussion of the education required of a Philosopher-King.
The following selection is taken from the Benjamin Jowett translation (Vintage, 1991), pp. 253-261. As you read the Allegory, try to make a mental picture of the cave Plato describes. Better yet, why not draw a picture of it and refer to it as you read the selection. In many ways, understanding Plato's Allegory of the Cave will make your foray into the world of philosophical thought much less burdensome.
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[Socrates] And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened: --Behold! human beings living in a underground cave, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the cave; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets.
[Glaucon] I see.
[Socrates] And do you see, I said, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking, others silent.
[Glaucon] You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.
[Socrates] Like ourselves, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the cave?
[Glaucon] True, he said; how could they see anything but the shadows if they were never allowed to move their heads?
[Socrates] And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would only see the shadows?
[Glaucon] Yes, he said.
[Socrates] And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not suppose that they were naming what was actually before them?
[Glaucon] Very true.
[Socrates] And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the other side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by spoke that the voice which they heard came from the passing shadow?
[Glaucon] No question, he replied.
[Socrates] To them, I said, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of the images.
[Glaucon] That is certain.
[Socrates] And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real existence, he has a clearer vision, -what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them, -will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?
[Glaucon] Far truer.
[Socrates] And if he is compelled to look straight at the light, will he not have a pain in his eyes which will make him turn away to take and take in the objects of vision which he can see, and which he will conceive to be in reality clearer than the things which are now being shown to him?
[Glaucon] True, he now.
[Socrates] And suppose once more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and rugged ascent, and held fast until he 's forced into the presence of the sun himself, is he not likely to be pained and irritated? When he approaches the light his eyes will be dazzled, and he will not be able to see anything at all of what are now called realities.
[Glaucon] Not all in a moment, he said.
[Socrates] He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the upper world. And first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and other objects in the water, and then the objects themselves; then he will gaze upon the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; and he will see the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light of the sun by day?
[Glaucon] Certainly.
[Socrates] Last of he will be able to see the sun, and not mere reflections of him in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in another; and he will contemplate him as he is.
[Glaucon] Certainly.
[Socrates] He will then proceed to argue that this is he who gives the season and the years, and is the guardian of all that is in the visible world, and in a certain way the cause of all things which he and his fellows have been accustomed to behold?
[Glaucon] Clearly, he said, he would first see the sun and then reason about him.
[Socrates] And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the cave and his fellow-prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on the change, and pity them?
[Glaucon] Certainly, he would.
[Socrates] And if they were in the habit of conferring honors among themselves on those who were quickest to observe the passing shadows and to remark which of them went before, and which followed after, and which were together; and who were therefore best able to draw conclusions as to the future, do you think that he would care for such honors and glories, or envy the possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer,
Better to be the poor servant of a poor master,
and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their manner?
[Glaucon] Yes, he said, I think that he would rather suffer anything than entertain these false notions and live in this miserable manner.
[Socrates] Imagine once more, I said, such an one coming suddenly out of the sun to be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes full of darkness?
[Glaucon] To be sure, he said.
[Socrates] And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the cave, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable) would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death.
[Glaucon] No question, he said.
[Socrates] This entire allegory, I said, you may now append, dear Glaucon, to the previous argument; the prison-house is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world according to my poor belief, which, at your desire, I have expressed whether rightly or wrongly God knows. But, whether true or false, my opinion is that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and is seen only with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of reason and truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would act rationally, either in public or private life must have his eye fixed.
[Glaucon] I agree, he said, as far as I am able to understand you.
[Socrates] Moreover, I said, you must not wonder that those who attain to this beatific vision are unwilling to descend to human affairs; for their souls are ever hastening into the upper world where they desire to dwell; which desire of theirs is very natural, if our allegory may be trusted.
[Glaucon] Yes, very natural.
[Socrates] And is there anything surprising in one who passes from divine contemplations to the evil state of man, misbehaving himself in a ridiculous manner; if, while his eyes are blinking and before he has become accustomed to the surrounding darkness, he is compelled to fight in courts of law, or in other places, about the images or the shadows of images of justice, and is endeavoring to meet the conceptions of those who have never yet seen absolute justice?
[Glaucon] Anything but surprising, he replied.
[Socrates] Any one who has common sense will remember that the bewilderments of the eyes are of two kinds, and arise from two causes, either from coming out of the light or from going into the light, which is true of the mind's eye, quite as much as of the bodily eye; and he who remembers this when he sees any one whose vision is perplexed and weak, will not be too ready to laugh; he will first ask whether that soul of man has come out of the brighter light, and is unable to see because unaccustomed to the dark, or having turned from darkness to the day is dazzled by excess of light. And he will count the one happy in his condition and state of being, and he will pity the other; or, if he have a mind to laugh at the soul which comes from below into the light, there will be more reason in this than in the laugh which greets him who returns from above out of the light into the cave.
[Glaucon] That, he said, is a very just distinction.
[Socrates] But then, if I am right, certain professors of education must be wrong when they say that they can put a knowledge into the soul which was not there before, like sight into blind eyes.
[Glaucon] They undoubtedly say this, he replied.
[Socrates] Whereas, our argument shows that the power and capacity of learning exists in the soul already; and that just as the eye was unable to turn from darkness to light without the whole body, so too the instrument of knowledge can only by the movement of the whole soul be turned from the world of becoming into that of being, and learn by degrees to endure the sight of being, and of the brightest and best of being, or in other words, of the good.
[Glaucon] Very true.
[Socrates] And must there not be some art which will effect conversion in the easiest and quickest manner; not implanting the faculty of sight, for that exists already, but has been turned in the wrong direction, and is looking away from the truth?
[Glaucon] Yes, he said, such an art may be presumed.
[Socrates] And whereas the other so-called virtues of the soul seem to be akin to bodily qualities, for even when they are not originally innate they can be implanted later by habit and exercise, the of wisdom more than anything else contains a divine element which always remains, and by this conversion is rendered useful and profitable; or, on the other hand, hurtful and useless. Did you never observe the narrow intelligence flashing from the keen eye of a clever rogue --how eager he is, how clearly his paltry soul sees the way to his end; he is the reverse of blind, but his keen eyesight is forced into the service of evil, and he is mischievous in proportion to his cleverness.
[Glaucon] Very true, he said.
[Socrates] But what if there had been a circumcision of such natures in the days of their youth; and they had been severed from those sensual pleasures, such as eating and drinking, which, like leaden weights, were attached to them at their birth, and which drag them down and turn the vision of their souls upon the things that are below --if, I say, they had been released from these impediments and turned in the opposite direction, the very same faculty in them would have seen the truth as keenly as they see what their eyes are turned to now.
[Glaucon] Very likely.
[Socrates] Yes, I said; and there is another thing which is likely. or rather a necessary inference from what has preceded, that neither the uneducated and uninformed of the truth, nor yet those who never make an end of their education, will be able ministers of State; not the former, because they have no single aim of duty which is the rule of all their actions, private as well as public; nor the latter, because they will not act at all except upon compulsion, fancying that they are already dwelling apart in the islands of the blest.
[Glaucon] Very true, he replied.
[Socrates] Then, I said, the business of us who are the founders of the State will be to compel the best minds to attain that knowledge which we have already shown to be the greatest of all-they must continue to ascend until they arrive at the good; but when they have ascended and seen enough we must not allow them to do as they do now.
[Glaucon] What do you mean?
[Socrates] I mean that they remain in the upper world: but this must not be allowed; they must be made to descend again among the prisoners in the cave, and partake of their labors and honors, whether they are worth having or not.
[Glaucon] But is not this unjust? he said; ought we to give them a worse life, when they might have a better?
[Socrates] You have again forgotten, my friend, I said, the intention of the legislator, who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of the State, and therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding up the State.
[Glaucon] True, he said, I had forgotten.
[Socrates] Observe, Glaucon, that there will be no injustice in compelling our philosophers to have a care and providence of others; we shall explain to them that in other States, men of their class are not obliged to share in the toils of politics: and this is reasonable, for they grow up at their own sweet will, and the government would rather not have them. Being self-taught, they cannot be expected to show any gratitude for a culture which they have never received. But we have brought you into the world to be rulers of the hive, kings of yourselves and of the other citizens, and have educated you far better and more perfectly than they have been educated, and you are better able to share in the double duty. Wherefore each of you, when his turn comes, must go down to the general underground abode, and get the habit of seeing in the dark. When you have acquired the habit, you will see ten thousand times better than the inhabitants of the cave, and you will know what the several images are, and what they represent, because you have seen the beautiful and just and good in their truth. And thus our State which is also yours will be a reality, and not a dream only, and will be administered in a spirit unlike that of other States, in which men fight with one another about shadows only and are distracted in the struggle for power, which in their eyes is a great good. Whereas the truth is that the State in which the rulers are most reluctant to govern is always the best and most quietly governed, and the State in which they are most eager, the worst.
[Glaucon] Quite true, he replied.
[Socrates] And will our pupils, when they hear this, refuse to take their turn at the toils of State, when they are allowed to spend the greater part of their time with one another in the heavenly light?
[Glaucon] Impossible, he answered; for they are just men, and the commands which we impose upon them are just; there can be no doubt that every one of them will take office as a stern necessity, and not after the fashion of our present rulers of State.
[Socrates] Yes, my friend, I said; and there lies the point. You must contrive for your future rulers another and a better life than that of a ruler, and then you may have a well-ordered State; for only in the State which offers this, will they rule who are truly rich, not in silver and gold, but in virtue and wisdom, which are the true blessings of life. Whereas if they go to the administration of public affairs, poor and hungering after the' own private advantage, thinking that hence they are to snatch the chief good, order there can never be; for they will be fighting about office, and the civil and domestic broils which thus arise will be the ruin of the rulers themselves and of the whole State.
[Glaucon] Most true, he replied.
[Socrates] And the only life which looks down upon the life of political ambition is that of true philosophy. Do you know of any other?
[Glaucon] Indeed, I do not, he said.
[Socrates] And those who govern ought not to be lovers of the task? For, if they are, there will be rival lovers, and they will fight.
[Glaucon] No question.
[Socrates] Who then are those whom we shall compel to be guardians? Surely they will be the men who are wisest about affairs of State, and by whom the State is best administered, and who at the same time have other honors and another and a better life than that of politics?
[Glaucon] They are the men, and I will choose them, he replied.
[Socrates] And now shall we consider in what way such guardians will be produced, and how they are to be brought from darkness to light, -- as some are said to have ascended from the world below to the gods?
[Glaucon] By all means, he replied.
[Socrates] The process, I said, is not the turning over of an oyster-shell, but the turning round of a soul passing from a day which is little better than night to the true day of being, that is, the ascent from below, which we affirm to be true philosophy?
[Glaucon] Quite so.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pineal-gland/figure1.html
The 'Pineal gland' also known as the "third eye" was said by Descartes to be the "the principal seat of the soul"
The 'Pineal Gland' was used in the Movie 'The Matrix', remember when they would plug that stem into the back of the users head? Connecting to the 'Principal seat of the soul'.
The Allegory of the Cave was also used as a theme throughout the Trilogy. In fact, anyone a fan of the show 'LOST'?
Specifically the last couple of seasons, they really went heavy with these themes. I thought it was all done really well. (BTW I loved the Finale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_matrix
(Matrix Film)
-The film contains many references to the cyberpunk and hacker subcultures; philosophical and religious ideas such as René Descartes' evil genius, the Allegory of the Cave, the brain in a vat thought experiment; and homages to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland...
Now 'Fluoride' and the Pineal Gland.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026364_fluoride_pineal_gland_sodium.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/
Now why would 'The System' want to block our 'Pineal Glands?'..So we then become unable to unplug from it and get free, And see 'reality'.(or some say) They want us to Stay low to the ground, apathetic, dumb, numb. Turning us into batteries. :eh: heheh!
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pineal-gland/index.html#3.3
It's an ongoing debate and intense study.Really fun when you get into it,
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon
'Evil Demon', interesting read.
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Over the past year I remember reading a few other threads in this forum about 'reality', lots of good stuff by fellow posters. Enjoy the ride, See yeah on the flip side.
If we look at the teachings of the Bible we also have the metaphor of the cave. It was this knowledge and spoken in parables which cannot be understood unless in this enlightened state of mind. For those who do not wish to understand it will just be pig fodder and complete misunderstanding. which is fine because why would you give the knowledge to a pig? But if the the knowledge is given to a pig, it becomes his own default or own end or ruin because he does not know how to use it properly. The quest to understanding the "ultimate knowledge" just may be your doom because you are ill prepared to use it wisely and properly.
All great masters will ask you to question your reality. All great masters will ask you what you have learned. All great masters are not only the master but also always the humble student.
I like & appreciate your way of thinking.
In regards to your four-types-of-people analysis, (especially in regards to type # 1) have you considered giving categorization to that type of people, who upon (let's say) entering early adulthood, never let the so-called bars ever hold them at all.....those who saw the bars and chose at an early age to step and grow oustide of them, thus relieving the need to ever fight and struggle to break free therefrom? This type can reasonably exist within your thread realm, right?
You are over-analyzing it.
Liberals hate themselves.... hate their lives... hate everyone else's lives....
simple.
You really are too funny.
You could be a star on any reality show, fyi.
however this is where "this tree" is going
If you have a connection, i've got cash.
Comparable to this view, I am everything. Why are you everything? I like this view atm, maybe just to help those make it through their transcendence. Why "Love" is important. There is violation of these things. Use of DMT is violating, however used properly it may speed your knowledge of becoming, make you feel as one with creation understand the "Love" the energy. Just dont crawl so far up into your ass you actually will make a dead end for yourself with no way out. Which might be proper and fitting because you may not deserve such knowledge in the first place. Kinda like the "Lawnmower Man"
http://www.kktanhp.com/twin_souls.htm
both will change you immeasurably and forever. in a VERY good way.
Steve Jobs was an advocate! (for the responsible use)
mmmm... going to go listen to Lakota peyote healing music right now... without the peyote.
For the last 2 to 3 years, after I realized and began to comprehend that reality is all in ones head, I began a search for the 'source'. It is true that reality is shape shifted each and everyday. Just look around.
What makes me boil in all this though is that the source which displays to us the highest of intelligence, love, is the same source up against itself displaying the opposite SIDE NOTE: Does it recognize 'opposite' or is that observation all in our heads ?
Pisses me off! That this source can't figure itself out. It truly is a battlefield.
I know I've mentioned him before in other posts but I must write his name once again because of what he says and seems to comprehend (fully understand)
YOUTUBE: Jonathan (Adampants)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5gci2ZwMM
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
Im sorry, that came to mind when you spoke of shapeshifting reality.
"naw... just enjoying a biggest klusterfark than it already is."