I think it's funny when Christians call themselves "pro life" and then do shit like this, proving that they're really "pro-death."
they are pro life until you are born. after that, you are on your own.
Ok, can we stop with the dumbass comments now. Please. I know it seems like you are really upset, but this statement is just ridiculous. Unless of course I can call you a baby killer for the entire month.
how about you try to debunk what i said instead of labeling it a dumbass comment... :roll:
republicans only care about you until your are born. and if you are born poor they don't care. you are on your own. or at least in their ideal world you are on your own. look at the republicans' actions and proposed policies and try to tell me different please...
you can't...
why don't they stay the fuck out of a woman's life and out of her body?? her body is not a damn battlefield. that is the only thing she has, and the republicans, who are so for FREEDOM in all other situations choose instead to take away a woman's freedom to choose..... if there is another case of outright blatant hypocracy i have not seen it...except maybe the hilarious failed forray into trying to save terri shiavo...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
they are pro life until you are born. after that, you are on your own.
Ok, can we stop with the dumbass comments now. Please. I know it seems like you are really upset, but this statement is just ridiculous. Unless of course I can call you a baby killer for the entire month.
how about you try to debunk what i said instead of labeling it a dumbass comment... :roll:
republicans only care about you until your are born. and if you are born poor they don't care. you are on your own. or at least in their ideal world you are on your own. look at the republicans' actions and proposed policies and try to tell me different please...
you can't...
why don't they stay the fuck out of a woman's life and out of her body?? her body is not a damn battlefield. that is the only thing she has, and the republicans, who are so for FREEDOM in all other situations choose instead to take away a woman's freedom to choose..... if there is another case of outright blatant hypocracy i have not seen it...except maybe the hilarious failed forray into trying to save terri shiavo...
Try and debunk what you said??? That's pretty easy. There are plenty of people that are pro-life that also give to charities, donate time and $. Your comment was such an over generalization and then you even improved upon it by now including all republicans. If you actually thought about it for a while, you would know what you said was bullshit.
Just like calling pro-choice people all baby killers. That was my point.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you about abortion as neither one of us will change each others mind, especially if you are going to just going to paint everyone that disagrees with you with the same brush. Some people fit your description...a lot of people don't.
Don't try and bring up hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy there. It's just who's freedom you are more concerned with. You post only stiles any possibility for rational discussion.
Statement from Susan G. Komen Board of Directors and Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker
DALLAS, Feb 03, 2012 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women's lives.
The events of this week have been deeply unsettling for our supporters, partners and friends and all of us at Susan G. Komen. We have been distressed at the presumption that the changes made to our funding criteria were done for political reasons or to specifically penalize Planned Parenthood. They were not.
Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.
Our only goal for our granting process is to support women and families in the fight against breast cancer. Amending our criteria will ensure that politics has no place in our grant process. We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities.
It is our hope and we believe it is time for everyone involved to pause, slow down and reflect on how grants can most effectively and directly be administered without controversies that hurt the cause of women. We urge everyone who has participated in this conversation across the country over the last few days to help us move past this issue. We do not want our mission marred or affected by politics -- anyone's politics.
Starting this afternoon, we will have calls with our network and key supporters to refocus our attention on our mission and get back to doing our work. We ask for the public's understanding and patience as we gather our Komen affiliates from around the country to determine how to move forward in the best interests of the women and people we serve.
We extend our deepest thanks for the outpouring of support we have received from so many in the past few days and we sincerely hope that these changes will be welcomed by those who have expressed their concern.
About Susan G. Komen for the Cure(R)
Nancy G. Brinker promised her dying sister, Susan G. Komen, that she would do everything in her power to end breast cancer. Today, Susan G. Komen for the Cure works to end breast cancer in the U.S. and throughout the world through ground-breaking research, community health outreach, advocacy and programs in more than 50 countries with a special focus on low-resource and developing nations.
I like that they have changed their stance, but their reputation is now questionable and will remain so.
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
first off...people who are pro choice are not pro abortion or pro baby killing.
we are for the right to choose. i don't like abortion and i don't know anyone who does. quite frankly i am disgusted by it, but i love the fact that the woman has a right to choose what happens within her own body. the republicans who spout off about freedom on here all day should be pro choice, but they are not. therein lies the hypocracy. "we are for freedom for all, unless you are a woman who got knocked up accidently..."
i am talking about the republican establishment in this federal government and the national GOP, and those running for president.
so what is the republican party's official stance on abortion? what is their stance on what they will do with medicaid? what is their official stance on planned parenthood?
when is the last time a group of republican politicians got together and said, "geeee, you know, i believe in freedom for everyone,and i believe in keeping government out of reproductive health and that we should not be trying to legislate what women can and can't do with their bodies..."
they can't say that, or else the national party will not fund their re-election bid...
those positions do not allow for debate.
but since komen has come to its senses this is all moot anyway.
Try and debunk what you said??? That's pretty easy. There are plenty of people that are pro-life that also give to charities, donate time and $. Your comment was such an over generalization and then you even improved upon it by now including all republicans. If you actually thought about it for a while, you would know what you said was bullshit.
Just like calling pro-choice people all baby killers. That was my point.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you about abortion as neither one of us will change each others mind, especially if you are going to just going to paint everyone that disagrees with you with the same brush. Some people fit your description...a lot of people don't.
Don't try and bring up hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy there. It's just who's freedom you are more concerned with. You post only stiles any possibility for rational discussion.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
first off...people who are pro choice are not pro abortion or pro baby killing.
Oh the irony. Getting upset about generalizations while continuing to make them yourself. hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Personally, They can do whatever they want with their funding. But it makes sense to make sure that the people that support the funding in the first place are in agreement with your decisions.
I like that they have changed their stance, but their reputation is now questionable and will remain so.
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
That was me, regarding that I prefer to donate to the American Cancer Society, and I believe the Komen decision was reversed simply as damage control and to stop the public fallout. I do not think Komen has changed its spots, and I think they will try more behind the scenes strategies to effect the changes they were trying to make here, but they will try to do it quietly - I don't trust them.
R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
I like that they have changed their stance, but their reputation is now questionable and will remain so.
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
That was me, regarding that I prefer to donate to the American Cancer Society, and I believe the Komen decision was reversed simply as damage control and to stop the public fallout. I do not think Komen has changed its spots, and I think they will try more behind the scenes strategies to effect the changes they were trying to make here, but they will try to do it quietly - I don't trust them.
I agree. The same people who originally made the decision are still in power. So they will just do something else.
I like that they have changed their stance, but their reputation is now questionable and will remain so.
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
I think it was a desperate (and good) move on their part. It looks like they're desperately trying to save themselves here, but I don't think they'll be able to. Their reputation is tarnished.
I like that they have changed their stance, but their reputation is now questionable and will remain so.
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
I think it was a desperate (and good) move on their part. It looks like they're desperately trying to save themselves here, but I don't think they'll be able to. Their reputation is tarnished.
i agree. desperate attempt to save face. but people are not going to forget about this. especially those who have relied on planned parenthood for health care.
now that people know about the intentions of their directors and how the one ran for office in georgia as a pro life single issue candidate, i think they will think twice about who they are donating to and will instead donate to planned parenthood and bypass komen altogether...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
additionally komen just put heaps of attention onto planned parenthood and has inadvertantly raised a million bucks for PP from private donors. in the process komen now has egg on its face...
the outrage caused by this is proof that the american people feel that these attacks on women's reproductive health have to stop now.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't know the specifics or the intent or the agenda of these events/outcomes... so, I'm going to save my opinion til I have some verifiable facts... if they even make it to me.
That said, I am still going to support Breast Cancer Research, whether it is the Susan G. Komen Foundation or the Avon Company. Yeah, these are large organizations, but they are also large contributors. Planned Parenthood is not the only organization that the Komen Foundation helps to fund. One of their key principles is to assist women at risk, namely, those who are least able to afford cancer screenings. Komen's reach is global and they fund breast cancer screenings in some of the most poverty stricken regions of our planet.
The fact is, there are more women surviving breast cancer today, than in your mother's generation. Education, awareness and early detection has increased the survival rate and the stigma of shame from breast cancer 'in the good old days' is vanishing. Part of that awareness is because of the onslaught of pink ribbons and advertisement. Without the funding for these multi-media campaigns, we can't say for sure how many lives were saved or prolonged.
Anyway... I just hit my 10th year with the Avon/Komen Walks and will continue support of something I believe goes beyond political wanking by both side of this abortion/anti-abortion issue.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I like that they have changed their stance, but their reputation is now questionable and will remain so.
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
I think it was a desperate (and good) move on their part. It looks like they're desperately trying to save themselves here, but I don't think they'll be able to. Their reputation is tarnished.
i agree. desperate attempt to save face. but people are not going to forget about this. especially those who have relied on planned parenthood for health care.
now that people know about the intentions of their directors and how the one ran for office in georgia as a pro life single issue candidate, i think they will think twice about who they are donating to and will instead donate to planned parenthood and bypass komen altogether...
I wonder, too, whether any of the politicians will take note of the strong public sentiment against defunding Planned Parenthood. That would be good.
additionally komen just put heaps of attention onto planned parenthood and has inadvertantly raised a million bucks for PP from private donors. in the process komen now has egg on its face...
the outrage caused by this is proof that the american people feel that these attacks on women's reproductive health have to stop now.
I should have read this post before I responded to the last one.
If anyone questions the Susan G. Komen Foundation on financial (not political) ethics, check them out yourself here: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... orgid=4509
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You can check out most charitable organizations at Charity Navigator.
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As stated, I support the Susan G. Komen Foundation and have been a supporter ever since they took over the Avon 3-Day Walks in 2003. I don't care about politics when I have witnessed, first hand over the past 10 years, the actual good they are doing for cancer victims and survivors, their families and friends and the community at large.
It's these fucking anti-abortion organizations that are the instigators. If they do not want their funding to go for abortions, try funding the education that PREVENTS THE UNWANTED PREGNANCIES in the first place. If they don't like the idea of stem cell research used in the search for a cure of cancer... raise funds to use alternative research that does not include stem cell research in the search for the cure. Quit dragging your fucking politics into the fight against cancer.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Well thats the thing too. Not only an attack against reproductive health but its a disgrace to the people specifically women's cancer research. For which there was a lack there of and why the Komen Organization was founded.
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republicans only care about you until your are born. and if you are born poor they don't care. you are on your own. or at least in their ideal world you are on your own. look at the republicans' actions and proposed policies and try to tell me different please...
you can't...
why don't they stay the fuck out of a woman's life and out of her body?? her body is not a damn battlefield. that is the only thing she has, and the republicans, who are so for FREEDOM in all other situations choose instead to take away a woman's freedom to choose..... if there is another case of outright blatant hypocracy i have not seen it...except maybe the hilarious failed forray into trying to save terri shiavo...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Try and debunk what you said??? That's pretty easy. There are plenty of people that are pro-life that also give to charities, donate time and $. Your comment was such an over generalization and then you even improved upon it by now including all republicans. If you actually thought about it for a while, you would know what you said was bullshit.
Just like calling pro-choice people all baby killers. That was my point.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you about abortion as neither one of us will change each others mind, especially if you are going to just going to paint everyone that disagrees with you with the same brush. Some people fit your description...a lot of people don't.
Don't try and bring up hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy there. It's just who's freedom you are more concerned with. You post only stiles any possibility for rational discussion.
Good job, everyone who spoke out! :thumbup:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/statem ... 2012-02-03
press release
Feb. 3, 2012, 11:14 a.m. EST
Statement from Susan G. Komen Board of Directors and Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker
DALLAS, Feb 03, 2012 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women's lives.
The events of this week have been deeply unsettling for our supporters, partners and friends and all of us at Susan G. Komen. We have been distressed at the presumption that the changes made to our funding criteria were done for political reasons or to specifically penalize Planned Parenthood. They were not.
Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.
Our only goal for our granting process is to support women and families in the fight against breast cancer. Amending our criteria will ensure that politics has no place in our grant process. We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities.
It is our hope and we believe it is time for everyone involved to pause, slow down and reflect on how grants can most effectively and directly be administered without controversies that hurt the cause of women. We urge everyone who has participated in this conversation across the country over the last few days to help us move past this issue. We do not want our mission marred or affected by politics -- anyone's politics.
Starting this afternoon, we will have calls with our network and key supporters to refocus our attention on our mission and get back to doing our work. We ask for the public's understanding and patience as we gather our Komen affiliates from around the country to determine how to move forward in the best interests of the women and people we serve.
We extend our deepest thanks for the outpouring of support we have received from so many in the past few days and we sincerely hope that these changes will be welcomed by those who have expressed their concern.
About Susan G. Komen for the Cure(R)
Nancy G. Brinker promised her dying sister, Susan G. Komen, that she would do everything in her power to end breast cancer. Today, Susan G. Komen for the Cure works to end breast cancer in the U.S. and throughout the world through ground-breaking research, community health outreach, advocacy and programs in more than 50 countries with a special focus on low-resource and developing nations.
SOURCE: Susan G. Komen for the Cure
I don't know if I would support them anymore. Like someone said- I'll just donate to the Cancer Society.
we are for the right to choose. i don't like abortion and i don't know anyone who does. quite frankly i am disgusted by it, but i love the fact that the woman has a right to choose what happens within her own body. the republicans who spout off about freedom on here all day should be pro choice, but they are not. therein lies the hypocracy. "we are for freedom for all, unless you are a woman who got knocked up accidently..."
i am talking about the republican establishment in this federal government and the national GOP, and those running for president.
so what is the republican party's official stance on abortion? what is their stance on what they will do with medicaid? what is their official stance on planned parenthood?
when is the last time a group of republican politicians got together and said, "geeee, you know, i believe in freedom for everyone,and i believe in keeping government out of reproductive health and that we should not be trying to legislate what women can and can't do with their bodies..."
they can't say that, or else the national party will not fund their re-election bid...
those positions do not allow for debate.
but since komen has come to its senses this is all moot anyway.
i will still not give another dime to komen.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Oh the irony. Getting upset about generalizations while continuing to make them yourself. hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Personally, They can do whatever they want with their funding. But it makes sense to make sure that the people that support the funding in the first place are in agreement with your decisions.
That was me, regarding that I prefer to donate to the American Cancer Society, and I believe the Komen decision was reversed simply as damage control and to stop the public fallout. I do not think Komen has changed its spots, and I think they will try more behind the scenes strategies to effect the changes they were trying to make here, but they will try to do it quietly - I don't trust them.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
I think it was a desperate (and good) move on their part. It looks like they're desperately trying to save themselves here, but I don't think they'll be able to. Their reputation is tarnished.
now that people know about the intentions of their directors and how the one ran for office in georgia as a pro life single issue candidate, i think they will think twice about who they are donating to and will instead donate to planned parenthood and bypass komen altogether...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the outrage caused by this is proof that the american people feel that these attacks on women's reproductive health have to stop now.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That said, I am still going to support Breast Cancer Research, whether it is the Susan G. Komen Foundation or the Avon Company. Yeah, these are large organizations, but they are also large contributors. Planned Parenthood is not the only organization that the Komen Foundation helps to fund. One of their key principles is to assist women at risk, namely, those who are least able to afford cancer screenings. Komen's reach is global and they fund breast cancer screenings in some of the most poverty stricken regions of our planet.
The fact is, there are more women surviving breast cancer today, than in your mother's generation. Education, awareness and early detection has increased the survival rate and the stigma of shame from breast cancer 'in the good old days' is vanishing. Part of that awareness is because of the onslaught of pink ribbons and advertisement. Without the funding for these multi-media campaigns, we can't say for sure how many lives were saved or prolonged.
Anyway... I just hit my 10th year with the Avon/Komen Walks and will continue support of something I believe goes beyond political wanking by both side of this abortion/anti-abortion issue.
Hail, Hail!!!
I like pink shiny spandex with big packages. Dang GOP wrecks it for everyone.
I wonder, too, whether any of the politicians will take note of the strong public sentiment against defunding Planned Parenthood. That would be good.
I should have read this post before I responded to the last one.
I agree!
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/kom ... l-research
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... orgid=4509
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You can check out most charitable organizations at Charity Navigator.
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As stated, I support the Susan G. Komen Foundation and have been a supporter ever since they took over the Avon 3-Day Walks in 2003. I don't care about politics when I have witnessed, first hand over the past 10 years, the actual good they are doing for cancer victims and survivors, their families and friends and the community at large.
It's these fucking anti-abortion organizations that are the instigators. If they do not want their funding to go for abortions, try funding the education that PREVENTS THE UNWANTED PREGNANCIES in the first place. If they don't like the idea of stem cell research used in the search for a cure of cancer... raise funds to use alternative research that does not include stem cell research in the search for the cure. Quit dragging your fucking politics into the fight against cancer.
Hail, Hail!!!
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Im so pissed right now, I cant even write.