One of the best live shows PERIOD...and one of the most technically multidimensional bands ever.
"If you want a friend, feed any animal." - JA
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
Need to see these guys. For a number of reasons, I keep missing these guys when presented with the rare opportunity to do so. I love their music though.
If I see them and Rage (which I think I might travel to Europe to do)... I will have seen all who I have needed to see (short of dead artists).
Given the lack of shows, I have been tempted to see Puscifer as a form of consolation. They won't do it for me though. Is there any die hard fan out there that can tell me to relax and just wait?
Just cos they aren't fooling about on stage doesn't mean they suck!!
No, but it can mean their live show sucks. When I pay to see a concert I pay to see the band play their music, not watch movie screens of prerecorded footage that mimics their music videos. I go to the movies to stare at a screen, and that's usually not more than $10 a ticket.
I kind of like the way maynard stands in the back grooving to himself as just "another piece to the band puzzle" along side Danny Carey with Adam and Justin on their spots playing their instruments (with Justin actually "getting into "once in awhile)....I prefer this to Danny in the back doing stick tricks and the other 3 up front synchronizing "rockstar" moves ala Poison videos. Yes it can mean, you may as well sit in your room with headphone and a strobe light but where you gonna get all them badass frickin laserbeams and trippy movies with shit projecting all over the arena?
I can't compare them to PJ and don't
If a man speaks in a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
I kind of like the way maynard stands in the back grooving to himself as just "another piece to the band puzzle" along side Danny Carey with Adam and Justin on their spots playing their instruments (with Justin actually "getting into "once in awhile)....I prefer this to Danny in the back doing stick tricks and the other 3 up front synchronizing "rockstar" moves ala Poison videos. Yes it can mean, you may as well sit in your room with headphone and a strobe light but where you gonna get all them badass frickin laserbeams and trippy movies with shit projecting all over the arena?
I can't compare them to PJ and don't
The one thing I'll say about Maynard being in the back...It used to be so much cooler than it is now. His old dance moves were downright trippy on their own. Looked like Gollum grooving around back there on the Lateralus tours.
Just cos they aren't fooling about on stage doesn't mean they suck!!
No, but it can mean their live show sucks. When I pay to see a concert I pay to see the band play their music, not watch movie screens of prerecorded footage that mimics their music videos. I go to the movies to stare at a screen, and that's usually not more than $10 a ticket.
If you want to watch them play their music, it couldn't be easier. I appreciate that I can kinda see what they're laying it out there. It's as "about the music and art" as they can make it. I think you mean you want them to do rock star posturing.
Saw them on the first and second leg of the 10000 days album...loved both shows. The band is spot on and heavy as fuck live, precise musicians to say the least. The stage was all white and used to project their light show on, was very original. Maynard stayed by the drums but was into it and sounded amazing so I was thoroughly entertained while the music still hit home IMO
Just cos they aren't fooling about on stage doesn't mean they suck!!
No, but it can mean their live show sucks. When I pay to see a concert I pay to see the band play their music, not watch movie screens of prerecorded footage that mimics their music videos. I go to the movies to stare at a screen, and that's usually not more than $10 a ticket.
If you want to watch them play their music, it couldn't be easier. I appreciate that I can kinda see what they're laying it out there. It's as "about the music and art" as they can make it. I think you mean you want them to do rock star posturing.
No NIN was awesome with their Lights In The Sky tour and that was heavy on screen usage, but it was interactive. Pearl Jam is great live and they dont do the in-sync headbanging, Bad Religion is always a blast live and they have a very simple stage show.
It's about stage presence and Tool has none. If you dropped a curtain in front of the band members it would not effect how you experience Tool's shows at all. They really wouldn't even have to take stage, they could play back in the dressing room and the audience would get nearly the same thing. Tool sounds great live, they do that very well, but when it comes to putting on a show they could learn something from most local garage bands.
No NIN was awesome with their Lights In The Sky tour and that was heavy on screen usage, but it was interactive. Pearl Jam is great live and they dont do the in-sync headbanging, Bad Religion is always a blast live and they have a very simple stage show.
It's about stage presence and Tool has none. If you dropped a curtain in front of the band members it would not effect how you experience Tool's shows at all. They really wouldn't even have to take stage, they could play back in the dressing room and the audience would get nearly the same thing. Tool sounds great live, they do that very well, but when it comes to putting on a show they could learn something from most local garage bands.
Mike McCready and Eddie Vedder might not do tandem rock leans but they do plenty of posturing.
I think you're missing the point of their shows. Their presence on stage isn't meant to be noticed.
I personally wanna see a band play their music well(something that PJ could learn from Tool on a night in night out basis) and if they have other stuff that adds to the show then that's just icing on the cake. Different bands work the audience in different way and I can appreciate the different approaches.
No NIN was awesome with their Lights In The Sky tour and that was heavy on screen usage, but it was interactive. Pearl Jam is great live and they dont do the in-sync headbanging, Bad Religion is always a blast live and they have a very simple stage show.
It's about stage presence and Tool has none. If you dropped a curtain in front of the band members it would not effect how you experience Tool's shows at all. They really wouldn't even have to take stage, they could play back in the dressing room and the audience would get nearly the same thing. Tool sounds great live, they do that very well, but when it comes to putting on a show they could learn something from most local garage bands.
Mike McCready and Eddie Vedder might not do tandem rock leans but they do plenty of posturing.
I think you're missing the point of their shows. Their presence on stage isn't meant to be noticed.
I personally wanna see a band play their music well(something that PJ could learn from Tool on a night in night out basis) and if they have other stuff that adds to the show then that's just icing on the cake. Different bands work the audience in different way and I can appreciate the different approaches.
+1
You are right on point.
8/25/98 - Pittsburgh
5/20/06 - Cleveland
6/23/06 - Pittsburgh
6/22/08 - Washington DC
5/06/10 - Columbus 7/02/11 - Soundgarden Toronto
9/11/11 - Toronto
9/12/11 - Toronto 5/12/13 - Soundgarden Pittsburgh
10/11/13 - Pittsburgh 7/27/14 - Soundgarden Toronto
11/04/16 - Temple of the Dog - Upper Darby, PA
I kind of like the way maynard stands in the back grooving to himself as just "another piece to the band puzzle" along side Danny Carey with Adam and Justin on their spots playing their instruments (with Justin actually "getting into "once in awhile)....I prefer this to Danny in the back doing stick tricks and the other 3 up front synchronizing "rockstar" moves ala Poison videos. Yes it can mean, you may as well sit in your room with headphone and a strobe light but where you gonna get all them badass frickin laserbeams and trippy movies with shit projecting all over the arena?
I can't compare them to PJ and don't
The one thing I'll say about Maynard being in the back...It used to be so much cooler than it is now. His old dance moves were downright trippy on their own. Looked like Gollum grooving around back there on the Lateralus tours.
He was like as recently as 2007. 2009 is when he just really started standing there, not moving around.
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I kind of like the way maynard stands in the back grooving to himself as just "another piece to the band puzzle" along side Danny Carey with Adam and Justin on their spots playing their instruments (with Justin actually "getting into "once in awhile)....I prefer this to Danny in the back doing stick tricks and the other 3 up front synchronizing "rockstar" moves ala Poison videos. Yes it can mean, you may as well sit in your room with headphone and a strobe light but where you gonna get all them badass frickin laserbeams and trippy movies with shit projecting all over the arena?
I can't compare them to PJ and don't
The one thing I'll say about Maynard being in the back...It used to be so much cooler than it is now. His old dance moves were downright trippy on their own. Looked like Gollum grooving around back there on the Lateralus tours.
He was like as recently as 2007. 2009 is when he just really started standing there, not moving around.
That's MJK!!!!!!
8/25/98 - Pittsburgh
5/20/06 - Cleveland
6/23/06 - Pittsburgh
6/22/08 - Washington DC
5/06/10 - Columbus 7/02/11 - Soundgarden Toronto
9/11/11 - Toronto
9/12/11 - Toronto 5/12/13 - Soundgarden Pittsburgh
10/11/13 - Pittsburgh 7/27/14 - Soundgarden Toronto
11/04/16 - Temple of the Dog - Upper Darby, PA
Just cos they aren't fooling about on stage doesn't mean they suck!!
No, but it can mean their live show sucks. When I pay to see a concert I pay to see the band play their music, not watch movie screens of prerecorded footage that mimics their music videos. I go to the movies to stare at a screen, and that's usually not more than $10 a ticket.
but are tool a typical band? if you know their catalogue, i'd thin it would be sort of obvious this isnt your typical work-a-day band. Everything from the lyrics, to the music itself, to the packaging of the music, and the music videos are tip offs to that.
and lets be clear, they do play their music live. the only person you arent seeing up front is maynard. you can look at danny or justin if you like.
the screens of trippy visuals seems like its always been a part of their live show. I think its just another element of what tool has always been about being lost in the music. which also explains maynard hiding in the back. this isnt a band thats preening and showing off for fans, expecting to be photographed and doing guitar solos where the guitarist steps in front of the group. this band has always been about the music itself and how it makes you feel
Ultimately i think you cant please everyone. i saw ryan adams last year. id always heard he was reserved, shy, and kept to himself. during the show he interacted with the crowd, asked us questions, and joked around literally after every single song. He was absolutely hilarious. I found it one of the best shows id ever seen. And after the show, i heard some people complaining about how they wanted him to talk less, and didnt want that interaction part of it.
Just cos they aren't fooling about on stage doesn't mean they suck!!
No, but it can mean their live show sucks. When I pay to see a concert I pay to see the band play their music, not watch movie screens of prerecorded footage that mimics their music videos. I go to the movies to stare at a screen, and that's usually not more than $10 a ticket.
but are tool a typical band? if you know their catalogue, i'd thin it would be sort of obvious this isnt your typical work-a-day band. Everything from the lyrics, to the music itself, to the packaging of the music, and the music videos are tip offs to that.
and lets be clear, they do play their music live. the only person you arent seeing up front is maynard. you can look at danny or justin if you like.
the screens of trippy visuals seems like its always been a part of their live show. I think its just another element of what tool has always been about being lost in the music. which also explains maynard hiding in the back. this isnt a band thats preening and showing off for fans, expecting to be photographed and doing guitar solos where the guitarist steps in front of the group. this band has always been about the music itself and how it makes you feel
Ultimately i think you cant please everyone. i saw ryan adams last year. id always heard he was reserved, shy, and kept to himself. during the show he interacted with the crowd, asked us questions, and joked around literally after every single song. He was absolutely hilarious. I found it one of the best shows id ever seen. And after the show, i heard some people complaining about how they wanted him to talk less, and didnt want that interaction part of it.
I knew Tool wasnt your normal punk/rock band in jeans and a t-shirt, but after seeing them it all felt like a boring show and sorta gimmicky. I now think of them as Rush meets Kiss/The Misfits(or whatever gimmick band you want to add here), with out putting on a cool show. Great musicians but they really play up the "Oh we're so dark and mysterious"
That's not who they really are, look at Maynard in his other bands and with his wine stuff he is a very different person than the image he puts out there while playing with Tool. What they do fits their music I guess, but I like bands to be honest. As I have said in many other threads over the years here, Maynard is a Tool. And since seeing them live nothing has yet to change my mind back to what I once thought of this band. It really ruined them for me.
If youre saying that him standing there is him, its not. He has hidden in the back since 2001 but he still has these like trippy, fluid movements, like weird dancing that works perfectly to the beat that he does. He is usually always grooving like a man possessed. He has stopped doing it in the past 2-3 years though it seems.
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"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
Just cos they aren't fooling about on stage doesn't mean they suck!!
If I see them and Rage (which I think I might travel to Europe to do)... I will have seen all who I have needed to see (short of dead artists).
Given the lack of shows, I have been tempted to see Puscifer as a form of consolation. They won't do it for me though. Is there any die hard fan out there that can tell me to relax and just wait?
No, but it can mean their live show sucks. When I pay to see a concert I pay to see the band play their music, not watch movie screens of prerecorded footage that mimics their music videos. I go to the movies to stare at a screen, and that's usually not more than $10 a ticket.
I can't compare them to PJ and don't
The one thing I'll say about Maynard being in the back...It used to be so much cooler than it is now. His old dance moves were downright trippy on their own. Looked like Gollum grooving around back there on the Lateralus tours.
If you want to watch them play their music, it couldn't be easier. I appreciate that I can kinda see what they're laying it out there. It's as "about the music and art" as they can make it. I think you mean you want them to do rock star posturing.
No NIN was awesome with their Lights In The Sky tour and that was heavy on screen usage, but it was interactive. Pearl Jam is great live and they dont do the in-sync headbanging, Bad Religion is always a blast live and they have a very simple stage show.
It's about stage presence and Tool has none. If you dropped a curtain in front of the band members it would not effect how you experience Tool's shows at all. They really wouldn't even have to take stage, they could play back in the dressing room and the audience would get nearly the same thing. Tool sounds great live, they do that very well, but when it comes to putting on a show they could learn something from most local garage bands.
Mike McCready and Eddie Vedder might not do tandem rock leans but they do plenty of posturing.
I think you're missing the point of their shows. Their presence on stage isn't meant to be noticed.
I personally wanna see a band play their music well(something that PJ could learn from Tool on a night in night out basis) and if they have other stuff that adds to the show then that's just icing on the cake. Different bands work the audience in different way and I can appreciate the different approaches.
+1
You are right on point.
5/20/06 - Cleveland
6/23/06 - Pittsburgh
6/22/08 - Washington DC
5/06/10 - Columbus
7/02/11 - Soundgarden Toronto
9/11/11 - Toronto
9/12/11 - Toronto
5/12/13 - Soundgarden Pittsburgh
10/11/13 - Pittsburgh
7/27/14 - Soundgarden Toronto
11/04/16 - Temple of the Dog - Upper Darby, PA
He was like as recently as 2007. 2009 is when he just really started standing there, not moving around.
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That's MJK!!!!!!
5/20/06 - Cleveland
6/23/06 - Pittsburgh
6/22/08 - Washington DC
5/06/10 - Columbus
7/02/11 - Soundgarden Toronto
9/11/11 - Toronto
9/12/11 - Toronto
5/12/13 - Soundgarden Pittsburgh
10/11/13 - Pittsburgh
7/27/14 - Soundgarden Toronto
11/04/16 - Temple of the Dog - Upper Darby, PA
but are tool a typical band? if you know their catalogue, i'd thin it would be sort of obvious this isnt your typical work-a-day band. Everything from the lyrics, to the music itself, to the packaging of the music, and the music videos are tip offs to that.
and lets be clear, they do play their music live. the only person you arent seeing up front is maynard. you can look at danny or justin if you like.
the screens of trippy visuals seems like its always been a part of their live show. I think its just another element of what tool has always been about being lost in the music. which also explains maynard hiding in the back. this isnt a band thats preening and showing off for fans, expecting to be photographed and doing guitar solos where the guitarist steps in front of the group. this band has always been about the music itself and how it makes you feel
Ultimately i think you cant please everyone. i saw ryan adams last year. id always heard he was reserved, shy, and kept to himself. during the show he interacted with the crowd, asked us questions, and joked around literally after every single song. He was absolutely hilarious. I found it one of the best shows id ever seen. And after the show, i heard some people complaining about how they wanted him to talk less, and didnt want that interaction part of it.
I knew Tool wasnt your normal punk/rock band in jeans and a t-shirt, but after seeing them it all felt like a boring show and sorta gimmicky. I now think of them as Rush meets Kiss/The Misfits(or whatever gimmick band you want to add here), with out putting on a cool show. Great musicians but they really play up the "Oh we're so dark and mysterious"
That's not who they really are, look at Maynard in his other bands and with his wine stuff he is a very different person than the image he puts out there while playing with Tool. What they do fits their music I guess, but I like bands to be honest. As I have said in many other threads over the years here, Maynard is a Tool. And since seeing them live nothing has yet to change my mind back to what I once thought of this band. It really ruined them for me.
If youre saying that him standing there is him, its not. He has hidden in the back since 2001 but he still has these like trippy, fluid movements, like weird dancing that works perfectly to the beat that he does. He is usually always grooving like a man possessed. He has stopped doing it in the past 2-3 years though it seems.
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