Why can't people move past is global warming real or not. I would think everyone would like to see much less waste, less pollution...etc.. I would like to see the discussion turn to reducing waste...why can't we all agree that the climate has changed, where I live in Canada I can count on 1 hand the number of days that it was extremely cold, this past weekend I was wearing a fall jacket in February!!!
Some pet pet peeves of mine I would like to see addressed is bottled water, why are people buying it by the caseload still? Packaging why are so many companies still using the hard non recyclable plastic? However I have made 2 purchases recently where almost all the packaging was cardboard (HP Printer, Western Digital hard drive, good for those companies). Is it time for the government to legislate packing material, force water bottle manufacturers and beverage manufacturers to pit a deposit on there products?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Some pet pet peeves of mine I would like to see addressed is bottled water, why are people buying it by the caseload still? Packaging why are so many companies still using the hard non recyclable plastic? However I have made 2 purchases recently where almost all the packaging was cardboard (HP Printer, Western Digital hard drive, good for those companies). Is it time for the government to legislate packing material, force water bottle manufacturers and beverage manufacturers to pit a deposit on there products?
Right to the bold part! It's more feasible to put a filter on your water pump or even your fridge than buying bottled water! I don't get it either. And I agree with you with the need for people to move past the global warming "debate". Focusing on sides solves absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Do you know there are 'intellects' that deny the Holocaust?
You seem Hell bent on trying to convince people we are overreacting to global warming. Is this to ease your anxiety or do you actually believe it?
i know it's being thrown out a lot lately but these posts are essentially trolling posts ... right from the get go - i told him that his just pasting links was disingenuous because they all lacked credibility ... proving it also ... then last week he posts an article that was clearly taken out of context and i proved it again ... and he doesn't comment on it ... and now he posts more bs articles that do nothing to combat the science behind global warming ... he even has the gall to post an article about a guy who actually worked fro SHELL oil ...
it's like me starting a thread about how cigarettes are good for people ... and then just continue to post links put forth by the tobacco industry ...
it's sad and regrettable that he chooses this approach ... :(
Do you know there are 'intellects' that deny the Holocaust?
You seem Hell bent on trying to convince people we are overreacting to global warming. Is this to ease your anxiety or do you actually believe it?
First, in my opinion, the concept of Global Warming and the Holocaust are not similar at all. One is a theory, with some empirical data backing it up, yet with some empirical holes in their methodology and data. The other was an act of genocide of millions of Jewish people. I feel that trying to liken the two is silly, and shows an inherent bias in an approach to both Global Warming and the Holocaust. But, that's my opinion. I believe most individuals would side with me here. Is that the case here at a liberal rock band's message board? Probably not... but, outside this bubble... it is.
Second, I am not hell bent on convincing anyone of anything. I am simply adding a piece to a discussion on a important topic; a topic that's typically muted in favor of one conceptual theory. Just because you don't like the fact that there are individuals who don't believe Global Warming is quite the problem that you do, does not make them any less credible or you any more credible. In fact, I would say, not listening to those who possess a different theory on the subject means you lack an open mind. A discussion on any theory, which we are attempting to be prove empirically, should involve a two-way dialogue.... not a one-way monologue. Your post, may provide evidence that you don't want to hear any information from the other side. That's not a good thing in my humble opinion, because it shows that if there were credible statistics disproving this theory, you most likely would not listen anyway.
lukin2006 ... the national park service in the states is no longer selling bottled water in the grand canyon ... that is huge statement ... first, it was a significant expense to put in all these extra fountains and second, i'm pretty sure they generated quite a bit of revenue from bottled water sales ...
First, in my opinion, the concept of Global Warming and the Holocaust are not similar at all. One is a theory, with some empirical data backing it up, yet with some empirical holes in their methodology and data. The other was an act of genocide of millions of Jewish people. I feel that trying to liken the two is silly, and shows an inherent bias in an approach to both Global Warming and the Holocaust. But, that's my opinion. I believe most individuals would side with me here.
Second, I am not hell bent on convincing anyone of anything. I am simply adding a piece to a discussion on a important topic; a topic that's typically muted in favor of one conceptual theory. Just because you don't like the fact that there are individuals who don't believe Global Warming is quite the problem that you do, does not make them any less credible or you any more credible. In fact, I would say, not listening to those who possess a different theory on the subject means you lack an open mind. A discussion on any theory, which we are attempting to be prove empirically, should involve a two-way dialogue.... not a one-way monologue. Your post, may provide evidence that you don't want to hear any information from the other side. That's not a good thing in my humble opinion, because it shows that if there were credible statistics disproving this theory, you most likely would not listen anyway.
Enjoy.
but the problem is that you are not posting credible discussion points ... you are posting lies and propaganda pieces ... you want to be a shill for big oil ... so, be it ... at least admit to it instead of under this false guise of contributing to an important discussion ... especially on a topic you still choose not to educate yourself on ...
First, in my opinion, the concept of Global Warming and the Holocaust are not similar at all. One is a theory, with some empirical data backing it up, yet with some empirical holes in their methodology and data. The other was an act of genocide of millions of Jewish people. I feel that trying to liken the two is silly, and shows an inherent bias in an approach to both Global Warming and the Holocaust. But, that's my opinion. I believe most individuals would side with me here.
Second, I am not hell bent on convincing anyone of anything. I am simply adding a piece to a discussion on a important topic; a topic that's typically muted in favor of one conceptual theory. Just because you don't like the fact that there are individuals who don't believe Global Warming is quite the problem that you do, does not make them any less credible or you any more credible. In fact, I would say, not listening to those who possess a different theory on the subject means you lack an open mind. A discussion on any theory, which we are attempting to be prove empirically, should involve a two-way dialogue.... not a one-way monologue. Your post, may provide evidence that you don't want to hear any information from the other side. That's not a good thing in my humble opinion, because it shows that if there were credible statistics disproving this theory, you most likely would not listen anyway.
Enjoy.
but the problem is that you are not posting credible discussion points ... you are posting lies and propaganda pieces ... you want to be a shill for big oil ... so, be it ... at least admit to it instead of under this false guise of contributing to an important discussion ... especially on a topic you still choose not to educate yourself on ...
Ha ha ha.. you crack me up. You claim anyone who doesn't fully back Global Warming is a liar or is selling propaganda. You went as far to claim I'm a troll? Really? If so, you're a troll. Everyone here is a troll, unless they completely agree? You kidding?
You have to get your head out of the sand. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue. You go spouting that putting forward new information on a subject is bad. Are you planning on burning books you don't agree with next?
Some pet pet peeves of mine I would like to see addressed is bottled water, why are people buying it by the caseload still? Packaging why are so many companies still using the hard non recyclable plastic? However I have made 2 purchases recently where almost all the packaging was cardboard (HP Printer, Western Digital hard drive, good for those companies). Is it time for the government to legislate packing material, force water bottle manufacturers and beverage manufacturers to pit a deposit on there products?
Right to the bold part! It's more feasible to put a filter on your water pump or even your fridge than buying bottled water! I don't get it either. And I agree with you with the need for people to move past the global warming "debate". Focusing on sides solves absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I agree focusing on sides will solve nothing...myself I'm past that...weather you believe it's real or not, we all should want a cleaner less polluted earth.
I got a Brita water filter on my tap, plus the Brita water bottle with a filter, works real well.
Who's behind the sudden influx of info about Fluoride beside so dangerous? the bottle water industry? I pretty much grew up with fluoride in drinking water. Or its suddenly so dangerous, probably too late for me.
I've just read and heard lots about it the last two months or so, or more than usual. Just makes me wonder if water sales were slowing and that industry was behind the influx of info.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
You don't believe all big pharma stats, right? Why? Well, most doubters would say because they gain monetarily off the statistics. Basically, they have a huge stake in the outcome. Hmmm... well, global warming "scientists" gain off of their stats, too. Their career is based on the theory living on. That's my sole point and has been all along throughout this thread.
I never once said, it's an outright lie. I said there's reason to doubt it.... anyone who doesn't, doesn't know science (or statistics, for that matter).
P.S. Having a cheeseburger won't kill you.
soo ... a major drug company that will earn billions of dollars is the same as a climate scientist at some university ... :roll:
for crying out loud ... again - based on these attitudes ... no one should ever be trusted ...
it really does go back to the lack of critical thinking ... you folks want to question global warming - so, be it ... but at least take the time to figure out what it is so you can question it ...
Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
First, I want to highlight something. Theories are theory… unless proven in one increment by statistics. Science is taking a hypothesis and testing it. My point on statistics is that stats can be fudged, and my other point is that there’s incentives for “climatologists” to do just that. All along my hope was to guide you into seeing that you’re “I’m 100% right on my feelings without any doubt and I’d bet my life on it” thoughts here may be less than 100%, even closer to 99% would be more reasonable. But, you’re sold on “theory”. Basically, the original article did just that, they said don’t base policy on this theory right now. I, personally, think we should certainly avoid evident pollution (oil spill, etc), but I don't think policy should be centered around the issue of Global Warming.
Second, as for specifics…
I’d answer your questions with… I’m not 100% sure, besides the first one.
It’s important to mention that even you stated “believe” in your question for part 2 (which is clearly a theory), and for question 3, that would be heavily answered with statistics. All of this gets to my points earlier in the thread.
Anyway, I have other questions…
Why, despite increasing greenhouse gases, did the rise in the earth’s temperature stall for 10 plus years? Are greenhouse gases the driver of climate? If there’s warming, which there hasn’t been for ten or so years, how would we know it’s caused by us? Could it be caused by solar influences? Does cloud movement, sun radiation and heat from the ocean play any part here? How much of a role does CO2 play when it’s relatively small portion of the atmosphere? What’s causation and what’s correlation? Do other planets follow our cooling or warming?
Most importantly,... how do scientists properly account for all of these variables and controls when proving, with 100% certainty, that this phenomenon is occurring constantly and we are the one's causing it.
I’m sure there are more questions too.
and again - based on this attitude ... we should do nothing about anything science teaches us ... what you are doing is arguing semantics in the face of an actual debate on the topic ... based on this - we should let people smoke wherever they want, we should be allowed to put toxic waste in your backyard ... you want to feed your kids food laced with lead? ... those scientific findings were all made with the same level of certainty if not less and also made by scientists who require grants ... so, can't be trusted right?
all your questions have been answered ... look it up yourself ... if you can't bother to educate yourself on global warming and instead want to start threads that are based on lies and mistruths - that's very disingenuous ...
lukin2006 ... the national park service in the states is no longer selling bottled water in the grand canyon ... that is huge statement ... first, it was a significant expense to put in all these extra fountains and second, i'm pretty sure they generated quite a bit of revenue from bottled water sales ...
that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.
I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles ...return to beer store...I read that they use 1 beer bottle 6 times...then i assume they must have a process to recycle it into more beer bottles.
Actually I do far more than that.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Ha ha ha.. you crack me up. You claim anyone who doesn't fully back Global Warming is a liar or is selling propaganda. You went as far to claim I'm a troll? Really? If so, you're a troll. Everyone here is a troll, unless they completely agree? You kidding?
You have to get your head out of the sand. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue. You go spouting that putting forward new information on a subject is bad. Are you planning on burning books you don't agree with next?
i would love a discussion ... but all you do is post propaganda pieces and lies ... do you not see how infuriating it is when you have absolutely zero independent thought on the subject and all you do is post links that are consistently proven to be lies!??
again - go educate yourself on global warming ... form an articulate position based on your own critical thinking ... and contribute to the discussion ...
posting links that are proven to be lies just continues to prove my point ... and by not responding to them and just doing it over and over again IS TROLLING ...
that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.
I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles ...return to beer store...I read that they use 1 beer bottle 6 times...then i assume they must have a process to recycle it into more beer bottles.
Actually I do far more than that.
yeah ... if they can identify the waste stream ... and its primarily one type ... they can upcycle or recycle it pretty easily ... its why they separate the dark bottles from the green ones from the transparent ones ...
that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.
I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles ...return to beer store...I read that they use 1 beer bottle 6 times...then i assume they must have a process to recycle it into more beer bottles.
Actually I do far more than that.
yeah ... if they can identify the waste stream ... and its primarily one type ... they can upcycle or recycle it pretty easily ... its why they separate the dark bottles from the green ones from the transparent ones ...
Everything I've read about the beer store recycling seems to be mostly positive...which is good :thumbup:.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Ha ha ha.. you crack me up. You claim anyone who doesn't fully back Global Warming is a liar or is selling propaganda. You went as far to claim I'm a troll? Really? If so, you're a troll. Everyone here is a troll, unless they completely agree? You kidding?
You have to get your head out of the sand. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue. You go spouting that putting forward new information on a subject is bad. Are you planning on burning books you don't agree with next?
i would love a discussion ... but all you do is post propaganda pieces and lies ... do you not see how infuriating it is when you have absolutely zero independent thought on the subject and all you do is post links that are consistently proven to be lies!??
again - go educate yourself on global warming ... form an articulate position based on your own critical thinking ... and contribute to the discussion ...
posting links that are proven to be lies just continues to prove my point ... and by not responding to them and just doing it over and over again IS TROLLING ...
You don't want a discussion. You want me to completely agree with what you've trained yourself to "know" is certainty.
In a real world, every single thing you post on this subject could be considered "propaganda and lies" as much as anything I have posted on it or anyone else posts on the subject. In many cases there's entities behind those who come up with the research you bring to the table, and I'd admit that in many cases there are entities behind those who come up with the research which I've brought to the table. As I've stated earlier in the thread, you aren't doing the research, so you just "trust" it's right. I'm saying, "I don't know the answer here, but you're brainwashed if you don't at least question whether your position could be wrong".
In that sense, the concept of propaganda and lies depends on your position on the subject. If we stick with this framework mentioned above, you post propaganda and lies on this subject. You claim you have independent thought, but you aren't willing to consider the proposition that you're theory could be wrong. You immediately dismiss any subject matter brought to the table, in most cases without properly refuting the subject matter and just saying "it's lies and propaganda" and that "you've already refuted similar topics". If you do dig into the matter and do respond, you claim that the person posting needs to educate themselves, as if you're superior in intelligence or something.
My posts and presence here is not for you. You can dislike that I occasionally post because it falls against a policy or concept that you feel fervent about. Further, you certainly can discuss what you don't like or what you feel is non-factual. But, to claim that posting anything that you don't agree with is trolling just because you don't like it, is down right nonsensical and not only shows emotional immaturity, it shows a lack of an open mind. This is a political forum. Not everyone agrees. You want the subject of Global Warming, and the debate associated, to be closed. The reality is it's not and, most likely, won't be in our lifetime.
do'h i just saw that inlet had posted the 3 from drudge today already
more propaganda and lies, the mountains must be for big oil.
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"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates
Do you know there are 'intellects' that deny the Holocaust?
You seem Hell bent on trying to convince people we are overreacting to global warming. Is this to ease your anxiety or do you actually believe it?
First, in my opinion, the concept of Global Warming and the Holocaust are not similar at all. One is a theory, with some empirical data backing it up, yet with some empirical holes in their methodology and data. The other was an act of genocide of millions of Jewish people. I feel that trying to liken the two is silly, and shows an inherent bias in an approach to both Global Warming and the Holocaust. But, that's my opinion. I believe most individuals would side with me here. Is that the case here at a liberal rock band's message board? Probably not... but, outside this bubble... it is.
Second, I am not hell bent on convincing anyone of anything. I am simply adding a piece to a discussion on a important topic; a topic that's typically muted in favor of one conceptual theory. Just because you don't like the fact that there are individuals who don't believe Global Warming is quite the problem that you do, does not make them any less credible or you any more credible. In fact, I would say, not listening to those who possess a different theory on the subject means you lack an open mind. A discussion on any theory, which we are attempting to be prove empirically, should involve a two-way dialogue.... not a one-way monologue. Your post, may provide evidence that you don't want to hear any information from the other side. That's not a good thing in my humble opinion, because it shows that if there were credible statistics disproving this theory, you most likely would not listen anyway.
Enjoy.
Duh. Of course they are different. This wasn't my point. My point was that people can believe what they want to believe. With all your talking, you're not doing enough listening. You're set in your mind.
And, you are wrong, sir. One is not void of an open mind when they choose to ignore people speaking nonsense. Just as I do not humour some religious groups that knock on my door unannounced, I choose to ignore rhetoric from misguided people.
I get it. Go ahead and ignore climate change. In the meantime, I will try to limit my consumption patterns and- in fact- I'll do a little extra to make up for people like you.
Enjoy... the world people like Polaris are preserving for you and your kin.
why do you insist on claiming that there's a debate on the "warming" aspect? there isn't.
this is like trying to listen to a Christian debate God.... it is just as logical.
why don't you respond to the post? It's debt that's causing "warming".
P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.
you say that like it is a fact, when in reality it is an incredibly misguided opinion.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
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My head hurts. Could it be that banging it against my desk is a bad idea? Much like ignoring the overwhelming evidence of global warming is a bad idea. I need some ibuprofen,
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
why don't you respond to the post? It's debt that's causing "warming".
P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.
why should he respond when you don't respond? ... in your own thread?
i would love to hear what you think about the guy who took the metoffice information and completely distorted it? ... but alas - it's crickets on those points from you because you don't know what the heck anyone is talking about ... your inability to discuss the points in the articles you posted while still simultaneously perpetuating propaganda is a clear indication of your indoctrination ... it shouldn't be a surprise considering your viewpoints on other topics ... you want to call me close minded but yet you don't even understand the things you are posting and are strictly posting it because it supports your biased and unfortunately ignorant view point ...
P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.
more proof of your ignorance and gullibility ... that is a false statement any which way you cut it ... it's a lie which is essentially what you've been posting in this thread from the get go ...
Relative to that backdrop, believing that climate change is a scam cooked up by scientists to get grant money and/or by liberals to create global government — a scam that has fooled every major scientific institution and most of the world’s politicians — hell, that’s easy.
The chances of anyone, no matter how adept or empathetic a communicator, penetrating that thicket of resentment, martyrdom, and fantasy and extracting climate sanity just strike me as … slim. This is a demographic death rattle. It just has to play out.
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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/08/earths-polar-ice-melting-less-than-thought
New research - Himalaya's and nearby peaks have lost no ice in the past 10 years:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains?intcmp=122
Researcher - "I feel duped on climate change"
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html
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Do you know there are 'intellects' that deny the Holocaust?
You seem Hell bent on trying to convince people we are overreacting to global warming. Is this to ease your anxiety or do you actually believe it?
Some pet pet peeves of mine I would like to see addressed is bottled water, why are people buying it by the caseload still? Packaging why are so many companies still using the hard non recyclable plastic? However I have made 2 purchases recently where almost all the packaging was cardboard (HP Printer, Western Digital hard drive, good for those companies). Is it time for the government to legislate packing material, force water bottle manufacturers and beverage manufacturers to pit a deposit on there products?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Right to the bold part! It's more feasible to put a filter on your water pump or even your fridge than buying bottled water! I don't get it either. And I agree with you with the need for people to move past the global warming "debate". Focusing on sides solves absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
i know it's being thrown out a lot lately but these posts are essentially trolling posts ... right from the get go - i told him that his just pasting links was disingenuous because they all lacked credibility ... proving it also ... then last week he posts an article that was clearly taken out of context and i proved it again ... and he doesn't comment on it ... and now he posts more bs articles that do nothing to combat the science behind global warming ... he even has the gall to post an article about a guy who actually worked fro SHELL oil ...
it's like me starting a thread about how cigarettes are good for people ... and then just continue to post links put forth by the tobacco industry ...
it's sad and regrettable that he chooses this approach ... :(
First, in my opinion, the concept of Global Warming and the Holocaust are not similar at all. One is a theory, with some empirical data backing it up, yet with some empirical holes in their methodology and data. The other was an act of genocide of millions of Jewish people. I feel that trying to liken the two is silly, and shows an inherent bias in an approach to both Global Warming and the Holocaust. But, that's my opinion. I believe most individuals would side with me here. Is that the case here at a liberal rock band's message board? Probably not... but, outside this bubble... it is.
Second, I am not hell bent on convincing anyone of anything. I am simply adding a piece to a discussion on a important topic; a topic that's typically muted in favor of one conceptual theory. Just because you don't like the fact that there are individuals who don't believe Global Warming is quite the problem that you do, does not make them any less credible or you any more credible. In fact, I would say, not listening to those who possess a different theory on the subject means you lack an open mind. A discussion on any theory, which we are attempting to be prove empirically, should involve a two-way dialogue.... not a one-way monologue. Your post, may provide evidence that you don't want to hear any information from the other side. That's not a good thing in my humble opinion, because it shows that if there were credible statistics disproving this theory, you most likely would not listen anyway.
Enjoy.
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but the problem is that you are not posting credible discussion points ... you are posting lies and propaganda pieces ... you want to be a shill for big oil ... so, be it ... at least admit to it instead of under this false guise of contributing to an important discussion ... especially on a topic you still choose not to educate yourself on ...
Ha ha ha.. you crack me up. You claim anyone who doesn't fully back Global Warming is a liar or is selling propaganda. You went as far to claim I'm a troll? Really? If so, you're a troll. Everyone here is a troll, unless they completely agree? You kidding?
You have to get your head out of the sand. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue. You go spouting that putting forward new information on a subject is bad. Are you planning on burning books you don't agree with next?
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I agree focusing on sides will solve nothing...myself I'm past that...weather you believe it's real or not, we all should want a cleaner less polluted earth.
I got a Brita water filter on my tap, plus the Brita water bottle with a filter, works real well.
Who's behind the sudden influx of info about Fluoride beside so dangerous? the bottle water industry? I pretty much grew up with fluoride in drinking water. Or its suddenly so dangerous, probably too late for me.
I've just read and heard lots about it the last two months or so, or more than usual. Just makes me wonder if water sales were slowing and that industry was behind the influx of info.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
why don't you respond to this then?
or this?
or this?
that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.
I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles
Actually I do far more than that.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
i would love a discussion ... but all you do is post propaganda pieces and lies ... do you not see how infuriating it is when you have absolutely zero independent thought on the subject and all you do is post links that are consistently proven to be lies!??
again - go educate yourself on global warming ... form an articulate position based on your own critical thinking ... and contribute to the discussion ...
posting links that are proven to be lies just continues to prove my point ... and by not responding to them and just doing it over and over again IS TROLLING ...
yeah ... if they can identify the waste stream ... and its primarily one type ... they can upcycle or recycle it pretty easily ... its why they separate the dark bottles from the green ones from the transparent ones ...
Everything I've read about the beer store recycling seems to be mostly positive...which is good :thumbup:.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
You don't want a discussion. You want me to completely agree with what you've trained yourself to "know" is certainty.
In a real world, every single thing you post on this subject could be considered "propaganda and lies" as much as anything I have posted on it or anyone else posts on the subject. In many cases there's entities behind those who come up with the research you bring to the table, and I'd admit that in many cases there are entities behind those who come up with the research which I've brought to the table. As I've stated earlier in the thread, you aren't doing the research, so you just "trust" it's right. I'm saying, "I don't know the answer here, but you're brainwashed if you don't at least question whether your position could be wrong".
In that sense, the concept of propaganda and lies depends on your position on the subject. If we stick with this framework mentioned above, you post propaganda and lies on this subject. You claim you have independent thought, but you aren't willing to consider the proposition that you're theory could be wrong. You immediately dismiss any subject matter brought to the table, in most cases without properly refuting the subject matter and just saying "it's lies and propaganda" and that "you've already refuted similar topics". If you do dig into the matter and do respond, you claim that the person posting needs to educate themselves, as if you're superior in intelligence or something.
My posts and presence here is not for you. You can dislike that I occasionally post because it falls against a policy or concept that you feel fervent about. Further, you certainly can discuss what you don't like or what you feel is non-factual. But, to claim that posting anything that you don't agree with is trolling just because you don't like it, is down right nonsensical and not only shows emotional immaturity, it shows a lack of an open mind. This is a political forum. Not everyone agrees. You want the subject of Global Warming, and the debate associated, to be closed. The reality is it's not and, most likely, won't be in our lifetime.
This is a possibility, IMHO:
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0907/global-warming-demotivational-poster-1247925266.jpg
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more propaganda and lies, the mountains must be for big oil.
— Socrates
Duh. Of course they are different. This wasn't my point. My point was that people can believe what they want to believe. With all your talking, you're not doing enough listening. You're set in your mind.
And, you are wrong, sir. One is not void of an open mind when they choose to ignore people speaking nonsense. Just as I do not humour some religious groups that knock on my door unannounced, I choose to ignore rhetoric from misguided people.
I get it. Go ahead and ignore climate change. In the meantime, I will try to limit my consumption patterns and- in fact- I'll do a little extra to make up for people like you.
Enjoy... the world people like Polaris are preserving for you and your kin.
http://silveristhenew.com/2012/01/11/soaring-debt-to-gdp-is-more-reponsible-for-global-warming-than-rising-co2-levels/
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why do you insist on claiming that there's a debate on the "warming" aspect? there isn't.
this is like trying to listen to a Christian debate God.... it is just as logical.
You can't reason with an unreasonable person, he still stands.
why don't you respond to the post? It's debt that's causing "warming".
P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.
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you say that like it is a fact, when in reality it is an incredibly misguided opinion.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
why should he respond when you don't respond? ... in your own thread?
i would love to hear what you think about the guy who took the metoffice information and completely distorted it? ... but alas - it's crickets on those points from you because you don't know what the heck anyone is talking about ... your inability to discuss the points in the articles you posted while still simultaneously perpetuating propaganda is a clear indication of your indoctrination ... it shouldn't be a surprise considering your viewpoints on other topics ... you want to call me close minded but yet you don't even understand the things you are posting and are strictly posting it because it supports your biased and unfortunately ignorant view point ...
more proof of your ignorance and gullibility ... that is a false statement any which way you cut it ... it's a lie which is essentially what you've been posting in this thread from the get go ...
http://grist.org/climate-change/cohort- ... -will-die/