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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Amongst the Ani said:

    Jason P said:

    Jim Caldwell out master-minded Chuck Pagano yesterday in the closing minutes of the Lions / Colts game ...

    When this happens you should be banned from coaching in the NFL.
    That is what I was thinking. I really think it would be beneficial for coaches with poor clock management skills to run 2 minute drills on Madden over and over.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    Degeneratefk said:

    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    pjsteelerfan said:

    Jason P said:

    It appears the Panthers started a human pinata in the 2nd half ...

    image

    some of those guys paychecks are going to be a little lighter next week
    I need to see it in slow mo but looks like he lead with a shoulder on that hit. I don't like seeing players get hurt but QB's now are such pussies as a whole. Brady and Manning were the worst in that regards and is why in my opinion neither can ever be considered the greatest of all time. Top 5 ever, sure. But they didn't endure the legal pounding Montana took.
    Oh stop it with your homerism. Someday, even niner fans are going to have to accept the fact that Brady is better than montana. It is just a fact.
    Jim Kelly couldn't carry Joe Montana's jock.
    Dumb
    Not Dumb.
    Using your logic, Brady deserves more credit than Montana for leading his team to 6 SBs. This thinking asserts that there is value is getting to SBs and losing. Jim Kelly got to 4 SBs, but was never good enough to win any of them.
    Jim Kelly, credit him as much as you like for getting to 4 SBs, could not carry Joe Montana's (he of the 4/4 SB winning appearances) jock.
    Brady gets 4? In my opinion he will then have surpassed Montana. Until then? He just fucks hotter/richer women and balls like a champ. Not better than Joe Cool.
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  • pjhawks
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    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    pjsteelerfan said:

    Jason P said:

    It appears the Panthers started a human pinata in the 2nd half ...

    image

    some of those guys paychecks are going to be a little lighter next week
    I need to see it in slow mo but looks like he lead with a shoulder on that hit. I don't like seeing players get hurt but QB's now are such pussies as a whole. Brady and Manning were the worst in that regards and is why in my opinion neither can ever be considered the greatest of all time. Top 5 ever, sure. But they didn't endure the legal pounding Montana took.
    Oh stop it with your homerism. Someday, even niner fans are going to have to accept the fact that Brady is better than montana. It is just a fact.
    Jim Kelly couldn't carry Joe Montana's jock.
    Dumb
    Not Dumb.
    Using your logic, Brady deserves more credit than Montana for leading his team to 6 SBs. This thinking asserts that there is value is getting to SBs and losing. Jim Kelly got to 4 SBs, but was never good enough to win any of them.
    Jim Kelly, credit him as much as you like for getting to 4 SBs, could not carry Joe Montana's (he of the 4/4 SB winning appearances) jock.
    Brady gets 4? In my opinion he will then have surpassed Montana. Until then? He just fucks hotter/richer women and balls like a champ. Not better than Joe Cool.
    Montana's wife was hot back in the day.

    judging QBs by Super Bowl appearances or Super Bowl wins is just too simplistic. Marino never won one and he was one of the best. Doug Williams, Mark Rypien and Brad Johnson won titles and they were average or worse. Jim Kelly didn't become a worse QB because Scott Norwood missed a field goal.

    Personally I think Brady is better than Montana. and that hurts because i dislike the man and the fact that he and his team cheats.
  • Degeneratefk
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    I'm not claiming Kelly is better than montana. To say he couldn't hold his jock though, well, it's just silly.
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  • The Juggler
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    Is Jimmy Garoppola the next Steve Young?
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    edited September 2016
    Degeneratefk said:

    I'm not claiming Kelly is better than montana. To say he couldn't hold his jock though, well, it's just silly.

    Fair enough....I put Winners in a different category than those who do not win in the clutch.
    Getting outplayed by Jeff Hostetler is not a free pass to say that Wide Right was the reason they lost the game. (We know it was the last reason.)
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    The Juggler said:

    Is Jimmy Garoppola the next Steve Young?

    Maybe the next Steve Beuerlein. Belichick should get a contract commission from any QB or coordinator that flushes through his system.
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  • igotid88
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    The Pats are 12-5 when Brady was unable to play.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    The Juggler said:

    Is Jimmy Garoppola the next Steve Young?

    no
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Brady has 4 SB wins and will soon have a fifth.
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  • Poncier
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    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    pjsteelerfan said:

    Jason P said:

    It appears the Panthers started a human pinata in the 2nd half ...

    image

    some of those guys paychecks are going to be a little lighter next week
    I need to see it in slow mo but looks like he lead with a shoulder on that hit. I don't like seeing players get hurt but QB's now are such pussies as a whole. Brady and Manning were the worst in that regards and is why in my opinion neither can ever be considered the greatest of all time. Top 5 ever, sure. But they didn't endure the legal pounding Montana took.
    Oh stop it with your homerism. Someday, even niner fans are going to have to accept the fact that Brady is better than montana. It is just a fact.
    Jim Kelly couldn't carry Joe Montana's jock.
    Dumb
    Not Dumb.
    Using your logic, Brady deserves more credit than Montana for leading his team to 6 SBs. This thinking asserts that there is value is getting to SBs and losing. Jim Kelly got to 4 SBs, but was never good enough to win any of them.
    Jim Kelly, credit him as much as you like for getting to 4 SBs, could not carry Joe Montana's (he of the 4/4 SB winning appearances) jock.
    Brady gets 4? In my opinion he will then have surpassed Montana. Until then? He just fucks hotter/richer women and balls like a champ. Not better than Joe Cool.
    Um, Brady has 4.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    pjsteelerfan said:

    Jason P said:

    It appears the Panthers started a human pinata in the 2nd half ...

    image

    some of those guys paychecks are going to be a little lighter next week
    I need to see it in slow mo but looks like he lead with a shoulder on that hit. I don't like seeing players get hurt but QB's now are such pussies as a whole. Brady and Manning were the worst in that regards and is why in my opinion neither can ever be considered the greatest of all time. Top 5 ever, sure. But they didn't endure the legal pounding Montana took.
    Oh stop it with your homerism. Someday, even niner fans are going to have to accept the fact that Brady is better than montana. It is just a fact.
    Jim Kelly couldn't carry Joe Montana's jock.
    Dumb
    Not Dumb.
    Using your logic, Brady deserves more credit than Montana for leading his team to 6 SBs. This thinking asserts that there is value is getting to SBs and losing. Jim Kelly got to 4 SBs, but was never good enough to win any of them.
    Jim Kelly, credit him as much as you like for getting to 4 SBs, could not carry Joe Montana's (he of the 4/4 SB winning appearances) jock.
    Brady gets 4? In my opinion he will then have surpassed Montana. Until then? He just fucks hotter/richer women and balls like a champ. Not better than Joe Cool.
    I think his logic is that Super Bowl appearances could be used a good tie-breaker if two QBs have the same amount of victories. Like, I'd consider Brady at 4-2 to be more impressive than Montana at 4-0. Or John Elway at 2-3 is more impressive than Eli Manning at 2-0.
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    Given multiple appearances with equal number of victories, undefeated should always be more impressive.
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  • ed243421
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    HesCalledDyer said:

    Given multiple appearances with equal number of victories, undefeated should always be more impressive.

    So Eli is better than elway?
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited September 2016
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Given multiple appearances with equal number of victories, undefeated should always be more impressive.

    I completely disagree. You don't just appear in the championship through a random drawing. You earn your way there and it's tough to do it.

    I once saw an e-mail in Bill Simmons' mailbag that I found interesting. The e-mailer noted that, for legacy reasons, a player/team is almost better off not making the playoffs (or Super Bowl) than getting there and losing. The e-mailer, like myself, disagreed with this. But from the perspective of the media, and some fans (like yourself), I see what he means. Take Jim Plunkett for example. He's 8-2 in the playoffs. Well that means he only got his team to the playoffs 4 times. All his other seasons were a wash. So is he better than Peyton Manning who's 14-13 in the playoffs? That record means that Manning has led his team to the playoffs 15 times. But, like Simmons' e-mailer said, it seems that being consistently good enough to make the playoffs and great once in a while to win the Super Bowl isn't as good for your reputation as being great enough once or twice to win the Super Bowl and shitty all the other times. You lose in week 17 to miss the playoffs, nobody remembers. You lose in the conference championship, you're a choker. Weird.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    edited September 2016
    ed243421 said:

    HesCalledDyer said:

    Given multiple appearances with equal number of victories, undefeated should always be more impressive.

    So Eli is better than elway?
    For the last freakin time, that is not what I'm saying. At all.

    But yes, Eli has a more impressive Super Bowl record than Elway.

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    Elway 2-3 0.400
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    Poncier said:

    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    F Me In The Brain said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    pjsteelerfan said:

    Jason P said:

    It appears the Panthers started a human pinata in the 2nd half ...

    image

    some of those guys paychecks are going to be a little lighter next week
    I need to see it in slow mo but looks like he lead with a shoulder on that hit. I don't like seeing players get hurt but QB's now are such pussies as a whole. Brady and Manning were the worst in that regards and is why in my opinion neither can ever be considered the greatest of all time. Top 5 ever, sure. But they didn't endure the legal pounding Montana took.
    Oh stop it with your homerism. Someday, even niner fans are going to have to accept the fact that Brady is better than montana. It is just a fact.
    Jim Kelly couldn't carry Joe Montana's jock.
    Dumb
    Not Dumb.
    Using your logic, Brady deserves more credit than Montana for leading his team to 6 SBs. This thinking asserts that there is value is getting to SBs and losing. Jim Kelly got to 4 SBs, but was never good enough to win any of them.
    Jim Kelly, credit him as much as you like for getting to 4 SBs, could not carry Joe Montana's (he of the 4/4 SB winning appearances) jock.
    Brady gets 4? In my opinion he will then have surpassed Montana. Until then? He just fucks hotter/richer women and balls like a champ. Not better than Joe Cool.
    Um, Brady has 4.
    OK. Dumb. (My post) I meant when he wins number 5 he will have surpassed Montana.
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  • The Juggler
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    igotid88 said:

    The Pats are 12-5 when Brady was unable to play.

    Coaching is just...better in NE
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    RG III's career with the Browns didn't last too long. :lol:

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  • igotid88
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    The Juggler said:

    igotid88 said:

    The Pats are 12-5 when Brady was unable to play.

    Coaching is just...better in NE
    Usually when a team loses their starting qb they'd be lucky to be .500. But when you don't lose a step. Does that devalue Brady some?
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