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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,973

    HAHA!
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,973
    pjhawks said:
    tbergs said:
    And for what it's worth, people dissing Belichek as not factoring in to the team being successful must not have ever suffered under poor coaching in any sport they played. An individual player in any sport can be great and lead his or her team to a successful season, but more often than not, they need a great coach to achieve a championship. I saw someone mention Phil Jackson as an example of someone benefitting from having great players, but it goes both ways. Neither the Lakers nor Bulls would have won as many championships (and weren't) without Jackson at the helm. A great coach also can't make a championship team with only 1 good player. The system Belichek created in NE works just as well as the system Jackson created in Chicago and LA worked. Lebron is a great player, but how many championships would he have if he had played for a team coached by someone like Jackson? A hell of a lot more. How about Malone and Stockton? There are examples all over sports history of players and coaches hosed by lacking the right chemistry in the locker room coupled with a great leader. We usually only hear about the players being hosed, but there are a lot of great coaches who suffered under subpar talent or egotistical stars and never got a championship before being canned or retiring. 
    This is all correct.

    And there's only one person dissing Belichek here....
    where the fuck am i dissing Belichick? jeezus you got a be a fucking moron to think he's not winning more because he has the greatest QB of all fucking time.  My god is this hard to fucking understand?  did Phil Jackson not win more because he had Michael fucking Jordan? even you can't be that fucking dumb or stubborn to admit that.  my god...
    Well, would Tom have as many rings if Andy Reid or Marty Schottenheimer was his coach? Hell no. They all benefited from having each other and that coach, and GM in most cases, helped build the team they needed.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,697
    tbergs said:
    pjhawks said:
    tbergs said:
    And for what it's worth, people dissing Belichek as not factoring in to the team being successful must not have ever suffered under poor coaching in any sport they played. An individual player in any sport can be great and lead his or her team to a successful season, but more often than not, they need a great coach to achieve a championship. I saw someone mention Phil Jackson as an example of someone benefitting from having great players, but it goes both ways. Neither the Lakers nor Bulls would have won as many championships (and weren't) without Jackson at the helm. A great coach also can't make a championship team with only 1 good player. The system Belichek created in NE works just as well as the system Jackson created in Chicago and LA worked. Lebron is a great player, but how many championships would he have if he had played for a team coached by someone like Jackson? A hell of a lot more. How about Malone and Stockton? There are examples all over sports history of players and coaches hosed by lacking the right chemistry in the locker room coupled with a great leader. We usually only hear about the players being hosed, but there are a lot of great coaches who suffered under subpar talent or egotistical stars and never got a championship before being canned or retiring. 
    This is all correct.

    And there's only one person dissing Belichek here....
    where the fuck am i dissing Belichick? jeezus you got a be a fucking moron to think he's not winning more because he has the greatest QB of all fucking time.  My god is this hard to fucking understand?  did Phil Jackson not win more because he had Michael fucking Jordan? even you can't be that fucking dumb or stubborn to admit that.  my god...
    Well, would Tom have as many rings if Andy Reid or Marty Schottenheimer was his coach? Hell no. They all benefited from having each other and that coach, and GM in most cases, helped build the team they needed.
    Brady has a better chance of having the same number or rings with almost any other coach than Belichick has of have as many with any other QB.  how is this even disputable?  

    is there QB around you think Belichick was winning this many AFC Titles other than Brady?   isn't the 14 games under .500 before Brady took over a telling stat?

  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,053
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,191
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    You put TB12 in Cleveland and they ain’t having the same level of success. You put mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. You put TB12  and mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. It takes more than the greatest coach and qb of all time. Way more.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,904
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    You put TB12 in Cleveland and they ain’t having the same level of success. You put mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. You put TB12  and mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. It takes more than the greatest coach and qb of all time. Way more.
    This would be correct. (Why are you and I agreeing so much today?)
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,973
    pjhawks said:
    tbergs said:
    pjhawks said:
    tbergs said:
    And for what it's worth, people dissing Belichek as not factoring in to the team being successful must not have ever suffered under poor coaching in any sport they played. An individual player in any sport can be great and lead his or her team to a successful season, but more often than not, they need a great coach to achieve a championship. I saw someone mention Phil Jackson as an example of someone benefitting from having great players, but it goes both ways. Neither the Lakers nor Bulls would have won as many championships (and weren't) without Jackson at the helm. A great coach also can't make a championship team with only 1 good player. The system Belichek created in NE works just as well as the system Jackson created in Chicago and LA worked. Lebron is a great player, but how many championships would he have if he had played for a team coached by someone like Jackson? A hell of a lot more. How about Malone and Stockton? There are examples all over sports history of players and coaches hosed by lacking the right chemistry in the locker room coupled with a great leader. We usually only hear about the players being hosed, but there are a lot of great coaches who suffered under subpar talent or egotistical stars and never got a championship before being canned or retiring. 
    This is all correct.

    And there's only one person dissing Belichek here....
    where the fuck am i dissing Belichick? jeezus you got a be a fucking moron to think he's not winning more because he has the greatest QB of all fucking time.  My god is this hard to fucking understand?  did Phil Jackson not win more because he had Michael fucking Jordan? even you can't be that fucking dumb or stubborn to admit that.  my god...
    Well, would Tom have as many rings if Andy Reid or Marty Schottenheimer was his coach? Hell no. They all benefited from having each other and that coach, and GM in most cases, helped build the team they needed.
    Brady has a better chance of having the same number or rings with almost any other coach than Belichick has of have as many with any other QB.  how is this even disputable?  

    is there QB around you think Belichick was winning this many AFC Titles other than Brady?   isn't the 14 games under .500 before Brady took over a telling stat?

    I guess we just disagree. How many amazing quarterbacks have either never won a SB or only won 1? Brady is lucky to have played for that coach in that division in that geographic market. It takes vision and true leadership to succeed at that level for that long. Few NFL teams have either.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,191
    mcgruff10 said:
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    You put TB12 in Cleveland and they ain’t having the same level of success. You put mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. You put TB12  and mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. It takes more than the greatest coach and qb of all time. Way more.
    This would be correct. (Why are you and I agreeing so much today?)
    Maybe I had ice in my red wine at lunch this afternoon?
     
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549
    One guy is likely the greatest quarterback of all time. 
    The other guy is likely the greatest coach of all time.

    To disparage one or the other means you're on the wrong side of the argument. 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,697
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    14 games under .500 before Brady too over. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549


    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    The second half adjustments alone make him the greatest of all time in my book.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549
    edited January 22
    pjhawks said:
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    14 games under .500 before Brady too over. 
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    Continuing to not acknowledge that the bulk of his time in Cleveland was a rebuild in the days before free agency and then his team was blown up in historic fashion after an 11 win season is a reflection of your poor argument. 

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,904
    mcgruff10 said:
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    You put TB12 in Cleveland and they ain’t having the same level of success. You put mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. You put TB12  and mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. It takes more than the greatest coach and qb of all time. Way more.
    This would be correct. (Why are you and I agreeing so much today?)
    Maybe I had ice in my red wine at lunch this afternoon?
     
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,461
    One guy is likely the greatest quarterback of all time. 
    The other guy is likely the greatest coach of all time.

    To disparage one or the other means you're on the wrong side of the argument. 
    I was off work yesterday for MLK day and when I woke up, I decided to throw on one of those sports "debate" shows to see what people were saying about the two great games on Sunday. I flipped to either ESPN or FS1 (don't remember which but it doesn't matter because they're all the same) and the topic being presented to the talking heads was "How much percentage of the credit do you give to Brady, and how much to Belichick?" I rolled my eyes and threw on Netflix. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549
    One guy is likely the greatest quarterback of all time. 
    The other guy is likely the greatest coach of all time.

    To disparage one or the other means you're on the wrong side of the argument. 
    I was off work yesterday for MLK day and when I woke up, I decided to throw on one of those sports "debate" shows to see what people were saying about the two great games on Sunday. I flipped to either ESPN or FS1 (don't remember which but it doesn't matter because they're all the same) and the topic being presented to the talking heads was "How much percentage of the credit do you give to Brady, and how much to Belichick?" I rolled my eyes and threw on Netflix. 
    Those shows are all garbage. It's essentially sports talk radio on tv 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,697


    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    The second half adjustments alone make him the greatest of all time in my book.

    2nd half adjustments last week weren't so great. blew a 14 point lead not to mention a 3 point lead in about 40 seconds.  fortunately for Bill he got bailed out by Brady :)
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,697
    edited January 22
    pjhawks said:
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    14 games under .500 before Brady too over. 
    C
    O
    N
    T
    E
    X
    T
    is everything.

    Continuing to not acknowledge that the bulk of his time in Cleveland was a rebuild in the days before free agency and then his team was blown up in historic fashion after an 11 win season is a reflection of your poor argument. 

    so context having a bad clevelvand organization is important...but having the greatest QB of all time is not? 
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    some take the context one way and some take the context another way.  we agree to disagree.  to me the greatest QB of all time has a greater effect on the coach then the coach does on the QB.  i guess two ways to look at it.  mine is correct but two ways to look at it :)
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549
    pjhawks said:


    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    The second half adjustments alone make him the greatest of all time in my book.

    2nd half adjustments last week weren't so great. blew a 14 point lead not to mention a 3 point lead in about 40 seconds.  fortunately for Bill he got bailed out by Brady :)
    It’s the team trailing who makes the adjustments dummy...
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,697
    pjhawks said:


    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    The second half adjustments alone make him the greatest of all time in my book.

    2nd half adjustments last week weren't so great. blew a 14 point lead not to mention a 3 point lead in about 40 seconds.  fortunately for Bill he got bailed out by Brady :)
    It’s the team trailing who makes the adjustments dummy...
    so Reid outcoached him because he made better adjustments.  thanks for playing :)
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549
    pjhawks said:
    pjhawks said:


    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    The second half adjustments alone make him the greatest of all time in my book.

    2nd half adjustments last week weren't so great. blew a 14 point lead not to mention a 3 point lead in about 40 seconds.  fortunately for Bill he got bailed out by Brady :)
    It’s the team trailing who makes the adjustments dummy...
    so Reid outcoached him because he made better adjustments.  thanks for playing :)
    Yeah that makes sense. 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,697
    pjhawks said:
    pjhawks said:


    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    The second half adjustments alone make him the greatest of all time in my book.

    2nd half adjustments last week weren't so great. blew a 14 point lead not to mention a 3 point lead in about 40 seconds.  fortunately for Bill he got bailed out by Brady :)
    It’s the team trailing who makes the adjustments dummy...
    so Reid outcoached him because he made better adjustments.  thanks for playing :)
    Yeah that makes sense. 
    it was sarcasm big guy. sorry if that didn't come across. we need a sarcasm font.
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     Unfortunately the only coach Reid got the better of in game of that magnitude was... the legendary Jim Mora Jr. 
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 29,056
    They’re both Fucking turds
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,191
    They’re both Fucking turds
    Mora and Reid? Yea.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,211
    mcgruff10 said:
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?



    In all seriousness, Brady is great.

    Bad Bill is the best coach I have ever seen and I give him more credit than Brady.  Does not mean that I poo on Brady -- he is great.  May be the greatest QB of all time.  I think there is a better case for other QBs being nearly as great as TB12 as other coaches being nearly as great as BBAngry.  Bad Bill is miles beyond any other head coach given how much more complex everything in football is these days and how he has sustained excellence for these years.
    You put TB12 in Cleveland and they ain’t having the same level of success. You put mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. You put TB12  and mad bill in Cleveland and they’re not having the same level of success. It takes more than the greatest coach and qb of all time. Way more.
    This would be correct. (Why are you and I agreeing so much today?)

    maybe he’s been getting laid?
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 25,211
    Brady is great, amazing.  Everyone agrees.  Even people who hate football love Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that god ever created.
    If Tom Brady wants to build a wall, who are we to say no?





    don’s good friend bob could teach him a thing or two about tanning.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,973

    HAHAHA! Too funny.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin South JerseyPosts: 7,161
    Can he just use the same videos from 2001?
    Alright, alright, alright!
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  • SmallestOceansSmallestOceans Posts: 13,118

    Hahaha!!
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