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pjhawks

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

The Juggler

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

SVRDhand13

Did I really just read that the NFL wanted the Giants to win those two SBs?

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

I don't think it has to do with that at all, though I don't like either of those teams.

I'd view it the same way you look at someone who likes the late 90's Yankees but didn't like them before that.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

I don't think it has to do with that at all, though I don't like either of those teams.

I'd view it the same way you look at someone who likes the late 90's Yankees but didn't like them before that.

hmmm. interesting take. I know hawks is always irrationally angry at me for the rivalry reason which is laughable to me. there is zero rivalry between the two teams. none.

i disagree with you because the yankees and lakers and cowboys etc are bandwagon teams that people gravitate to because it's popular to be fans of those teams. I think the pats are kind of anti those teams. just look at all the vitriol people have towards them in here. and it's not like I have a brady jersey or have my car littered with pats bumper stickers. i'm a birds fan first and foremost, obviously.

I just respect their greatness and ability to win year in, year out, while constantly changing their lineups and schemes on an almost weekly basis, especially in salary cap era. as a fan of the sport, they are fascinating to watch. they're an organization I want the eagles to be at some point down the road........well that, and they are the team I have easily made the most money on gambling over the years--including sunday. that was easy money.

igotid88

Every team that wins has bandwagon fans. Patriots as well. Also the Yankees and A-Rod are hated more than the Pats or Brady. Heck even Eli is hated more than Brady even by his own team's fans

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

I don't think it has to do with that at all, though I don't like either of those teams.

I'd view it the same way you look at someone who likes the late 90's Yankees but didn't like them before that.

hmmm. interesting take. I know hawks is always irrationally angry at me for the rivalry reason which is laughable to me. there is zero rivalry between the two teams. none.

i disagree with you because the yankees and lakers and cowboys etc are bandwagon teams that people gravitate to because it's popular to be fans of those teams. I think the pats are kind of anti those teams. just look at all the vitriol people have towards them in here. and it's not like I have a brady jersey or have my car littered with pats bumper stickers. i'm a birds fan first and foremost, obviously.

I just respect their greatness and ability to win year in, year out, while constantly changing their lineups and schemes on an almost weekly basis, especially in salary cap era. as a fan of the sport, they are fascinating to watch. they're an organization I want the eagles to be at some point down the road........well that, and they are the team I have easily made the most money on gambling over the years--including sunday. that was easy money.

when did i ever say it was a rivalry? I just don't get any Eagles fan liking the Pats of hoping they win. Bottom line is there is a chance they cheated us out a Super Bowl and their owner, coach and QB are 3 extremely unlikable human beings. As Cliffy said from a guy who started a fraud fan thread and loves to call people out for their fandom I have to call Fraud on you and the Pats. sorry i don't get it.

the sad part about the Pats, Bellichek and Tom Brady is with Tom Brady at QB they probably don't need to do the underhanded things they do to consistently win yet they still do it. They would probably win just as much if they weren't cheaters but some people are just bad humn beings. I respect Tom Brady as a QB. Maybe the best ever but I've lost all respect for Bellichek and Brady as human beings and as sportsmen. I don't understand anyone outside of Pats fans wanting them to win.

The Juggler

igotid88 said:

Every team that wins has bandwagin fans. Patriots as well.

I think it's actually more bandwagony and fashionable to hate the patriots. the last 9 months have kind of proven that, don't you think? the american people, god love them, were out for blood, and doggonnit, ol' roger goodel was hell bent on giving it to 'em!

Halifax2TheMax

What underhanded things? Because belichek knows the rule book better than the refs? Because he's been involved in the game since he was a kid and meticulously prepares for every aspect of the game? Because he just might be the most brilliant coach to ever play in the game? I'm not on here touting their wins or saying how great they are or bitching that they lost. It's the sour grapers who can't stand the fact that they win time and time again, finding a way and getting it done. And the haters extend to the other owners, their coaches and players because when they get beat, the patriots must have cheated. I've been a fan since the early 70s and lived through many a blackout Sunday and 1-13 or 2-12 seasons. Every Yankee victory since aroid and petite and their ilk should be tossed and they should be considered cheaters forever now? And the Atlanta Falcons and the other team for communicating the signals to the sidelines? Sorry, I don't care about that shit cuz at the end of the day, you have to perform on the field. Haters gonna hate and I'm going to enjoy watching the Patriots win the Super Bowl and when it happens, what's the excuse going to be?

The Juggler

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

I don't think it has to do with that at all, though I don't like either of those teams.

I'd view it the same way you look at someone who likes the late 90's Yankees but didn't like them before that.

hmmm. interesting take. I know hawks is always irrationally angry at me for the rivalry reason which is laughable to me. there is zero rivalry between the two teams. none.

i disagree with you because the yankees and lakers and cowboys etc are bandwagon teams that people gravitate to because it's popular to be fans of those teams. I think the pats are kind of anti those teams. just look at all the vitriol people have towards them in here. and it's not like I have a brady jersey or have my car littered with pats bumper stickers. i'm a birds fan first and foremost, obviously.

I just respect their greatness and ability to win year in, year out, while constantly changing their lineups and schemes on an almost weekly basis, especially in salary cap era. as a fan of the sport, they are fascinating to watch. they're an organization I want the eagles to be at some point down the road........well that, and they are the team I have easily made the most money on gambling over the years--including sunday. that was easy money.

when did i ever say it was a rivalry? I just don't get any Eagles fan liking the Pats of hoping they win. Bottom line is there is a chance they cheated us out a Super Bowl and their owner, coach and QB are 3 extremely unlikable human beings. As Cliffy said from a guy who started a fraud fan thread and loves to call people out for their fandom I have to call Fraud on you and the Pats. sorry i don't get it.

the sad part about the Pats, Bellichek and Tom Brady is with Tom Brady at QB they probably don't need to do the underhanded things they do to consistently win yet they still do it. They would probably win just as much if they weren't cheaters but some people are just bad humn beings. I respect Tom Brady as a QB. Maybe the best ever but I've lost all respect for Bellichek and Brady as human beings and as sportsmen. I don't understand anyone outside of Pats fans wanting them to win.

out for blood, I tell ya! the american people deserve justice for deflategate!
haha

sorry i don't conform to your philadelphia sports fan stereotype. i'm just a rational person who thinks the stuff they were caught doing was pretty negligible, on par with what the phils were caught doing a few years ago. and in no way shape or form do I blame that for the eagles losing the super bowl. i'm more upset about those championship games they were actually favored in that they choked away. the pats were just the better team in '04. at some point, you will have to accept that. it's been 11 years already. time to move on, cataldi.

and, sorry fella, just because you think someone is unlikeable, doesn't mean other people are obligated to agree with you on that. talk about being irrational. haha.

g under p

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

I don't think it has to do with that at all, though I don't like either of those teams.

I'd view it the same way you look at someone who likes the late 90's Yankees but didn't like them before that.

hmmm. interesting take. I know hawks is always irrationally angry at me for the rivalry reason which is laughable to me. there is zero rivalry between the two teams. none.

i disagree with you because the yankees and lakers and cowboys etc are bandwagon teams that people gravitate to because it's popular to be fans of those teams. I think the pats are kind of anti those teams. just look at all the vitriol people have towards them in here. and it's not like I have a brady jersey or have my car littered with pats bumper stickers. i'm a birds fan first and foremost, obviously.

I just respect their greatness and ability to win year in, year out, while constantly changing their lineups and schemes on an almost weekly basis, especially in salary cap era. as a fan of the sport, they are fascinating to watch. they're an organization I want the eagles to be at some point down the road........well that, and they are the team I have easily made the most money on gambling over the years--including sunday. that was easy money.

when did i ever say it was a rivalry? I just don't get any Eagles fan liking the Pats of hoping they win. Bottom line is there is a chance they cheated us out a Super Bowl and their owner, coach and QB are 3 extremely unlikable human beings. As Cliffy said from a guy who started a fraud fan thread and loves to call people out for their fandom I have to call Fraud on you and the Pats. sorry i don't get it.

the sad part about the Pats, Bellichek and Tom Brady is with Tom Brady at QB they probably don't need to do the underhanded things they do to consistently win yet they still do it. They would probably win just as much if they weren't cheaters but some people are just bad humn beings. I respect Tom Brady as a QB. Maybe the best ever but I've lost all respect for Bellichek and Brady as human beings and as sportsmen. I don't understand anyone outside of Pats fans wanting them to win.

Well, even though it maybe difficult for you to understand, the fact is they are fans out there that are NOT Patriot fans that WILL root for them. I know a few on the RUSH board, it is what it is. As long as your team comes first and that there's no rivalry I don't see what is fraudulent whatsoever. Ex: I'll root for the Cowboys except Sunday past and even though I can't stand the owner JJ.

Peace

igotid88

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Every team that wins has bandwagin fans. Patriots as well.

I think it's actually more bandwagony and fashionable to hate the patriots. the last 9 months have kind of proven that, don't you think? the american people, god love them, were out for blood, and doggonnit, ol' roger goodel was hell bent on giving it to 'em!

Goodell was more the villain than Brady was. Majority of people were still saying Brady is a great qb. Or the Pats still could have won even if they didn't cheat.

The Juggler

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Every team that wins has bandwagin fans. Patriots as well.

I think it's actually more bandwagony and fashionable to hate the patriots. the last 9 months have kind of proven that, don't you think? the american people, god love them, were out for blood, and doggonnit, ol' roger goodel was hell bent on giving it to 'em!

Goodell was more the villain than Brady was. Majority of people were still saying Brady is a great qb. Or the Pats still could have won even if they didn't cheat.

well as stupid as most people are, they're not that dumb to think the pats and brady are not great. role of villain was played by all parties involved though. i'm surprised you see it differently. google: most hated team in nfl.

pjhawks

Halifax2TheMax said:

What underhanded things? Because belichek knows the rule book better than the refs? Because he's been involved in the game since he was a kid and meticulously prepares for every aspect of the game? Because he just might be the most brilliant coach to ever play in the game? I'm not on here touting their wins or saying how great they are or bitching that they lost. It's the sour grapers who can't stand the fact that they win time and time again, finding a way and getting it done. And the haters extend to the other owners, their coaches and players because when they get beat, the patriots must have cheated. I've been a fan since the early 70s and lived through many a blackout Sunday and 1-13 or 2-12 seasons. Every Yankee victory since aroid and petite and their ilk should be tossed and they should be considered cheaters forever now? And the Atlanta Falcons and the other team for communicating the signals to the sidelines? Sorry, I don't care about that shit cuz at the end of the day, you have to perform on the field. Haters gonna hate and I'm going to enjoy watching the Patriots win the Super Bowl and when it happens, what's the excuse going to be?

what part of the rule book allows you to send a team employee into the others teams locker room to steal the other teams play charts before games? come on dude you're grasping here.

ARod is hated because he is a cheater and an unlikable human being so bad example.

as i said on the previous page, the saddest part is the Pats don't have to cheat to win yet they still feel the need to be underhanded. i have no respect for that. line up play the game and win and i'll pat you on the back. cheat and be underhanded good for you and your fans for winning but doesn't mean i have to give any respect to you for said win.

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

It would be too ironic to see Goodell hand Brady or Kraft that 50th Lombardy Trophy. Then watch Brady stare Goodell off the stage....that would be too funny. I hope that scenario can come to pass.

Peace

that would be awesome

from an Eagles fan. and you think that would be awesome. wow what a fraud.

if the eagles don't win it, i'd love to see the pats win it just to piss people like you off.

once a cheater always a cheater!

Dude, you've been on the Pats bandwagon for a good year now, at least on here. It's at the point where it's more than just hoping them winning will piss people off. I also find it mildly ironic that you are the person who started the fraud thread to call other people out.

I've liked the patriots for years, actually.

and since the eagles and pats have no rivalry to speak of, I don't think it's fraudulent. but i'm always open to that discussion.

do you feel like you have to hate diamondbacks because of 2001? or the ravens for the 2000 sb?

I don't think it has to do with that at all, though I don't like either of those teams.

I'd view it the same way you look at someone who likes the late 90's Yankees but didn't like them before that.

hmmm. interesting take. I know hawks is always irrationally angry at me for the rivalry reason which is laughable to me. there is zero rivalry between the two teams. none.

i disagree with you because the yankees and lakers and cowboys etc are bandwagon teams that people gravitate to because it's popular to be fans of those teams. I think the pats are kind of anti those teams. just look at all the vitriol people have towards them in here. and it's not like I have a brady jersey or have my car littered with pats bumper stickers. i'm a birds fan first and foremost, obviously.

I just respect their greatness and ability to win year in, year out, while constantly changing their lineups and schemes on an almost weekly basis, especially in salary cap era. as a fan of the sport, they are fascinating to watch. they're an organization I want the eagles to be at some point down the road........well that, and they are the team I have easily made the most money on gambling over the years--including sunday. that was easy money.

when did i ever say it was a rivalry? I just don't get any Eagles fan liking the Pats of hoping they win. Bottom line is there is a chance they cheated us out a Super Bowl and their owner, coach and QB are 3 extremely unlikable human beings. As Cliffy said from a guy who started a fraud fan thread and loves to call people out for their fandom I have to call Fraud on you and the Pats. sorry i don't get it.

the sad part about the Pats, Bellichek and Tom Brady is with Tom Brady at QB they probably don't need to do the underhanded things they do to consistently win yet they still do it. They would probably win just as much if they weren't cheaters but some people are just bad humn beings. I respect Tom Brady as a QB. Maybe the best ever but I've lost all respect for Bellichek and Brady as human beings and as sportsmen. I don't understand anyone outside of Pats fans wanting them to win.

out for blood, I tell ya! the american people deserve justice for deflategate!
haha

sorry i don't conform to your philadelphia sports fan stereotype. i'm just a rational person who thinks the stuff they were caught doing was pretty negligible, on par with what the phils were caught doing a few years ago. and in no way shape or form do I blame that for the eagles losing the super bowl. i'm more upset about those championship games they were actually favored in that they choked away. the pats were just the better team in '04. at some point, you will have to accept that. it's been 11 years already. time to move on, cataldi.

and, sorry fella, just because you think someone is unlikeable, doesn't mean other people are obligated to agree with you on that. talk about being irrational. haha.

ok...but by your own definitely you are a fraud

igotid88

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Every team that wins has bandwagin fans. Patriots as well.

I think it's actually more bandwagony and fashionable to hate the patriots. the last 9 months have kind of proven that, don't you think? the american people, god love them, were out for blood, and doggonnit, ol' roger goodel was hell bent on giving it to 'em!

Goodell was more the villain than Brady was. Majority of people were still saying Brady is a great qb. Or the Pats still could have won even if they didn't cheat.

well as stupid as most people are, they're not that dumb to think the pats and brady are not great. role of villain was played by all parties involved though. i'm surprised you see it differently. google: most hated team in nfl.

They're not hated because they win. It's how they've won. And because Bellichick and Brady make it hard to root for them. Especially when Brady spikes the ball like a jerk when he scored that rushing touchdown last Sunday. But then there are people who like that. Eli on the other hand is hated for nothing.

Halifax2TheMax

pjhawks said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

What underhanded things? Because belichek knows the rule book better than the refs? Because he's been involved in the game since he was a kid and meticulously prepares for every aspect of the game? Because he just might be the most brilliant coach to ever play in the game? I'm not on here touting their wins or saying how great they are or bitching that they lost. It's the sour grapers who can't stand the fact that they win time and time again, finding a way and getting it done. And the haters extend to the other owners, their coaches and players because when they get beat, the patriots must have cheated. I've been a fan since the early 70s and lived through many a blackout Sunday and 1-13 or 2-12 seasons. Every Yankee victory since aroid and petite and their ilk should be tossed and they should be considered cheaters forever now? And the Atlanta Falcons and the other team for communicating the signals to the sidelines? Sorry, I don't care about that shit cuz at the end of the day, you have to perform on the field. Haters gonna hate and I'm going to enjoy watching the Patriots win the Super Bowl and when it happens, what's the excuse going to be?

what part of the rule book allows you to send a team employee into the others teams locker room to steal the other teams play charts before games? come on dude you're grasping here.

ARod is hated because he is a cheater and an unlikable human being so bad example.

as i said on the previous page, the saddest part is the Pats don't have to cheat to win yet they still feel the need to be underhanded. i have no respect for that. line up play the game and win and i'll pat you on the back. cheat and be underhanded good for you and your fans for winning but doesn't mean i have to give any respect to you for said win.

Guess what? The pats don't need nor are they looking for your respect. They're looking for and playing for wins. What evidence is there that team employees stole opposing teams play charts? Disgrunteled former employees? Unnamed sources? Supposition or superstition? Was that a roger goddell investigation or sour grapes sour graping? Or sports writers from opposing cities quoting unnamed sources. Get over it and move on dude.

The Juggler

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Every team that wins has bandwagin fans. Patriots as well.

I think it's actually more bandwagony and fashionable to hate the patriots. the last 9 months have kind of proven that, don't you think? the american people, god love them, were out for blood, and doggonnit, ol' roger goodel was hell bent on giving it to 'em!

Goodell was more the villain than Brady was. Majority of people were still saying Brady is a great qb. Or the Pats still could have won even if they didn't cheat.

well as stupid as most people are, they're not that dumb to think the pats and brady are not great. role of villain was played by all parties involved though. i'm surprised you see it differently. google: most hated team in nfl.

They're not hated because they win. It's how they've won. And because Bellichick and Brady make it hard to root for them. Especially when Brady spikes the ball like a jerk when he scored that rushing touchdown last Sunday. But then there are people who like that. Eli on the other hand is hated for nothing.

never said they are hated because they win.

I don't sense a lot of hate for eli at all. he gets made fun of for the dumb faces he makes and he throws a ton of picks. but in general, I think people respect the guy. I do and i'm an eagles fan. I think you are overly sensitive/protective of him..