They had this debate in AZ after the Panthers crushed the Cards. Using record as a qualifier and only after league went to 16 game schedule as part of the debate. 2 teams have gone 18-1 while winning a super bowl (84 49ers and 85 Bears). Pats don't count since they lost the big one that 18-1 year. The consesus is Panthers are 3rd. That Bears team probably goes first with the 49ers a close second. Both had all time greats on them which elevates their status. 49ers had Montana and Lott (Rice was drafted later) and Bears had Payton and the best defense ever. This Carolina team is missing those all timers to compete with the other 2.
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Both had all time greats on them which elevates their status. 49ers had Montana and Lott (Rice was drafted later) and Bears had Payton and the best defense ever. This Carolina team is missing those all timers to compete with the other 2.
To me that's what makes this Panthers team so interesting. But who knows, maybe in a few years Cam Newton will be seen as an elite all time player.
They will be the best team this year. That's all you can really say about any team. It's all about matchups. The best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl.
Alright, alright, alright!
Tom O. "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
They will be the best team this year. That's all you can really say about any team. It's all about matchups. The best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl.
They had this debate in AZ after the Panthers crushed the Cards. Using record as a qualifier and only after league went to 16 game schedule as part of the debate. 2 teams have gone 18-1 while winning a super bowl (84 49ers and 85 Bears). Pats don't count since they lost the big one that 18-1 year. The consesus is Panthers are 3rd. That Bears team probably goes first with the 49ers a close second. Both had all time greats on them which elevates their status. 49ers had Montana and Lott (Rice was drafted later) and Bears had Payton and the best defense ever. This Carolina team is missing those all timers to compete with the other 2.
Though I think you could argue for a couple of other teams that didn't go 18-1 being better all time than this year's Panthers...
Offense QB Joe Montana RB Franco Harris RB Emmitt Smith WR Jerry Rice WR Lynn Swann TE Jay Novacek OT Art Shell OT Forrest Gregg OG Gene Upshaw OG Larry Allen C Mike Webster
Defense DE Reggie White DE Charles Haley DL Joe Greene DL Randy White OLB Lawrence Taylor OLB Jack Ham ILB Jack Lambert ILB Ray Lewis CB Mel Blount CB Deion Sanders S Ronnie Lott S Jake Scott
Specialists K Adam Vinatieri PR/KR Desmond Howard P Ray Guy
They had this debate in AZ after the Panthers crushed the Cards. Using record as a qualifier and only after league went to 16 game schedule as part of the debate. 2 teams have gone 18-1 while winning a super bowl (84 49ers and 85 Bears). Pats don't count since they lost the big one that 18-1 year. The consesus is Panthers are 3rd. That Bears team probably goes first with the 49ers a close second. Both had all time greats on them which elevates their status. 49ers had Montana and Lott (Rice was drafted later) and Bears had Payton and the best defense ever. This Carolina team is missing those all timers to compete with the other 2.
Though I think you could argue for a couple of other teams that didn't go 18-1 being better all time than this year's Panthers...
All 17-2, arguable they may have played tougher competition, but history will bear that out.
2007 Pats were one of the best teams I've witnessed and only a miracle helmet catch saved humanity from the ultimate gloat ... unless you grew up in Nicaragua, where the 2007 Pats team are known as the greatest team ever.
Offense QB Joe Montana RB Franco Harris RB Emmitt Smith WR Jerry Rice WR Lynn Swann TE Jay Novacek OT Art Shell OT Forrest Gregg OG Gene Upshaw OG Larry Allen C Mike Webster
Defense DE Reggie White DE Charles Haley DL Joe Greene DL Randy White OLB Lawrence Taylor OLB Jack Ham ILB Jack Lambert ILB Ray Lewis CB Mel Blount CB Deion Sanders S Ronnie Lott S Jake Scott
Specialists K Adam Vinatieri PR/KR Desmond Howard P Ray Guy
Coach Chuck Noll
Should we throw a flag on the NFL for having 12 men on defense?
They had this debate in AZ after the Panthers crushed the Cards. Using record as a qualifier and only after league went to 16 game schedule as part of the debate. 2 teams have gone 18-1 while winning a super bowl (84 49ers and 85 Bears). Pats don't count since they lost the big one that 18-1 year. The consesus is Panthers are 3rd. That Bears team probably goes first with the 49ers a close second. Both had all time greats on them which elevates their status. 49ers had Montana and Lott (Rice was drafted later) and Bears had Payton and the best defense ever. This Carolina team is missing those all timers to compete with the other 2.
Though I think you could argue for a couple of other teams that didn't go 18-1 being better all time than this year's Panthers...
Montana has the late comeback wins that Aikmen doesn't have. I have no issue with Aikmen but also believe Montana was higher.
I also don't think you can compare these older players and teams to new teams. No free agency back then but also the league was much more brutal. Could you imagine Brady with all his bitching to the refs everytime he gets touched playing in Lawrence Taylor's and Charles Haley's era? Haley wanted to kill you on every snap. Taylor would have snapped Brady in half. If Montana played in todays game he would have been able to play until he was 40 like Manning/Brady since he wouldn't have defenders breaking his back like he did.
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The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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BOSTON 9-29-04
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And did you notice how the NFL announced before the AFC championship game that they were going to release the report/findings but as soon as the Patriots lost, the story and the release of the information, well, it just kind of went away. Yea, right, Roger Goodell and the NFL, neutral arbitrators of the truth.
Nothing like a contrived controversy for the 2 weeks leading up to the super bowl to potentially influence the outcome so you don't have to hand the trophy to the GOAT.
sounds like he is even worse shape than i would have thought. let's hope he doesn't hurt himself or worse someone else.
as for the Super Bowl - this one has no juice for me. No excitement for this game at all. I think it's going to be boring and Carolina wins fairly easily.
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Cam Newton is a clown - the NFL made sure the Panthers lost a game this year - no undefeated season - this will be Peyton Manning's last game - so you think the NFL let him not go out on top?
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Fuckus rules all
Rob
Seattle
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
78 Steelers
88 49ers
91 Redskins
03 Patriots
04 Patriots
All 17-2, arguable they may have played tougher competition, but history will bear that out.
http://deadspin.com/russell-wilson-googled-how-to-describe-a-beautiful-wom-1755727770
Offense
QB Joe Montana
RB Franco Harris
RB Emmitt Smith
WR Jerry Rice
WR Lynn Swann
TE Jay Novacek
OT Art Shell
OT Forrest Gregg
OG Gene Upshaw
OG Larry Allen
C Mike Webster
Defense
DE Reggie White
DE Charles Haley
DL Joe Greene
DL Randy White
OLB Lawrence Taylor
OLB Jack Ham
ILB Jack Lambert
ILB Ray Lewis
CB Mel Blount
CB Deion Sanders
S Ronnie Lott
S Jake Scott
Specialists
K Adam Vinatieri
PR/KR Desmond Howard
P Ray Guy
Coach
Chuck Noll
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
ESPN’s Greatest Players in Super Bowl History
10. QB Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers, Super Bowls: XXIV, XXIX
9. QB Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams/Arizona Cardinals, Super Bowls: XXXIV, XXXVI, XLIII
8. QB Eli Manning, New York Giants, Super Bowls: XLII, XLVI
7. QB Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers, Super Bowls: IX, X, XIII, XIV
6. QB John Elway, Denver Broncos, Super Bowls: XXI, XXII, XXIV, XXXII, XXXIII
5. RB Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys, Super Bowls: XXVII, XXVIII, XXX
4. WR Jerry Rice, San Francisco 49ers/Oakland Raiders, Super Bowls: XXIII, XXIV, XXIX, XXXVII
3. QB Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers, Super Bowls: XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV
2. QB Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys, Super Bowls: XXVII, XXVIII, XXX
1. QB Tom Brady, New England Patriots, Super Bowls: XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLII, XLVI, XLIX
First reaction is to put Eli higher but looking at who is in front of him I'm not sure how or where.
Would probably flip Montana and Aikman.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I also don't think you can compare these older players and teams to new teams. No free agency back then but also the league was much more brutal. Could you imagine Brady with all his bitching to the refs everytime he gets touched playing in Lawrence Taylor's and Charles Haley's era? Haley wanted to kill you on every snap. Taylor would have snapped Brady in half. If Montana played in todays game he would have been able to play until he was 40 like Manning/Brady since he wouldn't have defenders breaking his back like he did.
Fuckus rules all
Rob
Seattle
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Bradshaw
4. Rice
5. Smith
6. Aikman
7. Eli
8. Elway
And I feel like there are two better options for 9 and 10
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2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
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2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
Hey, Brady haters
Did ya hear what goodell did with all the data collected regarding air pressure of game balls during the season?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-s-missing-data-on-air-pressure-is-another-black-eye-in-deflate-gate-saga-025852568.html
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BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
It's what the NFL said it was going to do with football air pressure data collected this past season
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-testing-footballs-20150727-story.html
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Come on, man
Fuckus rules all
Rob
Seattle
Stay Classy NFL owners.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Nothing like a contrived controversy for the 2 weeks leading up to the super bowl to potentially influence the outcome so you don't have to hand the trophy to the GOAT.
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Sad stuff
as for the Super Bowl - this one has no juice for me. No excitement for this game at all. I think it's going to be boring and Carolina wins fairly easily.