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Merkin Baller

Indifference71 said:

Also, Romo was just horrible last night.  That dude never shuts up.  Sometimes you need to let the big moments breathe a little bit. 

I legit switched over the the Nickelodeon broadcast in the 3rd quarter. 

Spongebob & Patrick are a more enjoyable listen than Tony Romo. They were less annoying and I lol'ed more than a couple times. 

Johnny Abruzzo

Merkin Baller said:

Indifference71 said:

Also, Romo was just horrible last night.  That dude never shuts up.  Sometimes you need to let the big moments breathe a little bit. 

I legit switched over the the Nickelodeon broadcast in the 3rd quarter. 

Spongebob & Patrick are a more enjoyable listen than Tony Romo. They were less annoying and I lol'ed more than a couple times. 

i needed to wait for the Bud & Bud Light ads for my Super Bowl bingo that I made.

eeriepadave

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Indifference71 said:

Also, Romo was just horrible last night.  That dude never shuts up.  Sometimes you need to let the big moments breathe a little bit. 

I legit switched over the the Nickelodeon broadcast in the 3rd quarter. 

Spongebob & Patrick are a more enjoyable listen than Tony Romo. They were less annoying and I lol'ed more than a couple times. 

i needed to wait for the Bud & Bud Light ads for my Super Bowl bingo that I made.

Bring back Bud Bowl!

Glorified KC

pjhawks said:

Didn't think the Chiefs were all that good all year and didn't think they had it in them but then in playoffs beat Miami, Buffalo, Baltimore and the Forty Whiners to win it all again. Pretty damn impressive.  I really thought the Chiefs were cooked after the Mahomes INT but their defense came up big.  

AFC with two dynasties this century is pretty wild. Gotta suck to be a fan of the other teams in the AFC and have to face Brady and now Mahomes for over 20 years.  Good luck.

I didn't think they were all that good either, and I'm a fan.  Probably the most satisfying out of the three.

Glorified KC

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

CROJAM95 said:

SF players not knowing OT rules? That’s nuts

Edit to my comment, I see the ESPN article.  

And that's on Niners coaching staff.  One would hope they knew and deliberately chose to get the ball first to let their defense rest.  If not, well that's inexcusable.  It's bad that a few players didn't know, but probably doesn't change anything.  

Shanahan is great at offensive schemes....pretty bad at a lot of other stuff. 

So his teams have now lost after giving up leads of 10, 10 and 25 in the Super Bowl. I know he was just the OC in one of them but---yeesh. 

They said this about Andy Reid once upon a time...until Mahomes, he blew a 28-point and 18-point halftime lead in the playoffs.  Albeit with Alex Smith.

The Juggler

Glorified KC said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

CROJAM95 said:

SF players not knowing OT rules? That’s nuts

Edit to my comment, I see the ESPN article.  

And that's on Niners coaching staff.  One would hope they knew and deliberately chose to get the ball first to let their defense rest.  If not, well that's inexcusable.  It's bad that a few players didn't know, but probably doesn't change anything.  

Shanahan is great at offensive schemes....pretty bad at a lot of other stuff. 

So his teams have now lost after giving up leads of 10, 10 and 25 in the Super Bowl. I know he was just the OC in one of them but---yeesh. 

They said this about Andy Reid once upon a time...until Mahomes, he blew a 28-point and 18-point halftime lead in the playoffs.  Albeit with Alex Smith.

Remember that one well. Wouldn't stop passing the damn ball. ha

I miss Andrew Luck. 

Glorified KC

The Juggler said:

Glorified KC said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

CROJAM95 said:

SF players not knowing OT rules? That’s nuts

Edit to my comment, I see the ESPN article.  

And that's on Niners coaching staff.  One would hope they knew and deliberately chose to get the ball first to let their defense rest.  If not, well that's inexcusable.  It's bad that a few players didn't know, but probably doesn't change anything.  

Shanahan is great at offensive schemes....pretty bad at a lot of other stuff. 

So his teams have now lost after giving up leads of 10, 10 and 25 in the Super Bowl. I know he was just the OC in one of them but---yeesh. 

They said this about Andy Reid once upon a time...until Mahomes, he blew a 28-point and 18-point halftime lead in the playoffs.  Albeit with Alex Smith.

Remember that one well. Wouldn't stop passing the damn ball. ha

I miss Andrew Luck. 

I lost my shit in the middle of a bar in Milwaukee after the fumble at the goal line and then recovery by Luck.  I knew the game was over at that point.  Just a matter of time.

Wobbie

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

Wobbie

Johnny Abruzzo said:

The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.

Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.

Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...

I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.

And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.

I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.

Merkin Baller

Wobbie said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

Didn’t a roughing the passer call (that should have been nullified) help Mahomes on the final drive of last year’s SB? Or was it last year’s AFCCG? 

mrussel1

Wobbie said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.

Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.

Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...

I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.

And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.

I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.

I don't think there is a good argument for taking the ball first, other than if your defense is REALLY cooked.  You get an extra down that you don't have when you take it first.  Let's take the 4th and one at the Chiefs 34 or whatever.  Do they go for it if they have the ball first?  Maybe not.  But you have no choice when you get the ball second.  You know exactly what you have to do.  

Merkin Baller

Merkin Baller said:

Wobbie said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

Didn’t a roughing the passer call (that should have been nullified) help Mahomes on the final drive of last year’s SB? Or was it last year’s AFCCG? 

Now I recall… It was the AFCCG, and it was an unnecessary roughness penalty for knocking Mahomes out at the sideline in the final 20 seconds of the game and the extra 15 yards set KC up for the go ahead field goal… the penalty should have been offset by a blatant offensive hold before Mahomes left the pocket, but sometimes that’s how it goes. 

The Juggler

Wobbie said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...

yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.

Wobbie

mrussel1 said:

Wobbie said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.

Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.

Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...

I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.

And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.

I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.

I don't think there is a good argument for taking the ball first, other than if your defense is REALLY cooked.  You get an extra down that you don't have when you take it first.  Let's take the 4th and one at the Chiefs 34 or whatever.  Do they go for it if they have the ball first?  Maybe not.  But you have no choice when you get the ball second.  You know exactly what you have to do.  

I hear ya….but the “third possession” makes sense to me, too.

that said, it’s been reported the chiefs would have gone for two had both teams scored a TD….so there would have been no third possession. unlike the niners (apparently), the chiefs had considered the scenarios.

Merkin Baller

Wobbie said:

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...

yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.

Luckiest guy to ever win 7 rings. 

mrussel1

Wobbie said:

mrussel1 said:

Wobbie said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.

Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.

Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...

I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.

And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.

I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.

I don't think there is a good argument for taking the ball first, other than if your defense is REALLY cooked.  You get an extra down that you don't have when you take it first.  Let's take the 4th and one at the Chiefs 34 or whatever.  Do they go for it if they have the ball first?  Maybe not.  But you have no choice when you get the ball second.  You know exactly what you have to do.  

I hear ya….but the “third possession” makes sense to me, too.

that said, it’s been reported the chiefs would have gone for two had both teams scored a TD….so there would have been no third possession. unlike the niners (apparently), the chiefs had considered the scenarios.

Exactly.  At 50/50, you definitely go for two.  But of course if it’s a battle of FG, then the Niners have the advantage.  I’m not saying there aren’t arguments for Shannahan’s strategy, I just think they pale in comparison to kicking and playing D first.

But it’s very theoretical since the sample size for this event is now exactly one game.  And it will take years to have a real sample, well after we’re all dead.  

The Juggler

Wobbie said:

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close. 

They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes

AFC Championship appearances:
Mahomes: 6 (every year)
Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)

Super Bowls:
Mahomes: 3-1
Brady: 3-0

League MVPs:
Mahomes: 2
Brady: 0

Pro Bowls: 
Mahomes: 6
Brady: 3

Regular Season W/L:
Mahomes: 73-22 (.768)
Brady: 70-24 (.745)

And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.

TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.

You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...

yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.

Well then Mahomes is a close second then. Breath on that guy and he's complaining and....magically....a flag usually appears shortly thereafter. 

Glorified KC

I would have chosen to kickoff had I won the toss in OT, because you have a chance to end the game right away.  A defensive TD ends the game.  You have two straight possessions, one on defense and then on offense (TD + 2 pt conv) to walk it off.

mrussel1

Glorified KC said:

I would have chosen to kickoff had I won the toss in OT, because you have a chance to end the game right away.  A defensive TD ends the game.  You have two straight possessions, one on defense and then on offense (TD + 2 pt conv) to walk it off.

Not just a td but a turnover pretty much hands it to you a well, especially kicking indoors.